Ps3 gimping continues....

[RESmonkey]

Woot! My 20GB PS3 (upgraded to 160 GB!) has perfect BC (EE chip) and linux. Early adopters FTW!

 

[magomago]

Let us get realistic. Those who wanted the PS3 for Linux/Dev Purposes most likely has one already. I hope that Ps4 comes with the same Linux support. Toss it on in the beginning, and after a while you can rmove it.

For everyone 'pimping' Linux support, do you even use it?

 

[Excelsior]

Um...how much is PS2, really? If I wanted to play those games, I'd pick one up.

 

[tatteredpotato]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Wow... so we loose flexibility and compatibility but add a feature that eliminates the need to get your lazy ass up off the couch and push a button!

Given what the PS3 is, yes, that is a fairly good trade off for most people. Integration into a proper AV setup is certainly a big selling point of the PS3 over the other systems, and adding HDMI-CEC is certainly a good move towards that end.

Is this something that's standard across all TVs these days, or is this a Sony Bravia thing only?

My thought exactly... Is it "Integration into a proper AV setup", or it is "More Proprietary Sony BS"?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Excelsior
Um...how much is PS2, really? If I wanted to play those games, I'd pick one up.

thats not the point though. its the value they claimed when they brought out the ps3. it would take the place of your ps2 which can be useful, and just a nice feature to have. then they gimped the hardware support. they at least had software emulation, but then now they've removed even that. that move is pure greed to sell more ps2s.

 

[0roo0roo]

from a eurogamer comment
http://www.eurogamer.net/artic...atibility-for-ps3-slim
"Backwards compatibility is a core value of Playstation now."
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=55108

"Having multiple SKUs just confuses the customer."
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=11209

"Rumble is last gen, and can't work with the tilting function."
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3157501

"We're not going to remove backwards compatibility."
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=74124

"We removed backwards compatibility to cut the price."
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=85648

"We removed backwards compatibility to make people buy PS3 games, NOT to lower the price."
http://kotaku.com/gaming/spin/...tton...ures-312628.php

"We removed backwards compatibility as a result of consumer feedback."
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=84824

"We removed backwards compatibility to spend the money on developing new games."
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=84831

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

from a eurogamer comment
http://www.eurogamer.net/artic...atibility-for-ps3-slim
"Backwards compatibility is a core value of Playstation now."
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=55108

"Having multiple SKUs just confuses the customer."
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=11209

"Rumble is last gen, and can't work with the tilting function."
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3157501

"We're not going to remove backwards compatibility."
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=74124

"We removed backwards compatibility to cut the price."
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=85648

"We removed backwards compatibility to make people buy PS3 games, NOT to lower the price."
http://kotaku.com/gaming/spin/...tton...ures-312628.php

"We removed backwards compatibility as a result of consumer feedback."
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=84824

"We removed backwards compatibility to spend the money on developing new games."
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=84831

:laugh:

Removing Linux is no big deal IMO... how many people really used that? I installed it and never really used it... sucks that I lost 10 GB of my hard drive, I guess some day I'll reformat it and get that back. I'm not sure what they saved by not supporting Linux anymore though.

I don't know why BC is still a big deal. It's been gone for a long time now. It's also a feature that I think only a small subset of users desire. It costs money to put it in. Even if it's only $20 per console, that may be $200 per customer who actually wants it.

 

[Ackmed]

Most of your quotes (the few I checked) arent even real quotes.

Guess what, things change. Farve did want to play afterall. Imo, most people complaining about this, dont even have a PS3 and/or play PS2 games on it.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Excelsior
Um...how much is PS2, really? If I wanted to play those games, I'd pick one up.

thats not the point though. its the value they claimed when they brought out the ps3. it would take the place of your ps2 which can be useful, and just a nice feature to have. then they gimped the hardware support. they at least had software emulation, but then now they've removed even that. that move is pure greed to sell more ps2s.

Well, just like MS's $100 wireless adapter for the 360 being pure greed. Every company does it to some degree I suppose.

 

[abhinit90]

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Wow... so we loose flexibility and compatibility but add a feature that eliminates the need to get your lazy ass up off the couch and push a button!

Given what the PS3 is, yes, that is a fairly good trade off for most people. Integration into a proper AV setup is certainly a big selling point of the PS3 over the other systems, and adding HDMI-CEC is certainly a good move towards that end.

Is this something that's standard across all TVs these days, or is this a Sony Bravia thing only?

My thought exactly... Is it "Integration into a proper AV setup", or it is "More Proprietary Sony BS"?

only for bravia AFAIK...

 

[erwos]

Originally posted by: abhinit90

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Wow... so we loose flexibility and compatibility but add a feature that eliminates the need to get your lazy ass up off the couch and push a button!

Given what the PS3 is, yes, that is a fairly good trade off for most people. Integration into a proper AV setup is certainly a big selling point of the PS3 over the other systems, and adding HDMI-CEC is certainly a good move towards that end.

Is this something that's standard across all TVs these days, or is this a Sony Bravia thing only?

My thought exactly... Is it "Integration into a proper AV setup", or it is "More Proprietary Sony BS"?

only for bravia AFAIK...

From what I understand, not true nowadays. Bravia Sync is just Sony's name for HDMI-CEC, and HDMI-CEC is a real standard.

Back in the bad old days, when everyone had their own little HDMI-CEC implementation, you might have been correct.

 

[mugs]

OK, so all this HDMI-CEC will do is turn on the PS3 when my TV is set to the right input? How does that help me work around the lack of IR? Turning my PS3 on doesn't make it do anything, I still need to either use a controller or the Blu-Ray remote to do something - and both of those have a power button on them. What am I missing? Will HDMI-CEC let me use my TV remote to control a PS3?

 

[BenSkywalker]

Will HDMI-CEC let me use my TV remote to control a PS3?

If your TV matches support with the PS3 then yes- in essence the PS3 borrows your TV's IR port.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: RESmonkey
Woot! My 20GB PS3 (upgraded to 160 GB!) has perfect BC (EE chip) and linux. Early adopters FTW!

congrats on your $600 ps2 !! :thumbsup:

 

[purbeast0]

wow are people REALLY bitching about PS3 not being able to run Linux anymore? seriously?

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
wow are people REALLY bitching about PS3 not being able to run Linux anymore? seriously?

This is the trend here on this forum. It's funny because it's usually the people who have nothing else to care about. For most people, it'll be transparent and once brought up they'll be like, "Oh, what? Linux gone? meh. DRM? Game runs fine. *Continues playing*"

Those that are pissed about linux being removed....what exactly is it that you use linux for on your ps3? If it was the main reason you bought a PS3 and this change renders it useless then you bought the PS3 for the wrong reasons.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
wow are people REALLY bitching about PS3 not being able to run Linux anymore? seriously?

Maybe the thread title should be "PS3 griping continues..."

 

[erwos]

Originally posted by: NaOH
Those that are pissed about linux being removed....what exactly is it that you use linux for on your ps3? If it was the main reason you bought a PS3 and this change renders it useless then you bought the PS3 for the wrong reasons.

I love how some people here just define the reasons you should or shouldn't buy something using their own criteria and denigrating everyone else's, as though their opinions are the only ones that could possibly matter. You'd think it would physically hurt them to expand their horizons a bit. Maybe they're just mentally incapable? Who knows?

Anyways, it is entirely possible that some folks like having a backup computer that doesn't cost them more than 10gb of HDD space (assuming they were buying a PS3 anyways), or perhaps wanted to experiment cheaply with Cell programming. The PS2 had something of a rich history of allowing people to experiment with PS2 programming cheaply by using the Linux kit, and it was heartening to see Sony do it with the PS3.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: RESmonkey
Woot! My 20GB PS3 (upgraded to 160 GB!) has perfect BC (EE chip) and linux. Early adopters FTW!

congrats on your $600 ps2 !! :thumbsup:

I guess that would make sense if it only played PS2 games...

 

[Baked]

How many people do you know runs Linux on PS3 full time? Or even half time? :roll:

 

[sswingle]

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Wow... so we loose flexibility and compatibility but add a feature that eliminates the need to get your lazy ass up off the couch and push a button!

Given what the PS3 is, yes, that is a fairly good trade off for most people. Integration into a proper AV setup is certainly a big selling point of the PS3 over the other systems, and adding HDMI-CEC is certainly a good move towards that end.

Is this something that's standard across all TVs these days, or is this a Sony Bravia thing only?

My thought exactly... Is it "Integration into a proper AV setup", or it is "More Proprietary Sony BS"?

Linked for the lazy. Not Sony proprietary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#CEC

 

[Ackmed]

http://www.engadget.com/2009/0...s-hd-ma-audio-at-last/

Hmm, looks like adding a feature to me.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

I can't believe fanboys are griping still. There's not really much left to dis the PS3 for except maybe PSN but you get what you get for free.

 

[Trader05]

I have a 60gb BC PS3.. I installed linux just to do it, no intentional purpose, used for about 2 minutes, and never used it again. I also used my ps3 to play God of War 1 and 2, since i never had a PS2, and will probably never use that feature again. So the people that are bitching about taking these features out, buy a PS3 slim and i'll trade lol, i need more room anyway.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
http://www.engadget.com/2009/0...s-hd-ma-audio-at-last/

Hmm, looks like adding a feature to me.

Nice!