Proof-of-Citizenship Ruling Victory for Honest Vote

[boomerang]

A U.S. District Court Judge has ruled that voter fraud is a significant problem in both Arizona and Kansas. The feds must therefore assist in enforcing voting laws requiring new voters to prove they are U.S. citizens.

Arizona AG Horne: Proof-of-Citizenship Ruling Victory for Honest Vote

"There were over 200 people who swore on jury commissioner forms that they were not citizens who were found to have registered to vote. Now, only about 10 percent of people get these jury forms. So you really have to multiply it by 10, which means that, on this basis alone, there are at least 2,000 people in Arizona who registered fraudulently and we have statewide elections that have been won by less than 2,000 votes," he said.

"So voter fraud is a significant problem and this helps us assure that only American citizens, and not illegal aliens, will vote."

He claimed that there is a liberal media cover-up of voter fraud in Arizona. "The media have been constantly in a — it's especially our newspaper and one of the channels that's connected with the newspaper have been running articles saying that voter fraud is a myth, and they've been defending that by counting how many people were actually prosecuted," Horne said.

"I mentioned earlier to you that over 200 people — which, it came out of a sample of 10 percent so it really means over 2,000 people — were caught having registered to vote and then swearing on a commissioner form that they were not citizens. In the trial, it came out that of those 200 people, only 10 were prosecuted because local county attorneys have robbery, rape, murder, all kinds of serious crimes to deal with and limited resources so they don't necessarily give a high priority to prosecuting voter fraud cases."

Horne continued, "But the evidence at the trial proved that voter fraud is a serious problem and the number of prosecutions is a completely false metric, and they're using that to cover up the problem and make people falsely believe that voter fraud is not a serious problem when, in fact, we have a federal district judge that listened to evidence for six days and concluded that it is a serious problem."

 

[UberNeuman]

Oh, look! It's Newsmax!

\isn't that adorable?

 

[Jhhnn]

OoooH! OOOOOOh! They're dragging out the xenophobic voter fraud boogeyman, again! Just in time to turn the Faithful all frothy for the election.

How many of those erroneously registered actually voted? How much of that is just processing error at the DMV?

How many of those people actually voted in the last election?

OTOH, Why would you want to know that if it interferes with the conspiracy theory narrative?

 

[unixwizzard]

Oh, look! It's Newsmax!

\isn't that adorable?

is USA Today an acceptable source? http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-proof-of-citizenship-kansas-arizona/6614245/

how about The Washington Times and The Washington Post? http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/19/ruling-lets-states-require-proof-of-citizenship-fr/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...adb826-afa2-11e3-9627-c65021d6d572_story.html

Surely Politico and Slate are acceptable since both supply multiple talking head "contributors" to MSNBC

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under...-proof-of-citizenship-requirement-185385.html

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2...o_demand_proof_of_citizenship_for_voting.html

I guess when one cannot credibly argue against a topic or story, demonize it based on who reported it.

I'm actually surprised that Slate and Politico covered it.

 

[UberNeuman]

snip.

I don't run to a dog whistle, baby boy... You're free to do so....

 

[IronWing]

AG Horne is not an acceptable source. He's a crook.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Horne#Controversies

 

[Zaap]

LOL. I predict this thread will draw every single one of the forum halfwits who've been stupidly jumping up and down screaming "no such thing as voter fraud!!!!!!" for so long they can't help but look like utter dumbasses and default to denial mode the second anyone ever uncovers any. And lo and behold, a few of the worst have already jumped in with their usual argument of; "Nuh uh!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Now it's "Every single news source is lying!!!!!!!" It cant possibly be that insisting without a shred of proof that something couldn't possibly be happening was a completely boneheaded position to take.

Too funny!

 

[Greenman]

Oh, look! It's Newsmax!

\isn't that adorable?

From your response, I assume newsmax has published false stories in the past? I don't know anything about them, other than what the name implies.

 

[UberNeuman]

LOL. I predict this thread will draw every single one of the forum halfwits who've been stupidly jumping up and down screaming "no such thing as voter fraud!!!!!!" for so long they can't help but look like utter dumbasses and default to denial mode the second anyone ever uncovers any. And lo and behold, a few of the worst have already jumped in with their usual argument of; "Nuh uh!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Now it's "Every single news source is lying!!!!!!!" It cant possibly be that insisting without a shred of proof that something couldn't possibly be happening was a completely boneheaded position to take.

Too funny!

No one has ever offered there is no voter fraud; just not in the measure you "wingers" keep whining about...

Your hyperbolic spaz out was quite enjoyable...

\there's fraud in everything...

 

[Victorian Gray]

Not one of the articles posted mentions actual, documented, voter fraud. Odd that....

 

[Thebobo]

Not one of the articles posted mentions actual, documented, voter fraud. Odd that....

We'll send in Colon Powl to make the case then! :whiste:

 

[ivwshane]

LOL. I predict this thread will draw every single one of the forum halfwits who've been stupidly jumping up and down screaming "no such thing as voter fraud!!!!!!" for so long they can't help but look like utter dumbasses and default to denial mode the second anyone ever uncovers any. And lo and behold, a few of the worst have already jumped in with their usual argument of; "Nuh uh!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Now it's "Every single news source is lying!!!!!!!" It cant possibly be that insisting without a shred of proof that something couldn't possibly be happening was a completely boneheaded position to take.

Too funny!

Wait was this ruled in favor of the state because there was voter fraud or because it was determined that the state had a right to require proof of citizenship in an effort to prevent fraud?

Depending on your answer and whether you answer the question honestly, it could be you who ends up looking like a fool.

I'm sure you will ignore this post though, you can't have that bubble of yours popped

 

[boomerang]

I don't run to a dog whistle, baby boy... You're free to do so....

Oh yeah, you run. Your very presence in this thread means you're essentially making the argument that non-citizens should be able to vote. This, after you initially attacked the source of the post in a juvenile attempt to negate it. You're invested in this thread with three posts to date. This a big scary issue for you.

 

[boomerang]

is USA Today an acceptable source? http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-proof-of-citizenship-kansas-arizona/6614245/

how about The Washington Times and The Washington Post? http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/19/ruling-lets-states-require-proof-of-citizenship-fr/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...adb826-afa2-11e3-9627-c65021d6d572_story.html

Surely Politico and Slate are acceptable since both supply multiple talking head "contributors" to MSNBC

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under...-proof-of-citizenship-requirement-185385.html

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2...o_demand_proof_of_citizenship_for_voting.html

I guess when one cannot credibly argue against a topic or story, demonize it based on who reported it.

I'm actually surprised that Slate and Politico covered it.

This bunch of halfwits doesn't consider anything news unless it's on The Daily Show. They've actually linked to segments of it in threads.

 

[Jhhnn]

LOL. I predict this thread will draw every single one of the forum halfwits who've been stupidly jumping up and down screaming "no such thing as voter fraud!!!!!!" for so long they can't help but look like utter dumbasses and default to denial mode the second anyone ever uncovers any. And lo and behold, a few of the worst have already jumped in with their usual argument of; "Nuh uh!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Now it's "Every single news source is lying!!!!!!!" It cant possibly be that insisting without a shred of proof that something couldn't possibly be happening was a completely boneheaded position to take.

Too funny!

As I offered, nice and frothy, foaming at the mouth irrational. The whole voter fraud spiel plays beautifully into the persecution complex of the usual fringewhacks, like Birtherism. That clearly includes you.

How many of the people erroneously registered to vote actually did so in the last election?

Were they actually non-citizens, or did they just say so to avoid jury duty?

Is every news source lying, or are they just quoting liars that you desperately want to believe?

Once again, you prove that Knowledge is the enemy of Faith, confusing states' rights with some sort of actual reason for exercising them, exactly as your handlers intended.

 

[Jhhnn]

Oh yeah, you run. Your very presence in this thread means you're essentially making the argument that non-citizens should be able to vote. This, after you initially attacked the source of the post in a juvenile attempt to negate it. You're invested in this thread with three posts to date. This a big scary issue for you.

Nice false attribution, par for the course.

How much straw will you need to stuff into that empty suit to get it to stand up on its own?

 

[boomerang]

Nice false attribution, par for the course.

How much straw will you need to stuff into that empty suit to get it to stand up on its own?

Jhhnn, your words became meaningless to me a long, long time ago. It took years for the rest of the gang here to catch on but they have. Your contributions here amount to little more than a fart in the wind.

OoooH! OOOOOOh! They're dragging out the xenophobic voter fraud boogeyman, again! Just in time to turn the Faithful all frothy for the election.

That's right baby. It's called fighting fire with fire. We're not going to stop until there is Koch brothers money in the pocket of every conservative candidate. We're going to win elections the Democrat way. We're going to use every dirty trick in the book and stuff every ballot box. We'll have KKK members stationed at polling places. Every Republican Secretary of State is going to count the votes as they see fit and we're going to put the Republican version of Al Franken in every Senate seat possible. The end justifies the means. The times they are a-changin'.

 

[Meghan54]

Jhhnn, your words became meaningless to me a long, long time ago. It took years for the rest of the gang here to catch on but they have. Your contributions here amount to little more than a fart in the wind.

That's right baby. It's called fighting fire with fire. We're not going to stop until there is Koch brothers money in the pocket of every conservative candidate. We're going to win elections the Democrat way. We're going to use every dirty trick in the book and stuff every ballot box. We'll have KKK members stationed at polling places. Every Republican Secretary of State is going to count the votes as they see fit and we're going to put the Republican version of Al Franken in every Senate seat possible. The end justifies the means. The times they are a-changin'.

So, what you're saying is business as usual in politics and nothing's changed.

 

[DominionSeraph]

That's right baby. It's called fighting fire with fire. We're not going to stop until there is Koch brothers money in the pocket of every conservative candidate. We're going to win elections the Democrat way. We're going to use every dirty trick in the book and stuff every ballot box. We'll have KKK members stationed at polling places. Every Republican Secretary of State is going to count the votes as they see fit and we're going to put the Republican version of Al Franken in every Senate seat possible. The end justifies the means. The times they are a-changin'.

Ah, the radicalization of the right. Glad you guys are dying off.

 

[IronWing]

Tom Horne could have investigated folks for possibly lying in order to get out of jury duty but that would have taken time and effort. Using the jury notice data to scream "Voter Fraud!" was so much easier and fit his sleazy politics better.

 

[Bowfinger]

A U.S. District Court Judge has ruled that voter fraud is a significant problem in both Arizona and Kansas. The feds must therefore assist in enforcing voting laws requiring new voters to prove they are U.S. citizens.

Arizona AG Horne: Proof-of-Citizenship Ruling Victory for Honest Vote

LOL. I predict this thread will draw every single one of the forum halfwits who've been stupidly jumping up and down screaming "no such thing as voter fraud!!!!!!" for so long they can't help but look like utter dumbasses and default to denial mode the second anyone ever uncovers any. And lo and behold, a few of the worst have already jumped in with their usual argument of; "Nuh uh!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Now it's "Every single news source is lying!!!!!!!" It cant possibly be that insisting without a shred of proof that something couldn't possibly be happening was a completely boneheaded position to take.

Too funny!

Given the many legitimate sites offering a fact-based report on this ruling, it is quite telling that you turn instead to nutter isolation bubble. It's a free country, and I am happy you found a party flak (Republican AG Horne) to safely tell you what to think. Many of us prefer to do our own thinking, however. If you actually read the judge's ruling, you'll find there's not a word in this decision supporting Horne's yipping about vote fraud. It's a rather dry procedural analysis that reaffirms each state's right to define local voter qualifications and the EAC's responsibility to facilitate those requirements, even when they are more stringent than federal law requires. Sorry, it's not the smoking gun you so desperately crave. Better luck next propaganda piece.

 

[Bowfinger]

LOL. I predict this thread will draw every single one of the forum halfwits ...

Well, here you are, it was a self-fulfilling prophesy.

I'm curious, have you ever posted anything that has come out of your own mind rather than directly from RNC.com? In your relatively short time here, you have consistently been one of the most one-sided partisan hacks here, and a belligerent asshat to boot. Can you think for yourself? Do you have anything of value to contribute, or are you doomed to be yet another useless RNC drone, spouting your little propaganda points in perfect unison with the other brain-washed simpletons?

 

[Jaskalas]

A U.S. District Court Judge has ruled that voter fraud is a significant problem in both Arizona and Kansas. The feds must therefore assist in enforcing voting laws requiring new voters to prove they are U.S. citizens.

Arizona AG Horne: Proof-of-Citizenship Ruling Victory for Honest Vote

Democrats are just upset that people too illegal or incompetent to even have ID won't get to vote. I for one am perfectly happy with a base requirement of being proven eligible, and held accountable if present more than once.

 

[her209]

Something doesn't seem right.

If 200 people swore they are non-citizens on the jury commissioner form and only 10% get the form, the plaintiff calculates that 2000 non-citizens have registered to vote statewide.

Now if those 2000 make up 10% of the registered voters statewide, that means there are only 20,000 registered voters in the state of Arizona?

 

[manimal]

Something doesn't seem right.

If 200 people swore they are non-citizens on the jury commissioner form and only 10% get the form, the plaintiff calculates that 2000 non-citizens have registered to vote statewide.

Now if those 2000 make up 10% of the registered voters statewide, that means there are only 20,000 registered voters in the state of Arizona?

shhh circle jerk in progress. You dont want to get something into your eye.