Proof that "Very fine people" are really just whiny snowflakes

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Jaskalas

Lifer
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You said speech doesn't create Nazis when it obviously does. Oratory plays a huge role. Hitler turned millions of Germans into drooling idiots & Trump does the same with Americans today.

Hey now, it took drooling idiots to elect him in the first place. Let's not put the cart before the horse.
 
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realibrad

Lifer
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LOL! You are one stuck kind of mister.

Why do you find enjoyment in being tedious? I think you believe you have mad debating skills but I assure you your efforts are tedious and disingenuous. My observations are that no one particularly enjoys their interactions with you on a stimulating/Invigorating debate level. Is that what you believe you are experiencing while engaged? Hmmm, anyone care to weigh in? Maybe I'm wrong, maybe they thoroughly enjoy your techniques and will give you credit for being thought provoking and genuinely well thought out in your approach?

That is an arrogant position on your part, because you do not seem question your summation.

Its not that I enjoy being tedious, and I question your use and or understanding of disingenuous. I come to these honestly. The reason things get tedious is multi multifaceted, but in this case, it was because people misunderstood and then ran with the idea that they had created. As others jumped in midway, the water only got more murky and at that point just about all hope is lost in what happened.

So, you presume that the issue here is that I am debating the technicalities of grammar and what people say vs what they mean, and that is not what happened. Moonie made a statement, and I followed up with saying something that others seem to agree with, in that speech is a tool that can be used to convert people, but speech alone is not inherently the converting cause. Jhhnn then said no to that, and I went down the road of "splitting hairs". You all then assume that the debate is between speech converts people, vs not and or speech converts people vs specific speech converts people. It would take maybe 5 min for anyone to go back and look through the posts and see what happened, yet none of you do. I then try to provide you a summary, include the posts and the context, and you then see that as me being tedious.

So, what I do find enjoyable is being challenged by others ideas. There are a few that are willing to do that, but not always. I find that many here enjoy attacking ideas and or people vs debating ideas and or people.
 

Younigue

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That is an arrogant position on your part, because you do not seem question your summation.

Its not that I enjoy being tedious, and I question your use and or understanding of disingenuous. I come to these honestly. The reason things get tedious is multi multifaceted, but in this case, it was because people misunderstood and then ran with the idea that they had created. As others jumped in midway, the water only got more murky and at that point just about all hope is lost in what happened.

So, you presume that the issue here is that I am debating the technicalities of grammar and what people say vs what they mean, and that is not what happened. Moonie made a statement, and I followed up with saying something that others seem to agree with, in that speech is a tool that can be used to convert people, but speech alone is not inherently the converting cause. Jhhnn then said no to that, and I went down the road of "splitting hairs". You all then assume that the debate is between speech converts people, vs not and or speech converts people vs specific speech converts people. It would take maybe 5 min for anyone to go back and look through the posts and see what happened, yet none of you do. I then try to provide you a summary, include the posts and the context, and you then see that as me being tedious.

So, what I do find enjoyable is being challenged by others ideas. There are a few that are willing to do that, but not always. I find that many here enjoy attacking ideas and or people vs debating ideas and or people.
So your enjoyment stems from choosing your words in such a way that causes misunderstanding? Have you never once considered that it is your approach and choice of words, not people's understanding of them? If not...? Talk about arrogance.

If you're accepting any challenges it's to dig your feet in on a point you've made. You fold any logic you are unable to debate in to whatever point you've made and still call it your original point. <--- disingenuous. Would you rather I use a different term? Nah.

If there's a shortage of reasonable conversation to have here I suggest you find somewhere more suitable. My guess is you run in to this wherever you go but because of them, never you.

I don't disagree that there is a lot of attacking one another in these forms of communication but you sure are a different flavour all together. I don't see people attacking your ideas as much as I see them challenging your perpetual confusion, your tendency toward making comments that aren't thoroughly thought through but you defend relentlessly... <--- tedious. *sigh* Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to busy myself while I wait for you to respond then feel my will power crumble under my need to counter whatever it is you say. Who knows, maybe next time my will power will win but let neither of us be lulled in to believing it possible.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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Gotta love how the whole "free speech for Nazis" avoids the central reason for the fracas in the first place.

Why did Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville? To protest against the removal of monumental statuary raised by white supremacists to glorify Jim Crow & to inspire future generations of white supremacists.

That's the truth. I'll grant that there were some romantic fools among the protesters, no doubt, but they should have picked up a clue as to the true nature of their traveling companions early on. Muh Southern Heritage! should pale for anybody who really knows what it means to black Americans.

Their intentions never really were peaceful & anybody with a lick of sense needs to understand that.
 
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Younigue

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Gotta love how the whole "free speech for Nazis" avoids the central reason for the fracas in the first place.

Why did Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville? To protest against the removal of monumental statuary raised by white supremacists to glorify Jim Crow & to inspire future generations of white supremacists.

That's the truth. I'll grant that there were some romantic fools among the protesters, no doubt, but they should have picked up a clue as to the true nature of their traveling companions early on. Muh Southern Heritage! should pale for anybody who really knows what it means to black Americans.

Their intentions never really were peaceful & anybody with a lick of sense needs to understand that.
Any one with a lick of sense does understand it.
 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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LOL! You are one stuck kind of mister.

Why do you find enjoyment in being tedious? I think you believe you have mad debating skills but I assure you your efforts are tedious and disingenuous. My observations are that no one particularly enjoys their interactions with you on a stimulating/Invigorating debate level. Is that what you believe you are experiencing while engaged? Hmmm, anyone care to weigh in? Maybe I'm wrong, maybe they thoroughly enjoy your techniques and will give you credit for being thought provoking and genuinely well thought out in your approach?
I think you are on the money. What I see is a person whose trauma is feeling misunderstood, of being refused the opportunity to express himself in ways that engendered sympathy and needs now as an adult to recreate that feeling by taking up positions that are ridiculous and thus cause ridicule and then taking emotional satisfaction in defending them to the death. This, I think, is how he gets even, by pronouncing the absurd and deflecting that realization. In this case he is here to rant and you were here to help him see what he does for his sake. Concern for others is a real form of entertainment.

We make asses of ourselves, realibrad to get close to but never actually relive our inner pain. But the soul will never accept anything less than on earth as it is in heaven.
 

Younigue

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I think you are on the money. What I see is a person whose trauma is feeling misunderstood, of being refused the opportunity to express himself in ways that engendered sympathy and needs now as an adult to recreate that feeling by taking up positions that are ridiculous and thus cause ridicule and then taking emotional satisfaction in defending them to the death. This, I think, is how he gets even, by pronouncing the absurd and deflecting that realization. In this case he is here to rant and you were here to help him see what he does for his sake. Concern for others is a real form of entertainment.

We make asses of ourselves, realibrad to get close to but never actually relive our inner pain. But the soul will never accept anything less than on earth as it is in heaven.
*Cordial nod*