Prop 8

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Question in the summary:

If gays can't get married - well, what should they do now? Feel "lucky" that they got the civil union bone tossed to them and be happy with it?

civil union = same rights as marriage so registering for a civil union would be a good step to take.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
No, just keep fighting and be patient. Gay marriage will be legal in the US, it's only a matter of time.

Basically.

 

[Antny6]

Originally posted by: MH2007
There was a suit filed before the California Supreme Court to remove the Prop from the ballot. What you are saying was actually one of the arguments that was used: that it was a a revision and not a mere amendment and therefore could not be put in place through an initiative.

The suit was dismissed.

Correct, it was dismissed without a ruling one way or the other. From what I understand the court rarely rules on a case like this until it actually becomes an issue.

And it looks like the writ has already been filed: Link

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: daniel49

people don't want the gay agenda shoved down thier throats. Its really as simple as that.

Which people? BIGOTS like you?

Nothing in Prop. 8 has anything to do with who YOU marry. What's being shoved down your BIGOTED throat? 😕

Gays are allowed thier civil unions and should be content with that.

And there you have proven your own BIGOTRY. It's fucking BIGOTS like YOU who insist on shoving YOUR fucking BIGOTED agenda down the throats of gay couples. :thumbsdown: :|

The U.S. Supreme Court has long held that "separate but equal" is NOT equal, yet you think gays should be satisfied with exactly that, a "separate but equal" distinction. If you're so convinced that "civil union" is fully equal to civil marriage, then all you're arguing about is a name... a freaking WORD, a semantic distinction that has no significance in law. I guess that would make you anti-semantic. :roll:

 

[sactoking]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: loki8481
join atheists and muslims to form a pity party of people who will never be elected potus in our lifetimes?

don't forget the asians.

An Asian might be elected before an atheist or a muslim. If an Asian is POTUS, they get a chauffer, which means 1 less Asian driver on the road. 😀

 

[Syringer]

http://sfist.com/2008/11/05/de...es_to_invalidate_p.php

Today City Attorney Dennis Herrera today, along with Los Angeles City Attorney Rocky Delgadillo and Santa Clara County Counsel Anne C. Ravel, filed "a petition for a writ of mandate with the California Supreme Court to invalidate Proposition 8, an initiative constitutional amendment that intends to strip gay and lesbian citizens of their fundamental right to marry in California."

Even though the people have spoken, it's a democracy, etc..this is a good move in that it will help preserve civil liberties and rights that would be unfairly taken away from a specific group of people


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[Jschmuck2]

I always know just how serious Harvey is by the amount of angry faces he uses in his posts 😉

 

[AstroManLuca]

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2244710&enterthread=y

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2244940&enterthread=y

 

[Corporate Thug]

and the beat goes on...

 

[Gooberlx2]

Can't climb that ladder? Damnit, drag everyone else down! Make "marriage" for heterosexual couples legally become "civil unions" too...bwahaha!

Really though, and I know it's just me, but I don't understand why some people get so hung up on semantics. I'm all for gay "marriage", but I honestly wouldn't be opposed to having all persuasions of committed relationships recognized as "civil unions" either. Legally, you're in a "civil union"...spiritually, you can consider yourself "married". I don't see how that cheapens one's relationship (aside from some people's insecurity issues).

But it's "either/or" for me, because I refuse to support "separate-but-equal" policies.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: loki8481
join atheists and muslims to form a pity party of people who will never be elected potus in our lifetimes?

don't forget the asians.

An Asian might be elected before an atheist or a muslim. If an Asian is POTUS, they get a chauffer, which means 1 less Asian driver on the road. 😀

I predict an Asian will not be elected in my lifetime and that an Asian has an equally bad chance as much as an atheist or muslim.

 

[OCGuy]

Is the thread title some kind of pun?

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: loki8481
join atheists and muslims to form a pity party of people who will never be elected potus in our lifetimes?

don't forget the asians.

An Asian might be elected before an atheist or a muslim. If an Asian is POTUS, they get a chauffer, which means 1 less Asian driver on the road. 😀

Yeah but an Asian might have trouble winning if they keep referring to the "erection."

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Is the thread title some kind of pun?

:laugh:

 

[cyclohexane]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: loki8481
join atheists and muslims to form a pity party of people who will never be elected potus in our lifetimes?

don't forget the asians.

An Asian might be elected before an atheist or a muslim. If an Asian is POTUS, they get a chauffer, which means 1 less Asian driver on the road. 😀

Yeah but an Asian might have trouble winning if they keep referring to the "erection."

lol

 

[blackangst1]

Arent they taking it greek now?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: loki8481
join atheists and muslims to form a pity party of people who will never be elected potus in our lifetimes?

don't forget the asians.

An Asian might be elected before an atheist or a muslim. If an Asian is POTUS, they get a chauffer, which means 1 less Asian driver on the road. 😀

Yeah but an Asian might have trouble winning if they keep referring to the "erection."

That's not even a fob accent :thumbsdown:

 

[sactoking]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: loki8481
join atheists and muslims to form a pity party of people who will never be elected potus in our lifetimes?

don't forget the asians.

An Asian might be elected before an atheist or a muslim. If an Asian is POTUS, they get a chauffer, which means 1 less Asian driver on the road. 😀

Yeah but an Asian might have trouble winning if they keep referring to the "erection."

Dunno, we talked about Clinton's "erection" a lot 😉

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
I think he's basically saying that he doesn't personally believe in it or "like" it, but that he doesn't think it should be made illegal. Basically, it's not his place to tell other people whether they can be married or not.

Sort of like how many (most?) pro-choice people see abortion. Obama probably dislikes abortion more than most people, but he's still pro-choice because he feels it's not his place to decide.

Bingo!

 

[frostedflakes]

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for equal civil rights, and I'm not religious, so I could care less about protecting the "sanctity" of marriage (which, BTW, I find extremely humorous considering the rate of divorce in this country), BUT... I never really understood why gay marriage is such a big thing among same-sex couples. Is marriage not, by definition, a spiritual union? And doesn't pretty much every major religion frown upon homosexuality? I guess I just don't see the appeal. If I was gay, I wouldn't be seeking approval from an institution that hates me.

I'm sure eventually, the major religions will come around and re-interpret the scripture to not exclude homosexuals from marriage, but until then, who cares?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Antny6

Originally posted by: MH2007
There was a suit filed before the California Supreme Court to remove the Prop from the ballot. What you are saying was actually one of the arguments that was used: that it was a a revision and not a mere amendment and therefore could not be put in place through an initiative.

The suit was dismissed.

Correct, it was dismissed without a ruling one way or the other. From what I understand the court rarely rules on a case like this until it actually becomes an issue.

And it looks like the writ has already been filed: Link

Well this will get interesting. I would have been surprised if prop 8 wasn't challenged in some way. The basic problem here is that the voters are asking for the California Constitution to be amended in a way that codifies discrimination and goes against the equal protection clause. How would that even be handled? How can you amend the constitution in a way that directly contradicts another part of the same constitution?

 

[ElFenix]

marry someone they're not attracted to just like everyone else out there

/cynic

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: loki8481
join atheists and muslims to form a pity party of people who will never be elected potus in our lifetimes?

don't forget the asians.

An Asian might be elected before an atheist or a muslim. If an Asian is POTUS, they get a chauffer, which means 1 less Asian driver on the road. 😀

Yeah but an Asian might have trouble winning if they keep referring to the "erection."

9.5/10

 

[nageov3t]

Is marriage not, by definition, a spiritual union?

it is not. marriage in our culture is a civil contract, and for same-sex couples, it's a focal point amid the things that go along with it, like insurance, adoption, partners being able to visit each other in the hospital, pass down property after their death without needing a will, etc.

 

[ElFenix]

california has both amendments and revisions? wtf?