Proof that "Very fine people" are really just whiny snowflakes

[Sheik Yerbouti]

What a pathetic excuse for a human being. He should be in jail for attacking the 1st Amendment like this. The woman has free speech rights to say whatever she wants to him. He's just like the radical Islamists who sue people for criticizing their religion.

lol. just gotta get a dig in against muslims. such a good little lapdog.

 

[Incorruptible]

lol. just gotta get a dig in against muslims. such a good little lapdog.

Not Muslims but radical Islamists who also sue people for exercising free speech.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Not Muslims but radical Islamists who also sue people for exercising free speech.

whatever bunky, you're a stalwart defender of those in dire need of defense. LOL

 

[Moonbeam]

whatever bunky, you're a stalwart defender of those in dire need of defense. LOL

I rather liked his position, minus the pathetic condemnation part. Ignorant people are ignorant because they they never had a way to be otherwise.

 

[Jhhnn]

I love the "I wuz drunk!" defense. It only works like if you fell on somebody. We know you didn't mean to. It doesn't work when you're talking hateful shit. That stuff was already in your head before the whiskey did the talking.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

You said speech doesn't create Nazis when it obviously does. Oratory plays a huge role. Hitler turned millions of Germans into drooling idiots & Trump does the same with Americans today.

Luckily for us, Trump doesn't command Hitler's approval rating of 80-90%. Trump will never go above 45%.

 

[Moonbeam]

Self hate does not require Speech. If you believe self hate is what creates Nazis, then why are you talking about speech?

Jhhnn gave you a real world explanation that is factual, but the answer I would give is psychological. It was putdowns that turned some people to prove those words true as a means of revenge so it is through counteroffensive speech they seek revenge. They are compelled to use offensive language as the outer manifestation of their inner feelings of worthlessness. How was that not clear?

 

[realibrad]

You said speech doesn't create Nazis when it obviously does. Oratory plays a huge role. Hitler turned millions of Germans into drooling idiots & Trump does the same with Americans today.

Again, I said speech is a tool. Speech does not create Nazis. What a dumb position to take. Do you truly believe that the more people speak, that eventually Nazi builds in them until they have too much speech and they get infected?

 

[JSt0rm]

Again, I said speech is a tool. Speech does not create Nazis. What a dumb position to take. Do you truly believe that the more people speak, that eventually Nazi builds in them until they have too much speech and they get infected?

Hitler's first DAP speech was held in the Hofbräukeller on 16 October 1919. He was the second speaker of the evening and spoke to 111 people.[42] Hitler later declared that this was when he realised he could really "make a good speech".[29] At first, Hitler spoke only to relatively small groups, but his considerable oratory and propaganda skills were appreciated by the party leadership. With the support of Anton Drexler, Hitler became chief of propaganda for the party in early 1920.[43] Hitler began to make the party more public, and organised their biggest meeting yet of 2000 people, on 24 February 1920 in the Staatliches Hofbräuhaus in München.

 

[realibrad]

Jhhnn gave you a real world explanation that is factual, but the answer I would give is psychological. It was putdowns that turned some people to prove those words true as a means of revenge so it is through counteroffensive speech they seek revenge. They are compelled to use offensive language as the outer manifestation of their inner feelings of worthlessness. How was that not clear?

I will ask this hoping that you will give me a direct answer. Do you understand the difference between speech being a tool, and speech being a cause?

Here is a real world explanation. Sitting does not make you fat. Eating more calories than your body uses makes you store fat. If you eat nothing and sit you will not be fat. If you eat very little and sit you will not be fat. To get fat you must consume more calories than you burn, and sitting burns very little fat. Thus, sitting does not make you fat. What sitting does is conserve energy.

 

[realibrad]

Hitler's first DAP speech was held in the Hofbräukeller on 16 October 1919. He was the second speaker of the evening and spoke to 111 people.[42] Hitler later declared that this was when he realised he could really "make a good speech".[29] At first, Hitler spoke only to relatively small groups, but his considerable oratory and propaganda skills were appreciated by the party leadership. With the support of Anton Drexler, Hitler became chief of propaganda for the party in early 1920.[43] Hitler began to make the party more public, and organised their biggest meeting yet of 2000 people, on 24 February 1920 in the Staatliches Hofbräuhaus in München.

Tell me, do you believe that speeches turn people into Nazis if the speech is about water conservation? How about a speech about VR gaming? Speech does not cause Nazis. Speech is a tool that can be used for good or bad. Speech does not cause Nazis.

 

[Jhhnn]

Again, I said speech is a tool. Speech does not create Nazis. What a dumb position to take. Do you truly believe that the more people speak, that eventually Nazi builds in them until they have too much speech and they get infected?

Speech is the tool used to create Nazis. It's used to create a lot of other social phenomena as well. Being a Neo-Nazi is learned behavior, not something these dolts could think up on their own.

 

[JSt0rm]

Tell me, do you believe that speeches turn people into Nazis if the speech is about water conservation? How about a speech about VR gaming? Speech does not cause Nazis. Speech is a tool that can be used for good or bad. Speech does not cause Nazis.

the fuck are you talking about?

 

[nickqt]

Speech is the tool used to create Nazis. It's used to create a lot of other social phenomena as well. Being a Neo-Nazi is learned behavior, not something these dolts could think up on their own.

Wait, are you saying that Adolf Hitler's words possibly created Nazis, rather than Nazis just springing up, fully formed, from the soil?

 

[JSt0rm]

Wait, are you saying that Adolf Hitler's words possibly created Nazis, rather than Nazis just springing up, fully formed, from the soil?

it was actually speech about seltzer water that made nazis.

 

[realibrad]

Speech is the tool used to create Nazis. It's used to create a lot of other social phenomena as well. Being a Neo-Nazi is learned behavior, not something these dolts could think up on their own.

Speech is also a tool to stop Nazis. Speech is not the problem. The problem is the ideas and that is what should be fought. People are putting the cart before the horse. Speech is a tool to spread ideas, and it matters not if those ideas are good or bad in terms of the tool.

 

[realibrad]

Wait, are you saying that Adolf Hitler's words possibly created Nazis, rather than Nazis just springing up, fully formed, from the soil?

Are you implying that words create Nazis? If I say potato enough, will it work like a magic spell and turn someone into a Nazi? Or perhaps, its not that words turn people into Nazis and words are just the method of conveying bad ideas?

 

[JSt0rm]

Are you implying that words create Nazis? If I say potato enough, will it work like a magic spell and turn someone into a Nazi? Or perhaps, its not that words turn people into Nazis and words are just the method of conveying bad ideas?

this is not the way to go through life.

 

[Jhhnn]

Speech is also a tool to stop Nazis. Speech is not the problem. The problem is the ideas and that is what should be fought. People are putting the cart before the horse. Speech is a tool to spread ideas, and it matters not if those ideas are good or bad in terms of the tool.

Speech like "Fuck you, asshole!" right in their faces? That's the basis of the snowflake lawsuit, isn't it?

 

[realibrad]

Speech like "Fuck you, asshole!" right in their faces? That's the basis of the snowflake lawsuit, isn't it?

Yep, and he is a hypocrite. Calling him bad names is something that is legal and he needs to suck it up. As I said before, its not uncommon for the Right to act this way.

Put said what you think I said before. Do you think speech and speeches cause people to turn into Nazis, or does the speech need to have very specific ideas? I said that speech does not cause Nazis, but is a tool used by them. I'm fully aware that Hitler used speech to gain a following, and had he been shut down we likely would have never had Hitler in our history. That does not mean that speech is what caused Nazis. Speech was used to spread Nazi ideas and gave an excuse to people for why their lives got worse after the war.

As I said, people look for justification. Nazis gave a scapegoat to the people that though they were doing fine in the war, and then lost and were subjected to an extreme punishment. Nazis said we can fix it because we know who's fault it is.

As a side note, if you have done any research into Hitler's past, you see that he only started disliking Jews as a way to gain political power. He was perfectly fine with them, and very much depended on them for large parts of his younger life. Hell, the man that saved his mother was a Jew and Hitler cared so much about him that he made that Dr. off limits. Hate was a tool then too.

 

[Moonbeam]

I will ask this hoping that you will give me a direct answer. Do you understand the difference between speech being a tool, and speech being a cause?

Here is a real world explanation. Sitting does not make you fat. Eating more calories than your body uses makes you store fat. If you eat nothing and sit you will not be fat. If you eat very little and sit you will not be fat. To get fat you must consume more calories than you burn, and sitting burns very little fat. Thus, sitting does not make you fat. What sitting does is conserve energy.

Once a dog latched onto a bone and wouldn't let go of it, but seeing himself reflected in a pond, he saw a dog with a bigger bone, dropping his own into the depth trying to get the one in the reflection. May you find your own pond somewhere. You have much to learn about letting go of bones. What I know about speech is that when I speak you become very confused. The point is that you have fixated on an argument that depends on whether speech is a tool or a cause when what I said has nothing to do with that. What you will want to do now, I suspect is prove that the definition of tool or cause somehow has something to do with anything. In that way you will continue to argue what is irrelevant, something you are prone to do. For a Nazi speech is important for getting negative attention. It's how they shit in your face. They want you to react with contempt because they need that attention, all healthy options having been taken from them as children. This is why speech, their speech, their freedom to shit in your face is important to them. They need your hate to feel alive in revenge. Now you don't have to agree, but give me a break with the tool cause shit. I am going no further down that road.

 

[realibrad]

Once a dog latched onto a bone and wouldn't let go of it, but seeing himself reflected in a pond, he saw a dog with a bigger bone, dropping his own into the depth trying to get the one in the reflection. May you find your own pond somewhere. You have much to learn about letting go of bones. What I know about speech is that when I speak you become very confused. The point is that you have fixated on an argument that depends on whether speech is a tool or a cause when what I said has nothing to do with that. What you will want to do now, I suspect is prove that the definition of tool or cause somehow has something to do with anything. In that way you will continue to argue what is irrelevant, something you are prone to do. For a Nazi speech is important for getting negative attention. It's how they shit in your face. They want you to react with contempt because they need that attention, all healthy options having been taken from them as children. This is why speech, their speech, their freedom to shit in your face is important to them. They need your hate to feel alive in revenge. Now you don't have to agree, but give me a break with the tool cause shit. I am going no further down that road.

Nope, you could not do it.

 

[Younigue]

You misunderstand. Spy said they were concerned with THEIR freedom of speech to which I disagreed with. I said that they are concerned with justifying their actions, and in that sense, speech is among one of many things. You could take away speech and they would still find ways to justify their actions. Thus, speech to them is not important.

I understood.

 

[realibrad]

I understood.

Then you understand that the people me and Spy were talking about do not care about freedom of speech, just spreading their own ideas while limiting others ideas?

 

[Younigue]

Then you understand that the people me and Spy were talking about do not care about freedom of speech, just spreading their own ideas while limiting others ideas?

With words a.k.a. Speech.