Proof-of-Citizenship Ruling Victory for Honest Vote

[Bowfinger]

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So whenever anyone tries to look into even determining the eligibility of registered voters, they get stonewalled indefinitely! So if a state's Secretary of State can't even get information on who is legally registered vs. illegally, where's anyone getting the information on who is actually voting?

Also not true. Florida's effort was halted because it was too close to an election, as your own quoted text clearly states. Specifically, they must complete such efforts at least 90 days before an election. Further, in this specific case, the Justice Department noted that Florida officials knew the database they were using contained inaccurate and outdated information, meaning Florida's effort would disenfranchise legitimate voters.

This isn't the first time Florida's done this. There was a similar effort back in the Bush era where Florida purged its roles of purportedly ineligible voters using a felon database. Florida's matching criteria were found to be so loose that thousands of eligible voters were disenfranchised. Unsurprisingly, both overzealous purges were driven by Republican Secretaries of State.

Here's a link to the Justice Department complaint: http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/resources/5382012612163855249486.pdf

 

[fskimospy]

Also not true. Florida's effort was halted because it was too close to an election, as your own quoted text clearly states. Specifically, they must complete such efforts at least 90 days before an election. Further, in this specific case, the Justice Department noted that Florida officials knew the database they were using contained inaccurate and outdated information, meaning Florida's effort would disenfranchise legitimate voters.

This isn't the first time Florida's done this. There was a similar effort back in the Bush era where Florida purged its roles of purportedly ineligible voters using a felon database. Florida's matching criteria were found to be so loose that thousands of eligible voters were disenfranchised. Unsurprisingly, both overzealous purges were driven by Republican Secretaries of State.

Here's a link to the Justice Department complaint: http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/resources/5382012612163855249486.pdf

Not only that, but the actual list they ended up using had about 2,500 names on it and was so inaccurate that election officials were noting an error rate of about 33%. When they compared it with federal registries they ended up with... 34 people who had voted who MIGHT not have been eligible.

34. Out of approximately 8 million voters in Florida.

lol.

 

[boomerang]

As I already pointed out, this ruling and judge Melgren said not a single word to support Horne's claims about voting fraud. You believe him anyway, because it's what you need to hear. Honesty, facts, and data are kryptonite to you.

And as usual, you stretch a point in an attempt to dismiss something that goes counter to your own close-held beliefs. Was there any testimony from the case quoted in the judge's ruling? Of course not, because the judge doesn't need to explain his ruling to that degree. This is the same reason Horne's statements don't appear in the ruling.

You have an ongoing habit of deception that is a universal trait of leftist/progressives. When the facts don't match up with your viewpoint, first berate the messenger, next berate the website, next twist events or flat out make things up and lastly, attack the information on semantics. Argue what the definition of "is" is.

You can attack me all you wish. You can try to bully and muscle me around as much as makes you happy. It's water off a duck's back. The only people that have any potential of getting under my skin here are those I have respect for. My level of respect for you is lower than whale shit.

 

[boomerang]

LOL! Funniest of all, most of the halfwits identified themselves.

So now from the crowd that painted itself into a stupid corner of "Voter fraud doesn't exist!!!!!!!!!" we get, "Okay, so there's illegal voter registration fraud... what's the problem with that??! !!!!!!!!!! Look the other way!!!!!!!!!! You can't prove anyone registering to vote illegally is actually voting illegally!!!!!!!"

All of course while not having a single clue about or shred of proof one way or the other.

LOL!

Give a leftwing twit enough rope and they will always hang themselves.

Liberalism is a mental disorder. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. They think like children but someone, somewhere along the line told them too many times that they were special flowers that were among the best and the brightest.

 

[brycejones]

Liberalism is a mental disorder. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. They think like children but someone, somewhere along the line told them too many times that they were special flowers that were among the best and the brightest.

Wow, way to be the flip side of moonbeam......

 

[MongGrel]

And it's back....

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alberteins133991.html

 

[Texashiker]

boomerang is simply reading/implying whatever suits his political agenda.

So what?

He is entitled to his opinion.

 

[boomerang]

Regardless of what he said, it does not change the courts ruling.

Aw, let's cut them some slack. They're losing and it really, really is just not fair! out:

They're mad at the court ruling and their anger has to be directed somewhere so it's at the guy that brought it to their attention. I thrive on their anger. It makes me stronger.

Holder is going to roadblock the whole thing anyway. He is no way, no how going to allow anyone that wishes to vote not be able to vote. If they are alive, if they are dead, citizens, illegally here, or just happen to be in town from Zimbabwe on election day, they're going to get to vote.

 

[MongGrel]

Wow you guys are still really in your own little bubble aren't you.

Silly trolls.

 

[BoomerD]

Yep...because voter fraud is so common...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/roxanne-rubin_n_2566297.html

A Nevada Republican arrested for voter fraud in the 2012 election, after claiming she was trying to test the system's integrity, pled guilty and accepted a plea deal Thursday, forcing her to pay almost $2,500 and promise to stay out of trouble.

Roxanne Rubin, 56, a casino worker on the Las Vegas Strip, was arrested on Nov. 3, 2012 after trying to vote twice, once at her poling site in Henderson and then at a second site in Las Vegas. The poll workers at the second site said that she had already voted, but Rubin said that she hadn't and insisted on casting a ballot, which the poll workers refused to allow her to do.

Rubin said that she was trying to show how easy it would be to commit voter fraud with just a signature. "This has always been an issue with me. I just feel the system is flawed," she told the AP Thursday. "If we’re showing ID for everything else, why wouldn’t we show our ID in order to vote?”

Rubin, like many Republicans, claim that the threat from voter fraud -- which is close to non-existent -- is why voter ID laws need to be in place. But Nevada has no voter ID law -- other than for first-time voters who didn't show ID when they registered to vote -- and she was caught anyway.

The prosecutor in the case said he knew of no other voters in Nevada or elsewhere arrested for voter fraud.

Democratic Nevada Secretary of State Ross Miller, who has called for a photo ID law, slammed Rubin in a statement. "If Ms. Rubin was trying to demonstrate how easy it is to commit voter fraud, she clearly failed and proved just the opposite," he said.

Rubin's deal requires her to pay $2,481 to the state in restitution, complete 100 hours of community service, stay out of trouble and complete an impulse control course.

 

[MongGrel]

Busy watching Captain Phillips on the main 47 inch monitor atm, flail away.

I'll be amused.

 

[shortylickens]

Yep...because voter fraud is so common...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/roxanne-rubin_n_2566297.html

Well, white english speaking people are getting caught by the racist Democrat government who wants 12 million illegals to stay here and be handed citizenship without following the law.


Congrats Obamaphiles. YOUR system is just lovely.

 

[Texashiker]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/roxanne-rubin_n_2566297.html

Go to rabid left website to find trash on republicans.

How original.

 

[JEDIYoda]

LOL. I predict this thread will draw every single one of the forum halfwits who've been stupidly jumping up and down screaming "no such thing as voter fraud!!!!!!" for so long they can't help but look like utter dumbasses and default to denial mode the second anyone ever uncovers any. And lo and behold, a few of the worst have already jumped in with their usual argument of; "Nuh uh!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Now it's "Every single news source is lying!!!!!!!" It cant possibly be that insisting without a shred of proof that something couldn't possibly be happening was a completely boneheaded position to take.

Too funny!

of course there is voter fraud...any idiot like you can see that...
But then again it`s really not that big of thing......anytime there are elections there will be some voter fraud.....yet to think or believe that the outcome of a presidential election in the United States was due to voter fraud is just plain stupid!

 

[BoomerD]

Shorty...if it's strictly a Democrat problem, why didn't the Republicans actually do something about it during the 8 years of the Bush administration? ?For a few of those, the Republicans had at least a slight majority in congress...

You keep blaming O'Bummer and the Dems for your problems...but the truth is...NEITHER PARTY wants to fix the illegal immigration problem in the USA.

Go to rabid left website to find trash on republicans.

How original.

Can't challenge the information so you attack the source?

How original.

Here Tex-ass Hiker...is this site more to your liking?

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/11/03/nevada-woman-tries-to-vote-twice-and-gets-arrested

 

[Texashiker]

Can't challenge the information so you attack the source?

Isn't that the norm around here?

 

[MongGrel]

Well, white english speaking people are getting caught by the racist Democrat government who wants 12 million illegals to stay here and be handed citizenship without following the law.


Congrats Obamaphiles. YOUR system is just lovely.

If you intentionally commit voter fraud, you've commited voter fraud.

Don't even start me on illegal immigration, I remember arguing with friends playing basketball as early as 1976 or before, at this point it's irrelevant and should be rectified.


As far as I'm concerned they should be made citizens and get it over with, no one seemed too concerned with the problem 40 years ago.

This country was founded from immigrants to begin with, maybe no one remembers the Statue of Liberty inscription, and I'm a bit American Indian myself and still want my townhouse in Manhattan given back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenape

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...50E0BD3812741279D90A84596D9B8&selectedIndex=7

 

[MongGrel]

That and I grew up here.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...vt=Delware+Indians+Chief+Anderson&FORM=IGRE#a

Related to Chief Anderson, all you teabaggers get out of my fucking country.

:twisted:

 

[Vic]

Go to rabid left website to find trash on republicans.

How original.

http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-ne...ctions-worker-pleads-guilty-to-fraud-charges

" Swenson, 55, an Oregon City-area resident, was removed from her position processing county election ballots on Oct. 31 after another election worker saw her marking a partially filled-out ballot for Republican candidates. "

 

[JEDIYoda]

" Swenson, 55, an Oregon City-area resident, was removed from her position processing county election ballots on Oct. 31 after another election worker saw her marking a partially filled-out ballot for Republican candidates. "

you all are on real good drugs or just plain ignorant! Nobody is denying that there are isolated cases of voter fraud, that is a given. Yet how many times has voter fraud swayed the outcome of an election in the United States?

I see a whole lot of smoke but in reality no fire to speak of....

 

[MongGrel]

Katherine Harris did it pretty well for Dubya years ago in my home state here.

Then these guys come in having the balls to even bitch about it these days.

As Secretary of State for the State of Florida (and co-chair of Bush's Florida election efforts), Harris was a central figure in the 2000 US presidential election in Florida. Harris certified that the Republican candidate, then-Texas Governor George W. Bush, had defeated the Democratic candidate, then-Vice President Al Gore, in the popular vote of Florida and thus certified the Republican slate of electors. The margin separating Bush from Gore was 537 votes. Harris ordered a halt after several recounts.

 

[MongGrel]

Her ruling was upheld in the state circuit court, but was subsequently overturned on appeal by the Florida Supreme Court. That decision was reversed by the U.S. Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore. In a per curiam decision, by a 7-2 vote, the Court in Bush v. Gore held that the Florida Supreme Court's method for recounting ballots was a violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. By a 5–4 vote, the Court held that no alternative method could be established within the time limits set by the State of Florida. Three of the concurring justices also asserted that the Florida Supreme Court had violated Article II, § 1, cl. 2 of the Constitution, by misinterpreting Florida election law that had been enacted by the Florida Legislature.

 

[MongGrel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFmWLdVW0bI

 

[Bowfinger]

And as usual, you stretch a point in an attempt to dismiss something that goes counter to your own close-held beliefs. Was there any testimony from the case quoted in the judge's ruling? Of course not, because the judge doesn't need to explain his ruling to that degree. This is the same reason Horne's statements don't appear in the ruling.

You have an ongoing habit of deception that is a universal trait of leftist/progressives. When the facts don't match up with your viewpoint, first berate the messenger, next berate the website, next twist events or flat out make things up and lastly, attack the information on semantics. Argue what the definition of "is" is.

You can attack me all you wish. You can try to bully and muscle me around as much as makes you happy. It's water off a duck's back. The only people that have any potential of getting under my skin here are those I have respect for. My level of respect for you is lower than whale shit.

Everything I said was factually true. You, on the other hand, lied. You offered a Republican shill who told tales. I responded with the actual court ruling proving that his comments and yours were nowhere in that ruling, contrary to your assertions. So sweetheart, no matter how much you huff and puff and try to change the subject, the fact remains that you're lying and I'm telling the truth. Just like normal. It is certainly your right to remain in ignorant denial, but don't kid yourself that you're fooling anyone but yourself and few other equally useless GOP sock puppets.


BTW, the reason Horne's comments are nowhere in the ruling is because this case was never about vote fraud. That was simply, factually NOT an issue relevant to this case. It was about states' rights to specify registration criteria and whether the EAC had the right to ignore those criteria. The judge rules the EAC does not have that right. You might know that if you learned to actually read for yourself and think for yourself, instead of relying on GOP puppet masters to think for you.

Clown on, my friend. The P&N village wouldn't be complete without you.

 

[Victorian Gray]

you all are on real good drugs or just plain ignorant! Nobody is denying that there are isolated cases of voter fraud, that is a given. Yet how many times has voter fraud swayed the outcome of an election in the United States?

I see a whole lot of smoke but in reality no fire to speak of....

I think that the point was that the person in question was committing voter fraud in favour of a Republican candidate.