That is an arrogant position on your part, because you do not seem question your summation.
Its not that I enjoy being tedious, and I question your use and or understanding of disingenuous. I come to these honestly. The reason things get tedious is multi multifaceted, but in this case, it was because people misunderstood and then ran with the idea that they had created. As others jumped in midway, the water only got more murky and at that point just about all hope is lost in what happened.
So, you presume that the issue here is that I am debating the technicalities of grammar and what people say vs what they mean, and that is not what happened. Moonie made a statement, and I followed up with saying something that others seem to agree with, in that speech is a tool that can be used to convert people, but speech alone is not inherently the converting cause. Jhhnn then said no to that, and I went down the road of "splitting hairs". You all then assume that the debate is between speech converts people, vs not and or speech converts people vs specific speech converts people. It would take maybe 5 min for anyone to go back and look through the posts and see what happened, yet none of you do. I then try to provide you a summary, include the posts and the context, and you then see that as me being tedious.
So, what I do find enjoyable is being challenged by others ideas. There are a few that are willing to do that, but not always. I find that many here enjoy attacking ideas and or people vs debating ideas and or people.