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Proof that hetero and homosexuality are genetic!

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Originally posted by: JasonSix78
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
My point was not to say that homosexuals are any better than anyone else. We are not.

We're not better than straight people. But we are different than straight people. Very different.

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
The point I was trying to make was if we start modifying the genetic makeup of the future to keep our children from being gay, what will we lose out on?
May'be nothing. May'be everything.

I'd predict a gradual increase in aggressiveness, war, bad clothes, poor interior design, and a decline in beautiful things, fashion, taste, co-operation, good music.

So by that last statement you're essentially saying that homosexuals are, or will be, responsible for holding this planet together? Wow. You do believe that your lifestyle is superior.

-Jason

I don't think he was being 100% serious. But he might have been, heh. 😛
 
Originally posted by: JasonSix78
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
My point was not to say that homosexuals are any better than anyone else. We are not.

We're not better than straight people. But we are different than straight people. Very different.

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
The point I was trying to make was if we start modifying the genetic makeup of the future to keep our children from being gay, what will we lose out on?
May'be nothing. May'be everything.

I'd predict a gradual increase in aggressiveness, war, bad clothes, poor interior design, and a decline in beautiful things, fashion, taste, co-operation, good music.

So by that last statement you're essentially saying that homosexuals are, or will be, responsible for holding this planet together? Wow. You do believe that your lifestyle is superior.

-Jason

Look, I'm just stating facts. Most of the best, most creative fashion designers in the world are gay men. The best interior designers are gay men. A large percentage of the best musicians of the 20th century were homosexual men. I'm just pointing out that gay men seem a bit more creative than straight guys - on average. Straight men are more physically aggressive than gay men. (They hit more people, rape more women and children, etc.) I don't think any of the above is due to "lifestlye" however. I think there are biological/ anatomical/ neurological differences between gay people and straight people (i.e., actual differences in brain structure) accounting for the differences in aptitudes. I'm just saying gays and straights are different, I'm not saying one is better than the other.

 
Originally posted by: JasonSix78
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
My point was not to say that homosexuals are any better than anyone else. We are not.

We're not better than straight people. But we are different than straight people. Very different.

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
The point I was trying to make was if we start modifying the genetic makeup of the future to keep our children from being gay, what will we lose out on?
May'be nothing. May'be everything.

I'd predict a gradual increase in aggressiveness, war, bad clothes, poor interior design, and a decline in beautiful things, fashion, taste, co-operation, good music.

So by that last statement you're essentially saying that homosexuals are, or will be, responsible for holding this planet together? Wow. You do believe that your lifestyle is superior.

-Jason

of course THEY do
:roll:

haven't you heard of "gay pride"?

Most hetros think THEIR lifestyle is superior. Many civilizations of the past were bisexual . . . it's just that the jewish-christian religious viewpoints prevail . . . and they are NOT superior [based on a single BS religious document pretending to be from the "creator" i.e. 'the bible']
:thumbsdown:
 
Your title: Proof that hetero and homosexuality are genetic!

This post isn't meant to be either pro or anti homosexuality, but I felt compelled to point out that nothing in this article suggests that homosexuality is genetic. What this article proves is that humans can tweak the genetic code of fruitflies so that they behave differently than the non-tweaked versions. This doesn't even mean that there are genetically homosexual fruitflies - it just means that genetic codes are subject to tampering, the results of which are observable altered behaviors. Do genetically homosexual fruitflies even exist? If so, then the OP's title might carry a little more weight. As it stands, the title to this thread is inaccurate.

A good virus will tweak the settings of my pc so that it will operate differently than before; that doesn't mean that my pc is supposed to operate the way it does after it gets infected.

So the homosexual crowd shouldn't go into a big celebration just yet.
 
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: JasonSix78
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
My point was not to say that homosexuals are any better than anyone else. We are not.

We're not better than straight people. But we are different than straight people. Very different.

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
The point I was trying to make was if we start modifying the genetic makeup of the future to keep our children from being gay, what will we lose out on?
May'be nothing. May'be everything.

I'd predict a gradual increase in aggressiveness, war, bad clothes, poor interior design, and a decline in beautiful things, fashion, taste, co-operation, good music.

So by that last statement you're essentially saying that homosexuals are, or will be, responsible for holding this planet together? Wow. You do believe that your lifestyle is superior.

-Jason

Look, I'm just stating facts. Most of the best, most creative fashion designers in the world are gay men. The best interior designers are gay men. A large percentage of the best musicians of the 20th century were homosexual men. I'm just pointing out that gay men seem a bit more creative than straight guys - on average. Straight men are more physically aggressive than gay men. (They hit more people, rape more women and children, etc.) I don't think any of the above is due to "lifestlye" however. I think there are biological/ anatomical/ neurological differences between gay people and straight people (i.e., actual differences in brain structure) accounting for the differences in aptitudes between gay and straight people.
Are there scientific studies showing that such attributes are caused by sexual orientation alone?
 
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: JasonSix78
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
My point was not to say that homosexuals are any better than anyone else. We are not.

We're not better than straight people. But we are different than straight people. Very different.

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
The point I was trying to make was if we start modifying the genetic makeup of the future to keep our children from being gay, what will we lose out on?
May'be nothing. May'be everything.

I'd predict a gradual increase in aggressiveness, war, bad clothes, poor interior design, and a decline in beautiful things, fashion, taste, co-operation, good music.

So by that last statement you're essentially saying that homosexuals are, or will be, responsible for holding this planet together? Wow. You do believe that your lifestyle is superior.

-Jason

Look, I'm just stating facts. Most of the best, most creative fashion designers in the world are gay men. The best interior designers are gay men. A large percentage of the best musicians of the 20th century were homosexual men. I'm just pointing out that gay men seem a bit more creative than straight guys - on average. Straight men are more physically aggressive than gay men. (They hit more people, rape more women and children, etc.) I don't think any of the above is due to "lifestlye" however. I think there are biological/ anatomical/ neurological differences between gay people and straight people (i.e., actual differences in brain structure) accounting for the differences in aptitudes between gay and straight people.
Are there scientific studies showing that such attributes are caused by sexual orientation alone?

Certainly not.

 
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: JasonSix78
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
My point was not to say that homosexuals are any better than anyone else. We are not.

We're not better than straight people. But we are different than straight people. Very different.

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
The point I was trying to make was if we start modifying the genetic makeup of the future to keep our children from being gay, what will we lose out on?
May'be nothing. May'be everything.

I'd predict a gradual increase in aggressiveness, war, bad clothes, poor interior design, and a decline in beautiful things, fashion, taste, co-operation, good music.

So by that last statement you're essentially saying that homosexuals are, or will be, responsible for holding this planet together? Wow. You do believe that your lifestyle is superior.

-Jason

I don't think he was being 100% serious. But he might have been, heh. 😛

😛

 
Originally posted by: shilala
Originally posted by: aidanjm
We're not better than straight people. But we are different than straight people. Very different.

You say "different", but I hear "special".

Mebbe you should get your ears checked. 😉

Certainly I don't think gay people should receive any special legal treatment. I think everyone, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, whatever, should have the same rights and protections. I think all people should be treated the same by the government. Of course, what heterosexual people fail to acknowledge is that THEY are the ones singling gay people out for "special treatment" by denying gay people access to the basic legal protections and rights that they themselves take for granted.

 
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: datalink7
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
My point was not to say that homosexuals are any better than anyone else. We are not.

We're not better than straight people. But we are different than straight people. Very different.

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
The point I was trying to make was if we start modifying the genetic makeup of the future to keep our children from being gay, what will we lose out on?
May'be nothing. May'be everything.

I'd predict a gradual increase in aggressiveness, war, bad clothes, poor interior design, and a decline in beautiful things, fashion, taste, co-operation, good music.

That's stupid. I know a gay guy who pretty much acts like a "normal" guy and hates the "gay sterotype" that you just mentioned.

Yeah, "straight acting" gay guys hating the gay stereotype is the ultimate in homophobia. :disgust: I really can't stand assholes like that.

And yeah, there is a spectrum of "types" of gay men. I think we will find (eventually) that there are different biological pathways to homosexuality, producing different sub-types of homosexuals.

How about everyone is an individual and we shouldn't be so concerned with typecasting people into specific groups that they are supposed to fit in to?
 
Just a question for you bio type. If it is truely a genetic thing, then won't that geonome become less and less typical in humans as "gay" people tend not to breed? Won't that mean that their will be less and less gay people?
 
Originally posted by: NuroMancer
Just a question for you bio type. If it is truely a genetic thing, then won't that geonome become less and less typical in humans as "gay" people tend not to breed? Won't that mean that their will be less and less gay people?

hasn't happened in thousand of years . . . bigoted religion just forced them to go undercover😉

there seems to be a certain percentage of animals, insects, [most] plants and humans are bi/homo sexual
 
Originally posted by: NuroMancer
Just a question for you bio type. If it is truely a genetic thing, then won't that geonome become less and less typical in humans as "gay" people tend not to breed? Won't that mean that their will be less and less gay people?

Well, new research shows that female individuals with gay male relatives are more fertile (they have more children) than female individuals who don't have gay male relatives. It is theorized that the genes leading to homosexuality in males produce a quite different effect -- increased fertility -- when those genes occur in females. Because women with these genes are having more children (than women without the genes) this would theoretically "make up for" the effect of males with the genes not having children. Does that make sense? The point is that the gay gene occurs in the context of a family, and while such a family may produce more gay males, it will also produce more children overall (the females in the family will be more fertile) and therefore the two effects (homosexuality in males, increased fertility in women) cancel eachother out within the family unit. In that way, the genes remain in the population.

 
Originally posted by: datalink7
How about everyone is an individual and we shouldn't be so concerned with typecasting people into specific groups that they are supposed to fit in to?

Look, the stereotypes DO exist for a reason. Lots of gay men ARE "effeminate" for example. Lots of lesbians do have qualities that are stereotypically masculine. Not all, but quite a few. Etc.
 
Originally posted by: aidanjm

My belief is that heterosexual society doesn't deserve people like us in the first place. Maybe it would be for the best.

I seriously doubt we need another group of people who think fashion and style are priority #1 in our lives.
 
The #1 problem with this study is that human beings are NOT fruit flies yet we are implictly drawing a cognitive link between them. Since WHEN are fruit flies human beings or anything even closely resembling fruit flies? in any way, shape, or form?
 
Originally posted by: Atomicus
Originally posted by: aidanjm

My belief is that heterosexual society doesn't deserve people like us in the first place. Maybe it would be for the best.

I seriously doubt we need another group of people who think fashion and style are priority #1 in our lives.

Someone has to do that. Otherwise the world would be as badly dressed as you are. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: datalink7
How about everyone is an individual and we shouldn't be so concerned with typecasting people into specific groups that they are supposed to fit in to?

Look, the stereotypes DO exist for a reason. Lots of gay men ARE "effeminate" for example. Lots of lesbians do have qualities that are stereotypically masculine. Not all, but quite a few. Etc.

And lots of straight guys have "effeminate" qualities (metrosexual anyone?).

And how many gay guys act "effeminate" because they feel pressured into the stereotype?

The gay guy I know doesn't hate gay guys who act stereotypical... he hates that it is stereotypical. He isn't "acting straight", as you put it. He isn't acting at all. Just being himself, and refusing to be stereotyped into a roll.
 
Originally posted by: Kipper
The #1 problem with this study is that human beings are NOT fruit flies yet we are implictly drawing a cognitive link between them. Since WHEN are fruit flies human beings or anything even closely resembling fruit flies? in any way, shape, or form?

the study is just an excuse for yet another nature/ nurture debate. 😛

 
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Atomicus
Originally posted by: aidanjm

My belief is that heterosexual society doesn't deserve people like us in the first place. Maybe it would be for the best.

I seriously doubt we need another group of people who think fashion and style are priority #1 in our lives.

Someone has to do that. Otherwise the world would be as badly dressed as you are. 🙂
But the ones who have a problem with this are...?
 
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Kipper
The #1 problem with this study is that human beings are NOT fruit flies yet we are implictly drawing a cognitive link between them. Since WHEN are fruit flies human beings or anything even closely resembling fruit flies? in any way, shape, or form?

the study is just an excuse for yet another nature/ nurture debate. 😛

Well, then where is the evidence for the nature? In a study by fruit flies? That's awfully sketchy evidence to base a claim on, because we know fruit flies are not human beings.
 
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: shilala
Originally posted by: aidanjm
We're not better than straight people. But we are different than straight people. Very different.

You say "different", but I hear "special".

Mebbe you should get your ears checked. 😉

Certainly I don't think gay people should receive any special legal treatment. I think everyone, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, whatever, should have the same rights and protections. I think all people should be treated the same by the government. Of course, what heterosexual people fail to acknowledge is that THEY are the ones singling gay people out for "special treatment" by denying gay people access to the basic legal protections and rights that they themselves take for granted.
See, I don't think everyone, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, whatever, should have the same rights and protections. I think all people should be treated on a case by case basis, as is reasonably possible, the by the government.
I think target programs, affirmative action, and endowments to specific races and social classes are a good thing. I think rich people should pay more taxes, and I think poor people should be given food and shelter. I don't think our women should be forced to serve in the military, I don't think children should be allowed to drink alcohol, I don't think Ladies should be allowed in the Men's restroom, and I don't think gays should be allowed to be married.

My point...
It's not a level or fair playing field. It never was, and it never will be.
In life, we are dealt our hand. I'm fortunate that I was born a white heterosexual male in a white heterosexual male's society. I am grateful that I wasn't born a black homosexual male, because I don't think I could take it.
Gayness does not make anyone so "different" or "special" that they deserve these mythical equal rights that no other class/group/individual on this planet are afforded.




 
Originally posted by: datalink7
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: datalink7
How about everyone is an individual and we shouldn't be so concerned with typecasting people into specific groups that they are supposed to fit in to?

Look, the stereotypes DO exist for a reason. Lots of gay men ARE "effeminate" for example. Lots of lesbians do have qualities that are stereotypically masculine. Not all, but quite a few. Etc.

And lots of straight guys have "effeminate" qualities (metrosexual anyone?).

And those effeminate straight guys are typically abused, bullied, called "i love you" "homo" etc. So sad.

Originally posted by: datalink7
And how many gay guys act "effeminate" because they feel pressured into the stereotype?

None. The prevailing social pressure (both within the gay and straight communities) is for gays to butch it up, be "straight acting". It takes huge balls to be a swishy, effeminate, flaming gay in this day and age.

Originally posted by: datalink7
The gay guy I know doesn't hate gay guys who act stereotypical... he hates that it is stereotypical. He isn't "acting straight", as you put it. He isn't acting at all. Just being himself, and refusing to be stereotyped into a roll.

Good on him.
 
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Atomicus
Originally posted by: aidanjm

My belief is that heterosexual society doesn't deserve people like us in the first place. Maybe it would be for the best.

I seriously doubt we need another group of people who think fashion and style are priority #1 in our lives.

Someone has to do that. Otherwise the world would be as badly dressed as you are. 🙂
But the ones who have a problem with this are...?

Que? Women, for starters.
 
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