Props to the protesters

[Sheik Yerbouti]

So you claim the DNC is organizing the protest all across North america in Europe, Asia, Africa, South America, Australia and Antarctica? Damn they good.

Have any legitimate Proof to back up your claims?

you'd figure with that much collusion and organization they'd be able to win an election, so maybe this isn't exactly accurate.

 

[Commodus]

and you are a liar unless you can support such an obvious lie. Btw Trump had over 80 rallies.

This is one of the few times when I'll agree... there's no doubt that there was violence at Trump rallies, a lot of it fuelled by Trump's rhetoric, but all of them? You'd definitely have to find evidence to support that.

 

[werepossum]

You know, you may have had an argument if Trump's ban didn't single out Muslims. What other conclusion can one come to when Trump's ban specifically states that the minority religions in those 7 countries are exempt from said ban?

The conclusion that America doesn't have much problem with Christian or Jewish refugees from these nations coming over and committing terrorism.

Did Trump campaign on a Muslim ban, or not? Why are you apologizing for a fascist mad man? This is the hill you want to die on? I recommend you get on board with the rest of us trying to protect a persecuted minority. Did you see the pictures of children in handcuffs? I promise, it only gets uglier from here on out.

The Rudy Giuliani interview was about as damning as you can get.

Honestly I haven't the foggiest. These two people were well-known entities and I decided early on that neither was palatable enough to get my vote, nor bad enough to make the other asshat get my vote. Therefore I did not subject myself to either's campaign rhetoric. And therefore, I am free to examine this Executive Order on its own merits, not as an item to check off a campaign promise list for good or evil. And on its own merits, I find this to be a common sense measure and nothing near a ban on Muslims.

This is one of the few times when I'll agree... there's no doubt that there was violence at Trump rallies, a lot of it fuelled by Trump's rhetoric, but all of them? You'd definitely have to find evidence to support that.

I'd go a bit farther than that and say that violence only counts if it's instigated by Trump supporters. Committing violence against Trump supporters (or cops, or innocent buildings and automobiles) and then pointing to that violence as proof that Trump is evil is merely proof that the violent claimants are idiots.

 

[disappoint]

Yeah, look at these violent thugs

*/me boards a time machine goes back 30 years*

"In 2017 pussy hats will be all the rage!"

"Yeah right! You expect me to believe that? Sounds ridiculous!"

 

[imported_tajmahal]

*/me boards a time machine goes back 30 years*

"In 2017 pussy hats will be all the rage!"

"Yeah right! You expect me to believe that? Sounds ridiculous!"

It's going to be a very short lived fad.

 

[alien42]

and you are a liar unless you can support such an obvious lie. Btw Trump had over 80 rallies.

straight from the mouth of your horse...

https://youtu.be/WIs2L2nUL-0

again, enough of your lies, the truth will stand.

 

[disappoint]

Did Trump campaign on a Muslim ban, or not? Why are you apologizing for a fascist mad man? This is the hill you want to die on? I recommend you get on board with the rest of us trying to protect a persecuted minority. Did you see the pictures of children in handcuffs? I promise, it only gets uglier from here on out.



The Rudy Giuliani interview was about as damning as you can get.

Hey Trump! Why you singling out the religion of peace huh? Fascist madman!

 

[raildogg]

*/me boards a time machine goes back 30 years*

"In 2017 pussy hats will be all the rage!"

"Yeah right! You expect me to believe that? Sounds ridiculous!"

Every year, human beings degenerate and become further away from anything resembling truth or realness. These events are just a small example of that.

Humans as a whole are heading downhill rapidly.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

straight from the mouth of your horse...

https://youtu.be/WIs2L2nUL-0

again, enough of your lies, the truth will stand.

"If you see someone getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them"
Why would you have a problem with that ? The person throwing a tomato is the one instigating the violence. All that aside, you made the claim.

and every single Trump rally had violence from Trump supporters, what is your point?

This obviously wan't the truth, face up to it, every single Trump rally did NOT have violence from Trump supporters.

 

[raildogg]

Hey Trump! Why you singling out the religion of peace huh? Fascist madman!

Religion of peace? It's certainly not Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism.

And Rudy Giuliani is a fraud who has been taking advantage of 9/11. He is a hate spreading opportunist.

 

[Jhhnn]

Every year, human beings degenerate and become further away from anything resembling truth or realness. These events are just a small example of that.

Humans as a whole are heading downhill rapidly.

We're being led downhill. Way back in 1994 & even earlier Repubs discovered that they could win elections on the backs of riled up irrational people. Tell them they're being attacked & promise to save them from whatever boogeyman you can convince them to fear. Make it a moral crusade.

They didn't realize somebody like Trump could grab the mic & do it better than they'd imagined possible. He doesn't just inspire irrationality in his supporters but in the opposition as well. He thrives on what others perceive to be chaos, summons the demons of the dark side of the American character to the front of the crowd.

 

[Blackjack200]

Honestly I haven't the foggiest. These two people were well-known entities and I decided early on that neither was palatable enough to get my vote, nor bad enough to make the other asshat get my vote. Therefore I did not subject myself to either's campaign rhetoric. And therefore, I am free to examine this Executive Order on its own merits, not as an item to check off a campaign promise list for good or evil. And on its own merits, I find this to be a common sense measure and nothing near a ban on Muslims.

Now you're telling me that we shouldn't evaluate Trump's behavior in the context of his campaign? I don't give a shit if you paid attention to the campaign or not, it's all on the record. You're too far gone.

 

[raildogg]

We're being led downhill. Way back in 1994 & even earlier Repubs discovered that they could win elections on the backs of riled up irrational people. Tell them they're being attacked & promise to save them from whatever boogeyman you can convince them to fear. Make it a moral crusade.

They didn't realize somebody like Trump could grab the mic & do it better than they'd imagined possible. He doesn't just inspire irrationality in his supporters but in the opposition as well. He thrives on what others perceive to be chaos, summons the demons of the dark side of the American character to the front of the crowd.

This might be true but the issue is beyond Republicans and Democrats. This endless war that America is engaged in is truly dangerous to life on this planet. And now, it seems that hate has grown quite a bit. We have people saying all kinds of things against each other. We have the media, both the corporate and the alternative, trying to portray the Islamic boogeyman as something much greater than it is. The world is entering into a very dangerous stage. Men like Trump come at stages like we're in right now and make things quite a bit worse. Some call him the "Antichrist" based on everything he's said and done and might do. I'm not sure myself.

We all need to be on guard and vigilant and don't let ourselves get carried away in all this fear and hate mongering. The only terrorists we need to be watchful of are the ones in government. Only they have the power to truly destroy humanity on a grand level. This Islamic boogeyman terrorist agenda is a false agenda designed to trick the average person. Unfortunately, it seems to be working quite well for the men at the top.

 

[Jhhnn]

This might be true but the issue is beyond Republicans and Democrats. This endless war that America is engaged in is truly dangerous to life on this planet. And now, it seems that hate has grown quite a bit. We have people saying all kinds of things against each other. We have the media, both the corporate and the alternative, trying to portray the Islamic boogeyman as something much greater than it is. The world is entering into a very dangerous stage. Men like Trump come at stages like we're in right now and make things quite a bit worse. Some call him the "Antichrist" based on everything he's said and done and might do. I'm not sure myself.

We all need to be on guard and vigilant and don't let ourselves get carried away in all this fear and hate mongering. The only terrorists we need to be watchful of are the ones in government. Only they have the power to truly destroy humanity on a grand level. This Islamic boogeyman terrorist agenda is a false agenda designed to trick the average person. Unfortunately, it seems to be working quite well for the men at the top.

Please. when the media merely repeats what Trump & the Israel lobby said about Islamic terrorists it's not the same as promoting it. If anything, their stance in the current brouhaha discredits the notion of refugees as terrorists. Dems do as well.

"The men at the top" discounts the fact that they're not all the same any more than the rest of us are. Obama's words & actions discount your notion entirely.

 

[brandonbull]

Complete historical illiteracy.... why am I not surprised? The Revolutionists violently tarred and feathered their political opponents. Now that may not count as violence in your universe but in mine it is. The Boston Tea Party involved protestors violently destroying chests of tea belonging to their political opponents.

Non-violent protests in action.... note that NO INTIMIDATION is occurring....

Nice example of the protesters taking action upon a government official and not random people or property. It even says in the picture "Excise-Man" and not " A Random Man".

 

[bshole]

Nice example of the protesters taking action upon a government official and not random people or property. It even says in the picture "Excise-Man" and not " A Random Man".

It is ok to do violence to a faceless bureaucrat with no power other than to do his job? So when BLM targets police officers (who are government officials) for murder, you are down with that? When "ranchers" on federal land arm themselves to the teeth with semi-automatic weapons and threaten federal agents, that is just fine?

 

[werepossum]

Now you're telling me that we shouldn't evaluate Trump's behavior in the context of his campaign? I don't give a shit if you paid attention to the campaign or not, it's all on the record. You're too far gone.

It's fine to evaluate whether he has fulfilled a campaign promise. But when Trump does something that's a 2 and you insist it's a 10 solely because he promised a 10, then you look either stupid or dishonest. Either way you discredit any valid point you might make.

Nice example of the protesters taking action upon a government official and not random people or property. It even says in the picture "Excise-Man" and not " A Random Man".

The "Excise-Man" is arguably less appropriate a target than is Berkeley or Milo. I don't support violence or threatened violence against either, but the bureaucrat who actually collects excise taxes or enforces shut-down grazing rights is almost never going to be the person who made the decision he is enforcing whereas Berkeley as a whole is the organization approving Milo and Milo is, well, Milo.

Honestly, I hate rioters and am fine with shooting both groups once they begin with the violence and obstruction. But the people supporting bringing in Milo (and I'm certainly one who supports that) seem to me to be much more appropriate targets than some hapless government official given a task by those on high.