Typically they price the consoles the same but in different currencies. So if it cost 499 euros in europe then it's probably going to cost $499 here in the US.
I would like a newer format, but not for the prices that Sony is pushing. Blue Ray seems like a nice format because it can store 50GB of data per disc. I find that impressive. What I do not find impressive is that Sony expects the masses to buy Blue Ray players for $500+. I do not see a new format as being necessary anywhere in the near future either. I see it as only a luxury and nothing more. Many people are still just getting into the DVD technology. DVD technology still has some room to stretch, with dual layer discs being able to store 9.4GB of data, while double sided double layer discs can store darn near 20GB of data.
If the PS3 sells for $600 or more in the U.S, I could pretty much guarentee that this will be the generation where Microsoft pulls ahead to first place in the console market.
Contrary to what a lot of Sony fans are saying, Xbox 360 is gigantic among console gamers. Everyone is talking about them and how they are going to get them and what they are going to do with one. While some people will say to wait for PS3, their views will change when the PS3 launches at $599.99 and has only equivalent graphics compared to Xbox 360. Combine that with the very probable possibility that the Xbox 360 will have a price drop at the launch of the PS3, and it will begin to look pretty darn attractive even to Sony fanboys.
If the PS3 sells for $600 or more in the U.S, I could pretty much guarentee that this will be the generation where Microsoft pulls ahead to first place in the console market.
Contrary to what a lot of Sony fans are saying, Xbox 360 is gigantic among console gamers. Everyone is talking about them and how they are going to get them and what they are going to do with one. While some people will say to wait for PS3, their views will change when the PS3 launches at $599.99 and has only equivalent graphics compared to Xbox 360. Combine that with the very probable possibility that the Xbox 360 will have a price drop at the launch of the PS3, and it will begin to look pretty darn attractive even to Sony fanboys.
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dude, thats so wrong. dvd is straining at the seams. you've more than doubled the actual size. its 8.5gb for dual layer dvd, not 20gb. films like lotr have to be split over discs, other films like beauty and the beast totally suffer artifacts becauase they tried to cram seamless branching for an extra scene and special features onto a disc. there is not enough space on dvds at all.
that being said sony is not to be trusted to control a format considering their history of shenanigans with drm and such, sony is both a hardware company and a film/music company.
SONY IS THE RIAA/MPAA!!!
so i can't support bluray.
u are right on this. the xbox can be cost cut with constant new revisions much like ps2 and such were now unlike the previous expensive to make xbox1. so on ps3 launch ms will probably take another stab at them by lowering their price.
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I agree with a lot of what you said there, but High Def video for at-home movies is in demand. Most people tend to be buying high def TV's, watching shows in 1080i and marveling at how good it looks. Then turn around and watch a move in 480p (even up-converted) and ask "what is this crap". Personally I am really looking forward to 1080i/1080p moves on my home TV.
DVD came before HDTV did much of anything so for a while DVD looked way better than anything on TV. Now TV has leap frogged DVD with 1080i HDTV which looks a lot better than DVD. Next step then is for 1080p DVD's to leap ahead. Too bad 1080p TV's still cost so much $$$
Dude, he said double sided AND double layer which while rare can actually hold 17 GB (8.5 GB on each side of the disc)
The first DVD players were $500+.
Many movies are already on DL. It's not enough for HD content though
And yeah, it's a luxury now, much like all new technology. Eventually prices will drop though, and it'll go from the early adopters to the mass consumers.
How are you going to guarantee this?
Yeah, the 360 is going to pick up more market share than it had last generation, but it's not going to topple the PS3. Were you on the internet for the 360? For months prior, this forum was full of people saying it's going to bomb, prices are too high, games suck, etc... and look how well it's done. You're just reiterating the exact same thing.
The PS3 sales in Japan itself will beat the global sales the 360 will have.
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Originally posted by: AcidBath
I agree with a lot of what you said there, but High Def video for at-home movies is in demand. Most people tend to be buying high def TV's, watching shows in 1080i and marveling at how good it looks. Then turn around and watch a move in 480p (even up-converted) and ask "what is this crap". Personally I am really looking forward to 1080i/1080p moves on my home TV.
DVD came before HDTV did much of anything so for a while DVD looked way better than anything on TV. Now TV has leap frogged DVD with 1080i HDTV which looks a lot better than DVD. Next step then is for 1080p DVD's to leap ahead. Too bad 1080p TV's still cost so much $$$
Dude, he said double sided AND double layer which while rare can actually hold 17 GB (8.5 GB on each side of the disc)
well he was still wrong then. and even then, a flipper is basically unviable. how many double sided double layered discs do you see today? its near the end of the formats life and they still don't use it for good reason. its probably cheaper just to make two double layer discs, and more convenient for users who don't have to worry about a disc that can be scrtached on both sides. i've personally never seen one. most i've seen is a single layer + dual layer. but never double sided double layer. a flipper disc is no more a solution than spreading a movie over 4 single layer discs
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I don't think the Sony pads will be $40-50. No way $50. They are about £35 when I saw a few months ago.
If a person isn't willing to pay for it they don't want it enough
.I don't buy many games but the games I do buy I really like and price isn't such a factor. I'll just save for longer for stuff I want.
You get a years warrenty on stuff in England. 90days is BS...
It will come down in prices later. It isn't about the graphics. As long as I can play GT5 online and Tekken I will be happy :thumbsup:. If MS get those games then I'll buy a Xbox360 again. I had one then I got bored (games on it weren't interesting me) so I sold it.
Koing
Originally posted by: Koing
I don't think the Sony pads will be $40-50. No way $50. They are about £35 when I saw a few months ago.
If a person isn't willing to pay for it they don't want it enough
I don't buy many games but the games I do buy I really like and price isn't such a factor. I'll just save for longer for stuff I want.
You get a years warrenty on stuff in England. 90days is BS...
It will come down in prices later. It isn't about the graphics. As long as I can play GT5 online and Tekken I will be happy :thumbsup:. If MS get those games then I'll buy a Xbox360 again. I had one then I got bored (games on it weren't interesting me) so I sold it.
Koing
Regardless of the price, I'm going to be buying it eventually also. Square-Enix pretty much has me buying any console they produce RPGs for.
Every thread I read about these things makes me even happier that I don't dabble in consoles and pretty much never will. With a computer, you don't have to worry about format wars. Just wait until one settles, and then buy a new drive for it, no need for a whole new system. Same goes for graphics and everything else. Just simpler, non-proprietary, and component-driven, allowing technologies to be worked with and bought individually.
Of course you all already knew all this. Maybe I'll buy a console one day if I simply can't resist the games for them compared to my PC selection, but so far that hasn't happened.
Of course you all already knew all this. Maybe I'll buy a console one day if I simply can't resist the games for them compared to my PC selection, but so far that hasn't happened.
Originally posted by: Looney
The first DVD players were $500+.
True, but the difference between DVD and VHS is far more substantial than Blueray and regular DVD.
Many movies are already on DL. It's not enough for HD content though
And yeah, it's a luxury now, much like all new technology. Eventually prices will drop though, and it'll go from the early adopters to the mass consumers.
How are you going to guarantee this?
I can pretty much guarentee it because most people find $300 for a console to be very rediculous, let alone $600. By the time the Xbox 360 is $149, the PS3 will still likely be $300 or more. Microsoft has more cash to throw around, so don't think that they won't be aggressive in the pricing department.
Yeah, the 360 is going to pick up more market share than it had last generation, but it's not going to topple the PS3. Were you on the internet for the 360? For months prior, this forum was full of people saying it's going to bomb, prices are too high, games suck, etc... and look how well it's done. You're just reiterating the exact same thing.
The PS3 sales in Japan itself will beat the global sales the 360 will have.
I highly doubt that. I never thought the Xbox 360 was going to flop. Yes, it was more expensive than most consoles before it, but it is all part of Microsoft's plan. If you want true next gen gaming, you have to fork over the cash, or wait a year for the competitors to play catch up. Then once the PS3 comes out, MS could drop the price on Xbox 360.
The Xbox 360 has every advantage over the PS3 that the PS2 had over the Xbox with a few twists. Xbox 360 comes out almost a year before the PS3, it is cheaper, and was popular before it was even released. The key difference, is that the Xbox 360 is on even ground, if not higher, when compared to the PS3 hardware wise.(This is contrary to the fact that the Xbox had more than twice the power of the PS2, and that didn't stop the ps2) Every day Microsoft is gaining market share and that will continue to rise.
Microsoft also has an army of developers making games for the 360, rather than just a few last time with the Xbox. Microsoft also has quite a respectable number of high quality Japanese companies that are onboard. With games like Oblivion out now, and Gears of War and UT2007 comming out in the near future, things are looking better and better for the 360.
Also, the Xbox 360 is small enough to fit in Japanese homes whereas the Xbox was not.
Originally posted by: dguy6789
I highly doubt that. I never thought the Xbox 360 was going to flop. Yes, it was more expensive than most consoles before it, but it is all part of Microsoft's plan. If you want true next gen gaming, you have to fork over the cash, or wait a year for the competitors to play catch up. Then once the PS3 comes out, MS could drop the price on Xbox 360.
The Xbox 360 has every advantage over the PS3 that the PS2 had over the Xbox with a few twists. Xbox 360 comes out almost a year before the PS3, it is cheaper, and was popular before it was even released. The key difference, is that the Xbox 360 is on even ground, if not higher, when compared to the PS3 hardware wise.(This is contrary to the fact that the Xbox had more than twice the power of the PS2, and that didn't stop the ps2) Every day Microsoft is gaining market share and that will continue to rise.
Microsoft also has an army of developers making games for the 360, rather than just a few last time with the Xbox. Microsoft also has quite a respectable number of high quality Japanese companies that are onboard. With games like Oblivion out now, and Gears of War and UT2007 comming out in the near future, things are looking better and better for the 360.
Also, the Xbox 360 is small enough to fit in Japanese homes whereas the Xbox was not.
Although Microsoft has increased the number of Japanese developers, they are lagging far behind the support PS3 is getting.
Notice those games you mention do not appeal much to Japanese gamers?
The battle of game system is lost/won in Japan. There is a ripple effect. Popularity--->developers---->good games---->systems selling like hot cakes, and cycles again. If Microsft has learned anything from Xbox, they need to be very aggressive in Japan.
sounds like a great price.
keep in mind, consoles are always more expensive at eurpoe.
my guess is $500-$600 here.
that should scare off poor gamers so i can get my hands on my system.
keep in mind, consoles are always more expensive at eurpoe.
my guess is $500-$600 here.
that should scare off poor gamers so i can get my hands on my system.
Originally posted by: Dacalo
Originally posted by: dguy6789
I highly doubt that. I never thought the Xbox 360 was going to flop. Yes, it was more expensive than most consoles before it, but it is all part of Microsoft's plan. If you want true next gen gaming, you have to fork over the cash, or wait a year for the competitors to play catch up. Then once the PS3 comes out, MS could drop the price on Xbox 360.
The Xbox 360 has every advantage over the PS3 that the PS2 had over the Xbox with a few twists. Xbox 360 comes out almost a year before the PS3, it is cheaper, and was popular before it was even released. The key difference, is that the Xbox 360 is on even ground, if not higher, when compared to the PS3 hardware wise.(This is contrary to the fact that the Xbox had more than twice the power of the PS2, and that didn't stop the ps2) Every day Microsoft is gaining market share and that will continue to rise.
Microsoft also has an army of developers making games for the 360, rather than just a few last time with the Xbox. Microsoft also has quite a respectable number of high quality Japanese companies that are onboard. With games like Oblivion out now, and Gears of War and UT2007 comming out in the near future, things are looking better and better for the 360.
Also, the Xbox 360 is small enough to fit in Japanese homes whereas the Xbox was not.
Although Microsoft has increased the number of Japanese developers, they are lagging far behind the support PS3 is getting.
Notice those games you mention do not appeal much to Japanese gamers?
The battle of game system is lost/won in Japan. There is a ripple effect. Popularity--->developers---->good games---->systems selling like hot cakes, and cycles again. If Microsft has learned anything from Xbox, they need to be very aggressive in Japan.
Microsoft Japan Press Conference Tonight
Another pitch for Japan, this evening. Although, I don't really think Japan is the end all be all of the gaming world, a serious market no doubt however.
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