Profit-rich Toyota threatens Big Three

[isekii]

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
Maybe this'll inspire Honda to build a friggin' V8...

why would they need to ?
they have no problems moving their cars with V6's
I dont see the purpose of them building V8's .

I'm sure they'll find a way to tune a V6 to provide V8 hp numbers... can't say the same about torque tho.

and Honda isn't into the Gas Guzzling scene the the American counterpart.

Why do US automakers bring out bigger Gas guzzlers ?
what do they have to prove ? Why not make something more economical.
With gas prices on the incline who would want a Gas guzzler in the long run ?
I really don't see their marketing scheme of things

 

[Tom]

On the other hand I got horrible service from German make dealers and have had great service from Chrysler dealers, lately anyway.

 

[Leetman]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: isekii I think it's more of a Quality control issue.
Majority of the Toyotas are built here, but they don't suffer from poor reliability as the Domestic US cars, why is that ?

that makes me wonder.

Lexus Service bend over backwards to please it's customers. That tells you that they are very anal about pleasing their customers in every way possible.
I don't recall any Domestic Luxury service doing anything like that or even getting any recognition for it.

From experience Domestic service sucks pretty bad...my parents had alot of Caddys and also a few lincolns and the service was pretty poor, German dealers on the other hand are very responsive and rather friendly...I used to work for a Saab dealer and I have yet to visit another dealer that provided as good of service as that one dealership I worked at...they really cared about their customer and it showed with the repeat business they got.

Yeah the Mercedes dealership does give really good service, the Chevrolet one hasn't been exceptional or bad, but they seem to get the job done. I have no idea on the other ones.

 

[UNCjigga]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
Maybe this'll inspire Honda to build a friggin' V8...

why would they need to ?
they have no problems moving their cars with V6's
I dont see the purpose of them building V8's .

I'm sure they'll find a way to tune a V6 to provide V8 hp numbers... can't say the same about torque tho.

and Honda isn't into the Gas Guzzling scene the the American counterpart.

Why do US automakers bring out bigger Gas guzzlers ?
what do they have to prove ? Why not make something more economical.
With gas prices on the incline who would want a Gas guzzler in the long run ?
I really don't see their marketing scheme of things

That article said Toyota's profits came primarily from North America. I'm gonna venture that these profits came in the light truck segment (pickups, SUVs etc.) Toyota's got two pickups (Tacoma and Tundra) and a whole onslaught of SUVs (RAV4, Highlander, 4Runner, Sequoia, Land Cruiser/LX470, RX330, GX470, I could've forgotten one...) Their larger SUVs sell on the strength of their iForce V8. These flagships bring folks to the dealerships. Honda should learn...

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
Maybe this'll inspire Honda to build a friggin' V8...

why would they need to ?
they have no problems moving their cars with V6's
I dont see the purpose of them building V8's .

I'm sure they'll find a way to tune a V6 to provide V8 hp numbers... can't say the same about torque tho.

and Honda isn't into the Gas Guzzling scene the the American counterpart.

Why do US automakers bring out bigger Gas guzzlers ?
what do they have to prove ? Why not make something more economical.
With gas prices on the incline who would want a Gas guzzler in the long run ?
I really don't see their marketing scheme of things

That article said Toyota's profits came primarily from North America. I'm gonna venture that these profits came in the light truck segment (pickups, SUVs etc.) Toyota's got two pickups (Tacoma and Tundra) and a whole onslaught of SUVs (RAV4, Highlander, 4Runner, Sequoia, Land Cruiser/LX470, RX330, GX470, I could've forgotten one...) Their larger SUVs sell on the strength of their iForce V8. These flagships bring folks to the dealerships. Honda should learn...

hm... it would take some time for honda to build up a SUV/Pickup market.. The newer SUV Honda has is the Pilot ... which I think is a good start. but their previous ( Honda Passport ) was utter crap.
CR-V has been a success tho.
I just don't see honda in the SUV/Truck scene

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
Maybe this'll inspire Honda to build a friggin' V8...

why would they need to ?
they have no problems moving their cars with V6's
I dont see the purpose of them building V8's .

I'm sure they'll find a way to tune a V6 to provide V8 hp numbers... can't say the same about torque tho.

and Honda isn't into the Gas Guzzling scene the the American counterpart.

Why do US automakers bring out bigger Gas guzzlers ?
what do they have to prove ? Why not make something more economical.
With gas prices on the incline who would want a Gas guzzler in the long run ?
I really don't see their marketing scheme of things

That article said Toyota's profits came primarily from North America. I'm gonna venture that these profits came in the light truck segment (pickups, SUVs etc.) Toyota's got two pickups (Tacoma and Tundra) and a whole onslaught of SUVs (RAV4, Highlander, 4Runner, Sequoia, Land Cruiser/LX470, RX330, GX470, I could've forgotten one...) Their larger SUVs sell on the strength of their iForce V8. These flagships bring folks to the dealerships. Honda should learn...

hm... it would take some time for honda to build up a SUV/Pickup market.. The newer SUV Honda has is the Pilot ... which I think is a good start. but their previous ( Honda Passport ) was utter crap.
CR-V has been a success tho.
I just don't see honda in the SUV/Truck scene

Yup, and the V8's in the LS430/GS430 sell too.

What about Acura's "flagship" V6-powered RL sedan. What a joke!

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
Maybe this'll inspire Honda to build a friggin' V8...

why would they need to ?
they have no problems moving their cars with V6's
I dont see the purpose of them building V8's .

I'm sure they'll find a way to tune a V6 to provide V8 hp numbers... can't say the same about torque tho.

and Honda isn't into the Gas Guzzling scene the the American counterpart.

Why do US automakers bring out bigger Gas guzzlers ?
what do they have to prove ? Why not make something more economical.
With gas prices on the incline who would want a Gas guzzler in the long run ?
I really don't see their marketing scheme of things

That article said Toyota's profits came primarily from North America. I'm gonna venture that these profits came in the light truck segment (pickups, SUVs etc.) Toyota's got two pickups (Tacoma and Tundra) and a whole onslaught of SUVs (RAV4, Highlander, 4Runner, Sequoia, Land Cruiser/LX470, RX330, GX470, I could've forgotten one...) Their larger SUVs sell on the strength of their iForce V8. These flagships bring folks to the dealerships. Honda should learn...

Unlike Toyota, Honda doesn't have a ton of $$$ to spent of developing a brand new V8 (something that they never done before), nor do they have experience building large truck/suv. If they have to made the choice of spending money for V8 development, for venturing to an unknown area, or to channel the funding toward their I4 & V6 R&D, which is their main bread & butter, I would do the same as well. The success of the MDX does show that they can build great SUV though, so who knows.

 

[UNCjigga]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
Maybe this'll inspire Honda to build a friggin' V8...

why would they need to ?
they have no problems moving their cars with V6's
I dont see the purpose of them building V8's .

I'm sure they'll find a way to tune a V6 to provide V8 hp numbers... can't say the same about torque tho.

and Honda isn't into the Gas Guzzling scene the the American counterpart.

Why do US automakers bring out bigger Gas guzzlers ?
what do they have to prove ? Why not make something more economical.
With gas prices on the incline who would want a Gas guzzler in the long run ?
I really don't see their marketing scheme of things

That article said Toyota's profits came primarily from North America. I'm gonna venture that these profits came in the light truck segment (pickups, SUVs etc.) Toyota's got two pickups (Tacoma and Tundra) and a whole onslaught of SUVs (RAV4, Highlander, 4Runner, Sequoia, Land Cruiser/LX470, RX330, GX470, I could've forgotten one...) Their larger SUVs sell on the strength of their iForce V8. These flagships bring folks to the dealerships. Honda should learn...

hm... it would take some time for honda to build up a SUV/Pickup market.. The newer SUV Honda has is the Pilot ... which I think is a good start. but their previous ( Honda Passport ) was utter crap.
CR-V has been a success tho.
I just don't see honda in the SUV/Truck scene

Why not? I can TOTALLY see Honda in the pickup scene. What's the biggest selling point for the Accord? RELIABILITY. Its a workhorse that gets you from A to B without complaining. What do folks look for in a pickup truck? A workhorse that won't let you down. As long as Honda can build a heavy-duty tranny and a decent V8 (or V6 hybrid with enough torque) they'll be set...

 

[dethman]

Originally posted by: Leetman
All riceburners suck, including Toyotas.

ah the idiot boys are at work here.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: rufruf44

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
Maybe this'll inspire Honda to build a friggin' V8...

why would they need to ?
they have no problems moving their cars with V6's
I dont see the purpose of them building V8's .

I'm sure they'll find a way to tune a V6 to provide V8 hp numbers... can't say the same about torque tho.

and Honda isn't into the Gas Guzzling scene the the American counterpart.

Why do US automakers bring out bigger Gas guzzlers ?
what do they have to prove ? Why not make something more economical.
With gas prices on the incline who would want a Gas guzzler in the long run ?
I really don't see their marketing scheme of things

That article said Toyota's profits came primarily from North America. I'm gonna venture that these profits came in the light truck segment (pickups, SUVs etc.) Toyota's got two pickups (Tacoma and Tundra) and a whole onslaught of SUVs (RAV4, Highlander, 4Runner, Sequoia, Land Cruiser/LX470, RX330, GX470, I could've forgotten one...) Their larger SUVs sell on the strength of their iForce V8. These flagships bring folks to the dealerships. Honda should learn...

Unlike Toyota, Honda doesn't have a ton of $$$ to spent of developing a brand new V8 (something that they never done before), nor do they have experience building large truck/suv. If they have to made the choice of spending money for V8 development, for venturing to an unknown area, or to channel the funding toward their I4 & V6 R&D, which is their main bread & butter, I would do the same as well. The success of the MDX does show that they can build great SUV though, so who knows.

Are you sure Honda doesn't have the $$$ to spend on R&D? I'm pretty sure they do. But Honda spends a lot of money on non-automotive projects as well, such as robots and the like. Plus they made themselves from engineering small displacement engines, also they have make money in the small-motor industry as well (which I'm sure is quite profitable, not as much as autos, but still profitable).

 

[UNCjigga]

Originally posted by: dethman

Originally posted by: Leetman
All riceburners suck, including Toyotas.

ah the idiot boys are at work here.

workin here...cuz they don't have jobs (and they have to blame every single immigrant and foreign icon for that fact.)

 

[Tom]

"Honda doesn't have a ton of $$$ to spent of developing a brand new V8"

Doesn't Honda use a V8 in the IRL and in the past in CART ? If so I don't think they need to start from scratch. It's probably more they haven't gotten into any models large enough that they need a V8.

 

[UNCjigga]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: rufruf44

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
Maybe this'll inspire Honda to build a friggin' V8...

why would they need to ?
they have no problems moving their cars with V6's
I dont see the purpose of them building V8's .

I'm sure they'll find a way to tune a V6 to provide V8 hp numbers... can't say the same about torque tho.

and Honda isn't into the Gas Guzzling scene the the American counterpart.

Why do US automakers bring out bigger Gas guzzlers ?
what do they have to prove ? Why not make something more economical.
With gas prices on the incline who would want a Gas guzzler in the long run ?
I really don't see their marketing scheme of things

That article said Toyota's profits came primarily from North America. I'm gonna venture that these profits came in the light truck segment (pickups, SUVs etc.) Toyota's got two pickups (Tacoma and Tundra) and a whole onslaught of SUVs (RAV4, Highlander, 4Runner, Sequoia, Land Cruiser/LX470, RX330, GX470, I could've forgotten one...) Their larger SUVs sell on the strength of their iForce V8. These flagships bring folks to the dealerships. Honda should learn...

Unlike Toyota, Honda doesn't have a ton of $$$ to spent of developing a brand new V8 (something that they never done before), nor do they have experience building large truck/suv. If they have to made the choice of spending money for V8 development, for venturing to an unknown area, or to channel the funding toward their I4 & V6 R&D, which is their main bread & butter, I would do the same as well. The success of the MDX does show that they can build great SUV though, so who knows.

Are you sure Honda doesn't have the $$$ to spend on R&D? I'm pretty sure they do. But Honda spends a lot of money on non-automotive projects as well, such as robots and the like. Plus they made themselves from engineering small displacement engines, also they have make money in the small-motor industry as well (which I'm sure is quite profitable, not as much as autos, but still profitable).

And...they DO have a V8 :camera:

 

[Tom]

Thanks for the pic. That's what I was talking about.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: rufruf44

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
Maybe this'll inspire Honda to build a friggin' V8...

why would they need to ?
they have no problems moving their cars with V6's
I dont see the purpose of them building V8's .

I'm sure they'll find a way to tune a V6 to provide V8 hp numbers... can't say the same about torque tho.

and Honda isn't into the Gas Guzzling scene the the American counterpart.

Why do US automakers bring out bigger Gas guzzlers ?
what do they have to prove ? Why not make something more economical.
With gas prices on the incline who would want a Gas guzzler in the long run ?
I really don't see their marketing scheme of things

That article said Toyota's profits came primarily from North America. I'm gonna venture that these profits came in the light truck segment (pickups, SUVs etc.) Toyota's got two pickups (Tacoma and Tundra) and a whole onslaught of SUVs (RAV4, Highlander, 4Runner, Sequoia, Land Cruiser/LX470, RX330, GX470, I could've forgotten one...) Their larger SUVs sell on the strength of their iForce V8. These flagships bring folks to the dealerships. Honda should learn...

Unlike Toyota, Honda doesn't have a ton of $$$ to spent of developing a brand new V8 (something that they never done before), nor do they have experience building large truck/suv. If they have to made the choice of spending money for V8 development, for venturing to an unknown area, or to channel the funding toward their I4 & V6 R&D, which is their main bread & butter, I would do the same as well. The success of the MDX does show that they can build great SUV though, so who knows.

Are you sure Honda doesn't have the $$$ to spend on R&D? I'm pretty sure they do. But Honda spends a lot of money on non-automotive projects as well, such as robots and the like. Plus they made themselves from engineering small displacement engines, also they have make money in the small-motor industry as well (which I'm sure is quite profitable, not as much as autos, but still profitable).

And...they DO have a V8 :camera:

I know but those are motorsport engines. They also have turboed V10 that made over 1000hp reliably and won dozens of F1 races in the late 80s. I think they dominated the same way Ferrari dominated last season. Too bad now they are in the pits.

 

[Freejack2]

Nice to know we Americans paid 8 billion to the Japanese last year. :disgust:

 

[human2k]

ToyotaSoft?



Toyota Camry XP?

 

[Ryan]

Honda will not build a V8 because it goes against one of the companies core values - to build vehicles that are good on gas. A V8 would ruin that. YOu'll be more likely to see a V6 coupled with an electric motor LONG before you see a V8 in a honda vehicle.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Leetman
Edited my old post to be more clear.

I guess it's just a matter of opinion, but I like Chevy's much better than I like Hondas/toyotas/etc.

Lexus does have the ability to please for me, but the others just don't do much for me.

I have a 1998 Toyota Corolla CE with 123,000+ miles. Runs great..drives great..and can hit ~40mpg on the highway. I'm very happy..and I doubt I would find too many domestics that would do as well as my Corolla has.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: Leetman
Edited my old post to be more clear.

I guess it's just a matter of opinion, but I like Chevy's much better than I like Hondas/toyotas/etc.

Lexus does have the ability to please for me, but the others just don't do much for me.

I have a 1998 Toyota Corolla CE with 123,000+ miles. Runs great..drives great..and can hit ~40mpg on the highway. I'm very happy..and I doubt I would find too many domestics that would do as well as my Corolla has.

'98 with 123k miles??? GAWD DAMN!!!:Q

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: Leetman
Edited my old post to be more clear.

I guess it's just a matter of opinion, but I like Chevy's much better than I like Hondas/toyotas/etc.

Lexus does have the ability to please for me, but the others just don't do much for me.

I have a 1998 Toyota Corolla CE with 123,000+ miles. Runs great..drives great..and can hit ~40mpg on the highway. I'm very happy..and I doubt I would find too many domestics that would do as well as my Corolla has.

'98 with 123k miles??? GAWD DAMN!!!:Q

..and still pretty as ever..sorta..if you like it, anyways pic

Runs great..going to give it a tuneup soon..bought a serpentine belt, spark plugs & brake pads/shoes..has a timing chain (still runs perfectly), so I don't have to worry about that yet

 

[Sluggo]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Leetman
They may run well and all, but their looks/comfort level just does not meet the same standards as american and european cars.

Bullsh!t (at least compared to American cars).

Chevy can't match Toyota in cars.
Lincoln/Chrysler/Cadillac can't match Lexus in cars.

THAT is a fact

That is your opinion, nothing more, nothing less. Being your opinion in no way makes it a fact.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Sluggo

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Leetman
They may run well and all, but their looks/comfort level just does not meet the same standards as american and european cars.

Bullsh!t (at least compared to American cars).

Chevy can't match Toyota in cars.
Lincoln/Chrysler/Cadillac can't match Lexus in cars.

THAT is a fact

That is your opinion, nothing more, nothing less. Being your opinion in no way makes it a fact.

Quality & reliability don't lie. Just look at the JD power rankings for lexus compared to 2nd place Cadillac.

And if you're going to sit here and say that Lexus or Toyota is lower quality than Cadillac or Chevy, you're lyingto yourself

 

[Tom]

Didn' JD Power have sometihng to do with Enron ?
:Q

edit- I think I was thinking of someone else, sorry.

 

[Sluggo]

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: Leetman
Edited my old post to be more clear.

I guess it's just a matter of opinion, but I like Chevy's much better than I like Hondas/toyotas/etc.

Lexus does have the ability to please for me, but the others just don't do much for me.

I have a 1998 Toyota Corolla CE with 123,000+ miles. Runs great..drives great..and can hit ~40mpg on the highway. I'm very happy..and I doubt I would find too many domestics that would do as well as my Corolla has.

I have a 1999 Expedition that turned 105,000 miles today. Still runs and drives great, no problems at all. It wont quite get to 40MPG on the highway, but it does have a few other attributes.