PS3 to cost $613 to $736

[Fingolfin269]

Who cares if it has a Blu-Ray player? I don't buy consoles to play my movies, especially based on some new format that I don't even own any discs for. UMD anyone?

The price does not surprise me based on what is supposed to come with the box. I just think Sony has screwed the pooch on this one and put way too much stuff in the system. This will drive a lot more people towards Xbox and Revolution. After all, you will be able to buy both of those combined for less than what the PS3 costs.

The majority of consumers will NOT care about Blu-Ray so I cannot understand why Sony is jacking up the price by forcing its inclusion.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Who cares if it has a Blu-Ray player? I don't buy consoles to play my movies, especially based on some new format that I don't even own any discs for. UMD anyone?

There is no basis for comparing HD quality DVDs to a compressed lossy version of movies.

 

[EKKC]

in for 10 and sell them for 5x on ebay!

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Who cares if it has a Blu-Ray player? I don't buy consoles to play my movies, especially based on some new format that I don't even own any discs for. UMD anyone?

That's because you're still thinking 20th century. Microsoft and Sonly thinks that in the near future, we're going to have one box in our living room that does everything... watch movies, play games, chat over VoiP, videocalls, internet use, etc etc. This generation won't have all that, but this is their first move.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Who cares if it has a Blu-Ray player? I don't buy consoles to play my movies, especially based on some new format that I don't even own any discs for. UMD anyone?

There is no basis for comparing HD quality DVDs to a compressed lossy version of movies.

The point is that its a new format and I doubt a lot of people will buy in to it. There are so many people out there still converting their VHS collections over to DVD. If you throw another format at them this soon I doubt it's going to stick. I'm certain that it will be fairly niche and it won't be until the NEXT format that we have a winner. We'll see though.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Who cares if it has a Blu-Ray player? I don't buy consoles to play my movies, especially based on some new format that I don't even own any discs for. UMD anyone?

That's because you're still thinking 20th century. Microsoft and Sonly thinks that in the near future, we're going to have one box in our living room that does everything... watch movies, play games, chat over VoiP, videocalls, internet use, etc etc. This generation won't have all that, but this is their first move.

This is the same speech they gave us where I worked prior to the PS2 launch. So much for that idea.

I understand what they hope for and, believe me, I'd love to have ONE box do everything. Give me a box that works as a gaming system, TiVO, cable box, and my home theater receiver and I'll gladly find a home for it in my house.

I would much rather have a HDMI capable DVD player in the 360/PS3 than some new format that I have to go out and purchase all new media for if I choose to go that direction.

 

[Shawn]

LOL, I really hope that blu-ray fails.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: FallenHero
maybe thats what it costs to make it per playstation...i highly doubt they would try to sell it at that price if they want to compete with the 360

Estimates are the system is going to cost anywhere between 800-900 bucks to manufacture.

i really hope you dont believe that it costs them that much to make one

Why wouldn't it? The 360 costs somewhere in the neighborhood of $500-600 to manufacture.

show me the report from MS on the cost

You're not going to see an official statement from MS, it would be bad business to everybody how much you're losing on every item you sell. But you can bet that they are losing money on each console, they weren't shy about stating how much they were willing to invest (ie lose) into the console market to get their foot in. In the end, i believe the Xbox cost them like $6 billion in losses or something. But now they have a brand name to hopefully cash in on.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Who cares if it has a Blu-Ray player? I don't buy consoles to play my movies, especially based on some new format that I don't even own any discs for. UMD anyone?

There is no basis for comparing HD quality DVDs to a compressed lossy version of movies.

The point is that its a new format and I doubt a lot of people will buy in to it. There are so many people out there still converting their VHS collections over to DVD. If you throw another format at them this soon I doubt it's going to stick. I'm certain that it will be fairly niche and it won't be until the NEXT format that we have a winner. We'll see though.

On this I agree. But Sony is only helping their cause with Blu-Ray by pushing it in the PS2. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are really only considered interim formats. I doubt they last more than 6-8 years each in the mainstream. But the PS2 helped establish the DVD market, and Sony is hoping the PS3 will help establish the Blu-Ray market. Also, with this HUGE push towards HD quality on TV, you may have a lot of people falling for the gimmick and purchasing either formats.

 

[ZoomStop]

I just hope Sony did their research to make sure they can price the system this high in the US.
Most people I discuss electronics with (and that is just about everyone) it seems there are averages for what most people feel is a normal cost of an item.
They expect to pay as little as $25 but no more than $150 for a DVD player. They expect their most expensive home theater component to be their TV.
For game systems they may have bought an XBox or PS2 but they paid $150 - $200 for it. Most have not even thought of an Xbox because $300 - $400 is too much for a game system for them.
When the news of the PS3 pricing becomes more widespread I would bet money that virtually all will balk at the price. Sure the graphics are pretty, but if it costs almost twice as much as a 360 are the graphics twice as pretty?
And who wants to bet that Microsoft will do a price drop on the 360 when the PS3 launches?
IMHO they need to price it at $499 at the MOST and pray to god Blu-Ray catches on like wildfire.

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Koing
This isn't that pricey for graduates who have avg paying jobs. Sure it will be pricey for sub 18-16yr with NO JOBS.

If you look around the office, notice the flashy phones people have?! They aren't cheap either.

It won't be e (euro) to $ conversion. It will be almost certainly the same e figure but in $ instead.

You guys have cheaper consoles then UK £ guys. This has almost been the case since they started to release consoles.

Koing

Isn't that pricey for graduates that have average paying jobs? It sure as hell is. $600-$700 is a big purchase for most people that make less than 6 figures a year.

Throw in another $100 for the HD, $60 a pop for games, and $40-$50 a pop for an extra controller, and the system you're looking at is going to cost anywhere from $870-$970 + tax for 2 games, the HD, and extra controller.

wtf @ $40-50 a controller...

I paid £65 ~ $105! for MKII on the SNES

A graduate making $40-50k CAN quite eaisly afford $700 imo. It depends what he spends his dam money on. If he has a big car payment well that isn't the wisests of choices but he picked that. Does the dude not save anymore?

Going out, now that costs quite a bit of £££ in and around a city. A few bars, a few rounds, dinner etc.

Koing

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: theGlove
Sega needs to bring back the dreamcast!!!!

/hugs his Dreamcast and massive game library

From my cold, dead hands, I say!

- M4H

Would you buy a nintendo Revolution if they were to incorperate dreamcast games??? Man that would be awesome!

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: Lonyo
500e would be like $500 or less.

iirc the euro is worth more than the dollar, so this is wrong.

you can't just convert from one to the next, when it comes to product pricing.

example:

the BMW M5 cost 60,000 british pounds = ~~ $150k USD

the BMW M5 actually costs $82,000 USD to buy in the states

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Koing

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Koing
This isn't that pricey for graduates who have avg paying jobs. Sure it will be pricey for sub 18-16yr with NO JOBS.

If you look around the office, notice the flashy phones people have?! They aren't cheap either.

It won't be e (euro) to $ conversion. It will be almost certainly the same e figure but in $ instead.

You guys have cheaper consoles then UK £ guys. This has almost been the case since they started to release consoles.

Koing

Isn't that pricey for graduates that have average paying jobs? It sure as hell is. $600-$700 is a big purchase for most people that make less than 6 figures a year.

Throw in another $100 for the HD, $60 a pop for games, and $40-$50 a pop for an extra controller, and the system you're looking at is going to cost anywhere from $870-$970 + tax for 2 games, the HD, and extra controller.

wtf @ $40-50 a controller...

I paid £65 ~ $105! for MKII on the SNES

A graduate making $40-50k CAN quite eaisly afford $700 imo. It depends what he spends his dam money on. If he has a big car payment well that isn't the wisests of choices but he picked that. Does the dude not save anymore?

Going out, now that costs quite a bit of £££ in and around a city. A few bars, a few rounds, dinner etc.

Koing

Why are you wtf'ing 40-50 bucks for a controller? Thats how much they cost right now for Xbox 360 (wireless versions). + $20 for the play and charge kits.

Someone making $40-$50k can afford it, but they won't be WILLING to pay it.

That's the whole problem.

 

[imported_Goo]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Eh, I don't know but if it does I seriously doubt I'll be picking one up at launch.

People said that about the 360 too, and looks how well that's sold. And the Playstation is far more popular than the Xbox. I think people will buy it... consoles gaming has moved from a toy for kids to something for adults. The kids will just buy the Revolution, and the adults will buy the 360 and PS.
And i'm sure you're going to get a lot of first time console buyers who will simply buy it to see what their HDTVs can do... both with the Bluray and for the games. People were already expecting Bluray machines to cost $1k.

I am 32yrs old and I play mario kart alot more than GT3/4. Your point is?

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Goo

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Eh, I don't know but if it does I seriously doubt I'll be picking one up at launch.

People said that about the 360 too, and looks how well that's sold. And the Playstation is far more popular than the Xbox. I think people will buy it... consoles gaming has moved from a toy for kids to something for adults. The kids will just buy the Revolution, and the adults will buy the 360 and PS.
And i'm sure you're going to get a lot of first time console buyers who will simply buy it to see what their HDTVs can do... both with the Bluray and for the games. People were already expecting Bluray machines to cost $1k.

I am 32yrs old and I play mario kart alot more than GT3/4. Your point is?

Isn't it obvious? That you've got the mental age of a 10 year old.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Who cares if it has a Blu-Ray player? I don't buy consoles to play my movies, especially based on some new format that I don't even own any discs for. UMD anyone?

That's because you're still thinking 20th century. Microsoft and Sonly thinks that in the near future, we're going to have one box in our living room that does everything... watch movies, play games, chat over VoiP, videocalls, internet use, etc etc. This generation won't have all that, but this is their first move.

This is the same speech they gave us where I worked prior to the PS2 launch. So much for that idea.

I understand what they hope for and, believe me, I'd love to have ONE box do everything. Give me a box that works as a gaming system, TiVO, cable box, and my home theater receiver and I'll gladly find a home for it in my house.

Well, this is what they're going with. I never heard of that prior to the PS2 or Xbox release, but you must have access to the industry i don't. But if you've followed the 360 or PS3 at all, they've mentioned this is the future they're going with. I'm not saying they're going to be successful this generation, but that's their purpose... which answers your question.

I would much rather have a HDMI capable DVD player in the 360/PS3 than some new format that I have to go out and purchase all new media for if I choose to go that direction.

Why? Because HDMI will improve your DVD performance?

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Goo

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Eh, I don't know but if it does I seriously doubt I'll be picking one up at launch.

People said that about the 360 too, and looks how well that's sold. And the Playstation is far more popular than the Xbox. I think people will buy it... consoles gaming has moved from a toy for kids to something for adults. The kids will just buy the Revolution, and the adults will buy the 360 and PS.
And i'm sure you're going to get a lot of first time console buyers who will simply buy it to see what their HDTVs can do... both with the Bluray and for the games. People were already expecting Bluray machines to cost $1k.

I am 32yrs old and I play mario kart alot more than GT3/4. Your point is?

Isn't it obvious? That you've got the mental age of a 10 year old.

Dumbest thing I've read on the forums so far today. Don't worry, I'm sure I'll find something worse.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Goo

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Eh, I don't know but if it does I seriously doubt I'll be picking one up at launch.

People said that about the 360 too, and looks how well that's sold. And the Playstation is far more popular than the Xbox. I think people will buy it... consoles gaming has moved from a toy for kids to something for adults. The kids will just buy the Revolution, and the adults will buy the 360 and PS.
And i'm sure you're going to get a lot of first time console buyers who will simply buy it to see what their HDTVs can do... both with the Bluray and for the games. People were already expecting Bluray machines to cost $1k.

I am 32yrs old and I play mario kart alot more than GT3/4. Your point is?

Isn't it obvious? That you've got the mental age of a 10 year old.

Dumbest thing I've read on the forums so far today. Don't worry, I'm sure I'll find something worse.

LOLOL some of you guys are so sensitive... are you sure you should be on the internet? It was obviously a generalization of the type of markets each of them are going for. Ok, i guess i'll revised my statement for you ladies.

The PS3 will be mostly purchased by adults and wealthy or spoiled kids. And the Revolution will be mainly targetted at kids and adults who likes kids games.

Happy now?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: FallenHero
maybe thats what it costs to make it per playstation...i highly doubt they would try to sell it at that price if they want to compete with the 360

you wouldn't say 499 to 599 if you were talking about how much it will cost to produce. things ending in 99 tend to be retail pricing

 

[0roo0roo]

replacement cost when it breaks..not gonna be fun. wonder if they'll have more than a 1yr warrantee...let alone 90 days.

 

[fLum0x]

i am not sure if i want to invest

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: AcidBath

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Revolution++

IBM's "Broadway" CPU is clocked at 729MHz, according to updated Nintendo documentation.

CPU Specs:
NES: 1.79MHz
SNES: 3.58Mhz
N64: 93.75MHz
GameCube: 485MHz

I wouldn't put too much into how fast the CPU is. Keep an eye on what ATI does with the GPU.

The difference is that those were all in the range for the generation they were in. This is wayyyy out of the range. Now I know, not all rests in MHz, but I think in this case its safe to say it is low...

Because we all know that the more MEGAHURTS a console has, the more fun it is.

:roll:

PPC != x86

- M4H

Sure, fun is good. I am looking at this from the uninformed consumers point of view. They are wowed with graphics. Plain and simple. We can all say that graphics don't matter, but from a sales point they do. I would love to see nintendo do well, I own all of their consoles. But I don't know if their concept will sell. That's all

 

[ThunderLew]

I am pretty sure that this has been said already, but Console have never been the same prices in Europe and the US. XBOX 360 are 40 - 80e more than in the US, so the PS3 is probably not going to be the equivilent of 499 or 599 euros. Europe will just end up paying more.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: AcidBath

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Revolution++

IBM's "Broadway" CPU is clocked at 729MHz, according to updated Nintendo documentation.

CPU Specs:
NES: 1.79MHz
SNES: 3.58Mhz
N64: 93.75MHz
GameCube: 485MHz

I wouldn't put too much into how fast the CPU is. Keep an eye on what ATI does with the GPU.

The difference is that those were all in the range for the generation they were in. This is wayyyy out of the range. Now I know, not all rests in MHz, but I think in this case its safe to say it is low...

Because we all know that the more MEGAHURTS a console has, the more fun it is.

:roll:

PPC != x86

- M4H

Sure, fun is good. I am looking at this from the uninformed consumers point of view. They are wowed with graphics. Plain and simple. We can all say that graphics don't matter, but from a sales point they do. I would love to see nintendo do well, I own all of their consoles. But I don't know if their concept will sell. That's all

its not like they can do much anyways. its standard def only. its price point will be low.. it has to be. nintendos positioned itself as a secondary console or console for wee tots. the magic number for that is 99bucks basically