Protests in Gaza

[Jaskalas]

Ridiculous. Sentencing people to death for throwing rocks at a wall is completely unacceptable.

Oh, sorry. Fence, not wall. Apparently parts of it are just barbed wire. The people in Gaza are subjects of the terrorist group Hamas. They lit fires and delivered the flames over the fence. They used smoke as cover for groups of men with wire cutters.

JPost: Inside look: How Gaza protesters attempted to breach the border fence

NYT: 300 Meters in Gaza: Snipers, Burning Tires and a Contested Fence

 

[Jhhnn]

The Egyptians are complicit with Israel in keeping the Pals in Palestine instead of opening their borders and letting them into Egypt and they do this so that they can have peace with Isreal? So if the Egyptians let the Pals in Israel is going to start bombing Egypt? And what exactly is Israel's motivation, wouldn't fewer Pals make taking their land that much easier?

Serious questions, not trying to be a dick or anything.

The Egyptians don't want the Pals, either. They also participate in the current economic blockade, as well. Like I said- selling out the Pals was the price of Peace with Israel.

 

[Incorruptible]

The op conveniently forgets to mention the facts in order to attack Israel.

Israel has a right to exist and defend itself. The leader of Hamas called on Palestinians to cross the border into Israel and kill Israelis, how can the OP and the left support this? The protestors were warned not to cross the border and then non lethal force was used, the ones who still continued faced lethal force since they were trying to cross the border to kill. The mainstream media didn't mention this.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/245775

Jerusalem belongs to Israel but trump shouldn't have moved the embassy there especially since its going to cost US tax dollars.
trump has no idea whats actually going on, if the US moves the embassy then Israel should offer some concessions like no more settlements in the West Bank along with tearing down some existing ones.

 

[Juiblex]

On liveleak there is a video of a Palestinian walking with a flag in a peaceful manner. He was sniped in the leg. Medics came. They were shot at too. This is unacceptable.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=ksfVC_1526409981

 

[Jhhnn]

The op conveniently forgets to mention the facts in order to attack Israel.

Israel has a right to exist and defend itself. The leader of Hamas called on Palestinians to cross the border into Israel and kill Israelis, how can the OP and the left support this? The protestors were warned not to cross the border and then non lethal force was used, the ones who still continued faced lethal force since they were trying to cross the border to kill. The mainstream media didn't mention this.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/245775

Jerusalem belongs to Israel but trump shouldn't have moved the embassy there especially since its going to cost US tax dollars.
trump has no idea whats actually going on, if the US moves the embassy then Israel should offer some concessions like no more settlements in the West Bank along with tearing down some existing ones.

Of course Israel won't define their borders with the Pals. Gaza & the coveted West Bank are the same entity. Ongoing expropriation & occupation is Bibi's version of peace. There will be occasional prison riots, for sure, but they're nothing live ammunition won't take care of easily. And there will apparently be Americans willing to side with Israel no matter what they do short of gassing the Pals.

There are three generations of Pals born & raised in the world's biggest prisons.

 

[FIVR]

On liveleak there is a video of a Palestinian walking with a flag in a peaceful manner. He was sniped in the leg. Medics came. They were shot at too. This is unacceptable.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=ksfVC_1526409981

This is what palestinians deal with on a daily basis. People don't realize but 55 dead is actually a small number for Israel. During the Gaza war they killed 2000+ civilians.


It's sad to think the US is the real reason why this stuff is happening. Israel wouldn't dare act this way without approval of the US administration.

 

[rommelrommel]

The pals have made life miserable for every country that tried to take them in. Expecting much out of the regional players is unrealistic.

 

[blankslate]

Kerry may have been a windsailing Moron...

But he was right about Israel being an Apartheid state

Netanyahu is a war criminal and should be brought up in the Hague....


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[compuwiz1]

This is what palestinians deal with on a daily basis. People don't realize but 55 dead is actually a small number for Israel. During the Gaza war they killed 2000+ civilians.


It's sad to think the US is the real reason why this stuff is happening. Israel wouldn't dare act this way without approval of the US administration.

How about this?
Stay the fuck away and leave Israel alone and they wouldn't have that problem. Israel defends its border much better than we do. The whole Gaza strip is a shit hole, filled with extremists. They get what they have coming to them.

 

[FIVR]

How about this?
Stay the fuck away and leave Israel alone and they wouldn't have that problem. Israel defends its border much better than we do. The whole Gaza strip is a shit hole, filled with extremists. They get what they have coming to them.

What do you think happens to Israel when the US is no longer able to protect them from all their neighbors? Every single state except the US has condemned Israel.


Sooner or later, the palestinians will get their revenge. Israel will not last more than another 50 or so years. Probably less. Enjoy your open air prison while you have it, shill. Soon you will be the prisoners.

 

[highland145]

How about this?
Stay the fuck away and leave Israel alone and they wouldn't have that problem. Israel defends its border much better than we do. The whole Gaza strip is a shit hole, filled with extremists. They get what they have coming to them.

The 2005 disengagement worked wonders.

 

[Jaskalas]

Sooner or later, the palestinians will get their revenge.

So you admit their purpose. To kill. And yet you bemoan a country defending its border from killers.

 

[highland145]

you

Not me.

 

[thilanliyan]

So you admit their purpose. To kill. And yet you bemoan a country defending its border from killers.

Would you take what the Palestinians deal with sitting down?
I think there are issues on both sides...it's not just one side being the aggressor.

 

[interchange]

This thread is a great illustration of the impossibility of an Israel-Palestine peace agreement for the reasonable future. It may be possible to achieve movement via similar temporary agreements that have been reached in the past, but this will not stop either side from being aggressive in their stance. Both cling to history, ancient and recent, and on either side there is ample evidence to demand a level of concession that neither party is remotely willing to make. Unfortunately, Gaza is a great example of a pressure cooker that is set up to generate extremism. If the conditions for releasing some pressure are that those people embrace their wrongdoing, it will never happen.

I think the greatest hopes are for shifts in the Arab world to support integration of Western culture. This kind of progress had started in Iran, and lifting of the sanctions allowed Iranian youth access to American subcultures. One simply cannot look at the coexistence and waxing power of extremism. That is an inevitability. One that has proven time and time again cannot be taken out of existence by force or establishment of Western governmental structure. Foreign interests in the Middle East have just supported militarization. Unfortunately, America could not realistically withdraw its presence and military support. Russia and increasingly China would not abstain, and their foreign activities tend to be a bit more selfish than ours.

 

[Juiblex]

Israeli's have been pushing Palestinians from their land and walling them up in open air prisons and controlling everything they do for decades. Then Israel expects them not to be angry about it?

Have you ever heard of the narcissistic trait where someone "poke's" another until they respond in a negative manner, then the narcissist goes "See! You are so unruly! I have to do this to 'protect myself'" Sorry dears, it's cause and effect. Israeli treats Palestinians poorly. Palestinians gets upset and respond to that poor treatment. Then Israel goes and says "Look at what they did to use! They are bad terroristic people! We have no choice but to do this!!!" Sorry guys. If you want to solve the problem you need to stop treating Palestinians poorly. It's a two way street.

 

[hal2kilo]

How about this?
Stay the fuck away and leave Israel alone and they wouldn't have that problem. Israel defends its border much better than we do. The whole Gaza strip is a shit hole, filled with extremists. They get what they have coming to them.

So you agree we can cut of their aid?

 

[Jhhnn]

So you admit their purpose. To kill. And yet you bemoan a country defending its border from killers.

Can we get a little more demonization over here?

 

[zinfamous]

The pals have made life miserable for every country that tried to take them in. Expecting much out of the regional players is unrealistic.

Well, they had a country/homeland at one point. If you are going to support forced occupation by an invading force on these people "because Peace," then shouldn't such countries pony up and accept them? Or maybe, we're at the point where several decades beyond this same bullshit, you now have a generation or two of Palestinians that know nothing but the current status quo of subjugation and international support of their occupation and daily, unaccounted murder by the peace-loving Israelis.

 

[FIVR]

So you admit their purpose. To kill. And yet you bemoan a country defending its border from killers.

What would you do if you, your family, and everyone you knew had their homes and land stolen and then where kept in an open air prison for 70 years? Would you want to "make peace" with your captors, or get revenge?



Israel gave themselves this problem and they will have to deal with it. That means either:

1. Ethnically cleanse the state of Palestinians and non-jews (this is their current objective and modus operandi)

2. Integration (Impossible while radical zionists hold power)

or
3. Dissolution of the State of Israel.


Choice No. 1 is what Israel is doing now. Problem is that they have millions more to kill an cleanse before they succeed. If you think Israel can be successful killing millions while the world watches then you believe Israel will continue to exist.

I think eventually choice No 3 will be what happens, but only after Israel loses its protector in the US. That could take decades. In the meantime they will continue their ethnic cleansing and human rights abuses.

 

[Jaskalas]

I suspect someone has another on ignore. Let's bypass that and make the flow of this conversation crystal clear.

1. FIVR: Sooner or later, the palestinians will get their revenge.
2. Jaskalas: So you admit their purpose. To kill.
3. Jhhnn: Can we get a little more demonization over here?

Here is what their leader had to say:

Senior Hamas official sets the record straight on who was killed in last Hamas-orchestrated riots: "50 of the 62 martyrs were Hamas".​

Hamas, the terrorist group, orders their people to the border for violence. To assault a military position. And you carry the terrorist's water by condemning Israel's defense of that position.

What would you do if you, your family, and everyone you knew had their homes and land stolen and then where kept in an open air prison for 70 years? Would you want to "make peace" with your captors, or get revenge?

Yes, as I was saying above. You acknowledge the violence. Those who live by violence will die by violence. They have every opportunity not to start something they can't finish. What would any military in the world do when their position is under attack? Kill the assailants. They don't have to attempt to breach the border, they don't have to try to kill Israelis. You know what happens when they do.

 

[Juiblex]

Jackalas,

Watch the video at the top of the page. Was he Hamas?

https://theintercept.com/2018/03/30/israel-gaza-march-killed-protest/

 

[Jhhnn]

Jackalas,

Watch the video at the top of the page. Was he Hamas?

https://theintercept.com/2018/03/30/israel-gaza-march-killed-protest/

He'll excuse any action by the Israelis. The Hasbara trolls have done a magnificent job over the decades.

 

[highland145]

A Hamas official has claimed that 50 members of the Palestinian terror group were among those killed by Israeli fire during Monday’s mass protests at the Gaza border.

Well, that surely wasn't the plan, right?

 

[fskimospy]

The good news is that support for Israel is rapidly declining in the US, particularly among younger people. There will be a time in the not so distant future when the US will no longer shield Israel from being held to account for their actions instead of just reflexively immunizing them.

Israel in its current form is a rogue, apartheid nation. It’s long past time we stopped accepting that.