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Ps3 gimping continues....

I know it sucks for people that would use it, but I know myself and most everyone else that I know would never play a PS2 game or install linux on the PS3. I'm thinking that a majority of people don't care about either of these features, which is why Sony is removing them.
I don't have enough time to play all the new games coming out for these systems as it is.
 
I never understood the purpose of Linux on the PS3 considering they took out the most powerful feature, the GPU.
 
Originally posted by: Dari
I never understood the purpose of Linux on the PS3 considering they took out the most powerful feature, the GPU.
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I thought the most powerful feature was the Cell? 🙂

But, it's not all bad news: they added HDMI-CEC (aka, "Bravia Sync"), and that is _tremendously_ helpful to some of us.
 
Originally posted by: erwos
Originally posted by: Dari
I never understood the purpose of Linux on the PS3 considering they took out the most powerful feature, the GPU.
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I thought the most powerful feature was the Cell? 🙂

But, it's not all bad news: they added HDMI-CEC (aka, "Bravia Sync"), and that is _tremendously_ helpful to some of us.
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I don't know. I guess you're right. By the way, what is so special about the HDMI-CEC feature?
 
Originally posted by: Dari
I don't know. I guess you're right. By the way, what is so special about the HDMI-CEC feature?
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So, for those of us trying to use the PS3 in a modern home theater setting, it presents a small problem - while you can manipulate the interface with a simple IR adapter, you can't DIRECTLY turn it on or off with a single IR command (there are macro work-arounds to turn it off, but you know what I mean). You're stuck buying something like the Harmony PS3 adapter if this is a problem for you.

What HDMI-CEC allows the PS3 to do is turn on and off if you switch to and from the appropriate input on your TV. This almost completely works around the IR limitation, since it's somewhat rare that people want to have their PS3 on when they're NOT on the appropriate input. It's not the ideal solution, which would be built-in full-function IR support, but it's a pretty good compromise.
 
Backwards compatibility was already gone, so its a bit of a stretch to say the gimping continues on that point. As for linux, I don't know anyone to have done that.
 
Originally posted by: erwos
Originally posted by: Dari
I don't know. I guess you're right. By the way, what is so special about the HDMI-CEC feature?
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So, for those of us trying to use the PS3 in a modern home theater setting, it presents a small problem - while you can manipulate the interface with a simple IR adapter, you can't DIRECTLY turn it on or off with a single IR command (there are macro work-arounds to turn it off, but you know what I mean). You're stuck buying something like the Harmony PS3 adapter if this is a problem for you.

What HDMI-CEC allows the PS3 to do is turn on and off if you switch to and from the appropriate input on your TV. This almost completely works around the IR limitation, since it's somewhat rare that people want to have their PS3 on when they're NOT on the appropriate input. It's not the ideal solution, which would be built-in full-function IR support, but it's a pretty good compromise.
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Wow... so we loose flexibility and compatibility but add a feature that eliminates the need to get your lazy ass up off the couch and push a button! Sounds like a fair trade.

:roll:
 
Losing Linux is a big deal. Sony gets to shut down any possibility of the growth of the homebrew community.

That and the still lack of BC makes me sort of sad... I have to scour for a 60GB version, but I wanted a new PS3 with BC...
 
I fail to see how something that was removed a while ago is all of a sudden a "gimping" exclusive to the PS3 Slim.

I also fail to see how it is a big deal that people can't install Linux on a PS3 Slim, since it will affect all of a dozen people (if that), though I will admit it is a curious removal by Sony. What was the reasoning behind removing the ability to install Linux?
 
I'm sure for people wanting a PS3 with the ability to install Linux, used PS3 phat systems will be floating around til the end of the time. Personally I've had two 60GB PS3s for awhile, and have never had any real desire to install Linux on either of them.

I always thought that option was kind of weird anyway, given that it could potentially open the door to hacking the PS3 for piracy. Sony has been pretty vigilant when it comes to stopping piracy since the PSP debacle, I applaud any effort on their part to keep that shit to a minimum personally. If that means no alternate OS install, so be it.
 
Originally posted by: Ichigo
Losing Linux is a big deal. Sony gets to shut down any possibility of the growth of the homebrew community.

That and the still lack of BC makes me sort of sad... I have to scour for a 60GB version, but I wanted a new PS3 with BC...
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Especially since Sony did sell a lot of PS3s to labs. Many researchers were using networked PS3s to run distributed computing tasks under Linux since the Cell is ideal for that sort of stuff. Sony had been bragging about that a while ago. At $399 a unit, it just made sense rather than buying purpose built systems that run in the thousands. Loss of Linux will likely mean little to the gaming community at large though.
 
Wow... so we loose flexibility and compatibility but add a feature that eliminates the need to get your lazy ass up off the couch and push a button!
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Given what the PS3 is, yes, that is a fairly good trade off for most people. Integration into a proper AV setup is certainly a big selling point of the PS3 over the other systems, and adding HDMI-CEC is certainly a good move towards that end.
 
Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Wow... so we loose flexibility and compatibility but add a feature that eliminates the need to get your lazy ass up off the couch and push a button!
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Given what the PS3 is, yes, that is a fairly good trade off for most people. Integration into a proper AV setup is certainly a big selling point of the PS3 over the other systems, and adding HDMI-CEC is certainly a good move towards that end.
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Is this something that's standard across all TVs these days, or is this a Sony Bravia thing only?
 
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: erwos
What HDMI-CEC allows the PS3 to do is turn on and off if you switch to and from the appropriate input on your TV. This almost completely works around the IR limitation, since it's somewhat rare that people want to have their PS3 on when they're NOT on the appropriate input. It's not the ideal solution, which would be built-in full-function IR support, but it's a pretty good compromise.
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Wow... so we loose flexibility and compatibility but add a feature that eliminates the need to get your lazy ass up off the couch and push a button! Sounds like a fair trade.

:roll:
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Actually, not even that, you just don't have to press as many buttons, since you can turn the PS3 on and off with a controller 😛
 
Meh, back when I first got my PS3 (early 2007) I installed Linux, played around with it a little, and then said....ok, this is pointless, and never used it again.
 
i would gladly give up linux and bc for hdmi-cec (i have found it really useful in the rest of my setup), but i am too lazy/cheap to sell my ps3 and buy a new one
 
If someone is really that interested in having the Linux install option and BC, I would gladly trade one of my 60GB PS3s for a PS3 Slim when they're out. Look me up 🙂.
 
If someone is really that interested in having the Linux install option and BC, I would gladly trade one of my 60GB PS3s for a PS3 Slim when they're out. Look me up .
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Hmmm, won't be picking up a slim in the immediate future, but if you still have that offer up when I pick one up I'd take you up on it. I'd like to have BC for the PS3 in the living room, hell my boys and I still play a lot of PS1 games on that 😉
 
Originally posted by: richardycc
should I get the 80GB fatty or the 120GB slim with unknown track record, etc for the same price?
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Your question is too vague.

For me, there is no question: a 60 GB or an 80 GB with BC. Because for me, backwards compatibility is an important factor.

However, if BC isn't important to you, then I see no reason to not wait for the slim.
 
The current 80 GB DOES NOT have PS2 BC. All models have PS1 BC including the slim.

I'd get a slim: 45nm Cell and 34% lower power draw, plus 40GB of extra space.
 
all those researchers using the PS3 for clustering computing wasn't that big of a group. What, they sold a few thousands? The Army bought 50 or was it 500 PS3? Still not enough. And really, I don't know or heard of anyone who uses Linux on the PS3 for everyday home use. Like I said previously, Sony included it so they can import the PS3 as a computer which has less import taxes and fees. Non-issue to the vast majority.

The slim missing BC? well, sucks to be you for the late adopters, and a reward for the ones that picked up a PS3 early. And as a company, yeah, you have to move forward. Make more money selling current gen games from the licensing. Sony will never see any money from all those used PS2 game sales. Microsoft is trying to axe WinXP, but people are still holding dear to it. Well, this is a similar process, in that MS wants you on Vista or W7. That's still not going to stop the millions of people that have to use the current gen OS, even though they are happy using XP.
 
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