Proof christianity is "evolving" to accept evolution as FACT!
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Nope it isnt pretend and nope they don't think they are losing any battle they justify it as now being understood as part of gods plan. However they are going to hell of course according to the fundamentalists.
dennilfloss
Past Lifer 1957-2014 In Memoriam
Science is the domain of the mind. Faith is the domain of the heart and soul. They are separate and complementary. One does not acquire faith through reason and deduction, one feels it from within.
As a Catholic paleontologist, I accept evolution. In fact, paleontology and biology need evolution to make sense.
As a Catholic paleontologist, I accept evolution. In fact, paleontology and biology need evolution to make sense.
How can you consider yourself a Christian if you cannot accept the basic tenth of Christianity; that god created man in his own image?
dennilfloss
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angminas
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There's no reason why Christianity and science can't coexist. Problem is, not everyone who claims to represent those camps actually does. Many (from my experience, most) so-called Christians rarely or never study the Bible. They don't apply the lessons found therein, even the easy ones. Not all of this is due to their choices, but some is (I won't try to guess how much).
And I always have my eyes open to science. If they want to offer me proof of evolution, the big bang, etc, I'm ready. But they don't. They feed people a lot of half-truths and computer animation and call it science. They find a skeleton of some monkey looking thing and tell us it's conclusive proof there is no God. They watch galaxies move around and decide they can then tell us what happened billions of years ago.
Rubbish. We don't even know what happened down the street, yesterday. No true scientist thinks he really knows what's going on, because nobody who approaches the situation scientifically really does. For instance, many proponents of superstring theory cite the impossibility of building a particle accelerator large enough to test it as a good reason to believe in it. What a crock! So many people are willing to take shortcuts and make assumptions whenever they feel like it, but that's not science.
And I always have my eyes open to science. If they want to offer me proof of evolution, the big bang, etc, I'm ready. But they don't. They feed people a lot of half-truths and computer animation and call it science. They find a skeleton of some monkey looking thing and tell us it's conclusive proof there is no God. They watch galaxies move around and decide they can then tell us what happened billions of years ago.
Rubbish. We don't even know what happened down the street, yesterday. No true scientist thinks he really knows what's going on, because nobody who approaches the situation scientifically really does. For instance, many proponents of superstring theory cite the impossibility of building a particle accelerator large enough to test it as a good reason to believe in it. What a crock! So many people are willing to take shortcuts and make assumptions whenever they feel like it, but that's not science.
This saddens me. These supposed Christians don't even get the Bible right. Shame.
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Romans 1:18-25
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
You can't escape it; there is no middle ground. Accept the Christian faith, and the Bible as its foundation; or accept modern science and its theory.
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Romans 1:18-25
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
You can't escape it; there is no middle ground. Accept the Christian faith, and the Bible as its foundation; or accept modern science and its theory.
dennilfloss; RapidSnail is saying your going to hell. What are you going to do about it, lol.
Fundamentanonameter just went through the roof!
Fundamentalist... Fundament.. Bahahahahahaha
Fundamentanonameter just went through the roof!
Fundamentalist... Fundament.. Bahahahahahaha
Gibson486
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Bleh...this issue is just being argued by people who are not that bright or are just closed minded. fact is that some of the industry leaders in science, while they do not go to church every sunday, do have a belief in some god. What Denniloss said (and I usually disagree with him) is very true.
You might want to clarify your OP/title.
Fact is, the Catholic church allows for the theory of evolution and has for years.
Fact is, the Catholic church allows for the theory of evolution and has for years.
Huh, the focus of that sight is on Christianity not Catholocism althought it is nice to hear that about the catholics.
Well, last time I checked, Catholics were Christians.
I wouldn't have thought it worth mentioning, but others in the thread use them interchangably, so it's worth clarifying, I thought.
Back to this evolving discussion....
I wouldn't have thought it worth mentioning, but others in the thread use them interchangably, so it's worth clarifying, I thought.
Back to this evolving discussion....
thraashman
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Originally posted by: TheTony
Well, last time I checked, Catholics were Christians.
I wouldn't have thought it worth mentioning, but others in the thread use them interchangably, so it's worth clarifying, I thought.
Back to this evolving discussion....
Yep, Catholics are christians and are the single largest sect of Christianity and in fact the single largest sect of ANY religion in the world.
Originally posted by: TheTony
Well, last time I checked, Catholics were Christians.
I wouldn't have thought it worth mentioning, but others in the thread use them interchangably, so it's worth clarifying, I thought.
Back to this evolving discussion....
I would believe otherwise, but it all depends on your definition of Christian.
Evolution and creationism are not at odds, as dennifloss alluded to.
Evolution is simply a mechanism and means for creation IMO.
The bible says absolutely nothing about how "creation" was actually accomplished... i.e. by what physical and biological phenomena did creation occur. That man evolved from lesser organisms is no less miraculous to me than if he 'poofed' out of thin air or rose up out of the dust.
Christians run into all kinds of problems when they try to literally interpret Genesis. Genesis is metaphor and poetry just like Revelations, many of Psalms, the Song of Solomon, etc.
For instance, to think God literally cast out two people named Adam and Eve out of the 'garden of Eden' for eating a piece of fruit is completely naive. Moreover, it a position which is ignorant of the position and teaching of the early church which is well documented.
The sooner we Christians as a whole gets this through our collective thick heads, the better.
Evolution is simply a mechanism and means for creation IMO.
The bible says absolutely nothing about how "creation" was actually accomplished... i.e. by what physical and biological phenomena did creation occur. That man evolved from lesser organisms is no less miraculous to me than if he 'poofed' out of thin air or rose up out of the dust.
Christians run into all kinds of problems when they try to literally interpret Genesis. Genesis is metaphor and poetry just like Revelations, many of Psalms, the Song of Solomon, etc.
For instance, to think God literally cast out two people named Adam and Eve out of the 'garden of Eden' for eating a piece of fruit is completely naive. Moreover, it a position which is ignorant of the position and teaching of the early church which is well documented.
The sooner we Christians as a whole gets this through our collective thick heads, the better.
Christians do not consider themselves catholics. How do I know this; I have lived with christians my entire life and they think catholics are going to hell. Catholics however it is true do consider themselves christians, lol.
And who are you to say that the account of creation, Adam and Eve, and the garden of Eden weren't literal? Why is there a problem with it?
Are all rectangles squares? No. Are all squares rectangles? Now substitute Christians with w/ rectangles and squares with Catholics. Yes. Catholicism is a subsection of Christianity, albeit a very large one.
And the Protestants will pretty much do anything to dump on Catholicism.
Because the Bible tells us that God created the heavens and the earth, the he created Adam, that he created Eve, and that he placed them in the garden of Eden. He does not provide one hint, at all, that it was a parable or allegory. The Bible also traces the lineage of Christ back to Adam, claiming him the first living man; something that cannot be denied unless you wish to place God a liar.
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