Profit-rich Toyota threatens Big Three

[Sluggo]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Sluggo

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Leetman
They may run well and all, but their looks/comfort level just does not meet the same standards as american and european cars.

Bullsh!t (at least compared to American cars).

Chevy can't match Toyota in cars.
Lincoln/Chrysler/Cadillac can't match Lexus in cars.

THAT is a fact

That is your opinion, nothing more, nothing less. Being your opinion in no way makes it a fact.

Quality & reliability don't lie. Just look at the JD power rankings for lexus compared to 2nd place Cadillac.

And if you're going to sit here and say that Lexus or Toyota is lower quality than Cadillac or Chevy, you're lyingto yourself

I think you are kidding yourself if you think 10% of car buyers even look at JD Powers before buying a car. They see a car they like driving down the road, and then they see if their budget can handle the payment. Thats the whole buying process for most people.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Sluggo

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Sluggo

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Leetman
They may run well and all, but their looks/comfort level just does not meet the same standards as american and european cars.

Bullsh!t (at least compared to American cars).

Chevy can't match Toyota in cars.
Lincoln/Chrysler/Cadillac can't match Lexus in cars.

THAT is a fact

That is your opinion, nothing more, nothing less. Being your opinion in no way makes it a fact.

Quality & reliability don't lie. Just look at the JD power rankings for lexus compared to 2nd place Cadillac.

And if you're going to sit here and say that Lexus or Toyota is lower quality than Cadillac or Chevy, you're lyingto yourself

I think you are kidding yourself if you think 10% of car buyers even look at JD Powers before buying a car. They see a car they like driving down the road, and then they see if their budget can handle the payment. Thats the whole buying process for most people.

And Americans' budgets put out more for Camrys/Accords & Corollas/Civics than they do Impalas/Malibus & Cavaliers/Sunfires. Most American's don't mind spending more for a better product.

Look at the sales of the Hondas/Toyotas, then look at their build quality/features/ergonomics/interior materials/safety equipment/etc. There is NO comparison. Hell, the Cavilier is riding on a platform that dates back to '95. Impala's platform goes back to the mid 90's.

Honda/Toyota has the resources/drive to update their platforms every 5 years with refreshes every 3. That's what KEEPS them on top and in the mind of the American buyer

 

[Hamburgerpimp]

I helped with those sales on my recent Toyota purchase.

 

[dc]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Me I'm boycotting English goods because of King George. That bastard didn't want us going free. And don't tell me that something that happened 200 years ago isn't just like boycotting sweatshops in business today. My hate justifies anything and makes even absurdities look rational.

Get in the real world and boycott something that makes sense. Your old hate is insane. That's a political opinion I'm expressing to you. You have every right to be a nut cake. I just what to point it out. The times long passed to harbor such stupid ancient grievances. How much killing does it take, how many race religious and ethnic wars do there have to be before you see that you are the cause, you who hate. Modern Japan actuall learned something from the sins of their past as did the Germans. And the victoms want revenge, want to wipe out all that hard won wisdom because they themselves have not learned.

if only that were true. the government has basicly pretended it never happened. different from how germany is apologetic for their past crimes.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Hamburgerpimp
I helped with those sales on my recent Toyota purchase.

What did ya get if I may ask?

 

[Wolverine27]

Big Toyota/Lexus fan here...we've got a 2002 RX300, a 2000 Avalon XLS and a 94 Camry XLE.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: dc

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Me I'm boycotting English goods because of King George. That bastard didn't want us going free. And don't tell me that something that happened 200 years ago isn't just like boycotting sweatshops in business today. My hate justifies anything and makes even absurdities look rational.

Get in the real world and boycott something that makes sense. Your old hate is insane. That's a political opinion I'm expressing to you. You have every right to be a nut cake. I just what to point it out. The times long passed to harbor such stupid ancient grievances. How much killing does it take, how many race religious and ethnic wars do there have to be before you see that you are the cause, you who hate. Modern Japan actuall learned something from the sins of their past as did the Germans. And the victoms want revenge, want to wipe out all that hard won wisdom because they themselves have not learned.

if only that were true. the government has basicly pretended it never happened. different from how germany is apologetic for their past crimes.

they don't care about the sins of the japanese govt. the fact that the japanese govt even today flat out denys ANY wrong doing. they claim they never surrendered but was offered a PEACE treaty.

But all that don't mean jack sh!t as long as they make good cars. who cares. let's pretend it never happened too.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Sluggo

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Leetman
They may run well and all, but their looks/comfort level just does not meet the same standards as american and european cars.

Bullsh!t (at least compared to American cars).

Chevy can't match Toyota in cars.
Lincoln/Chrysler/Cadillac can't match Lexus in cars.

THAT is a fact

That is your opinion, nothing more, nothing less. Being your opinion in no way makes it a fact.

Quality & reliability don't lie. Just look at the JD power rankings for lexus compared to 2nd place Cadillac.

And if you're going to sit here and say that Lexus or Toyota is lower quality than Cadillac or Chevy, you're lyingto yourself

What does quality and reliability have to do with looks and comfort level?

 

[Staples]

Chrysler really need to fix the reliability issues on their cars. Either they have some really bad engineers working there or they are undercutting the budget. It is of course the second of the two. If they had someone like me as their CEO, I think I could fix many of their problems.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Sluggo

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Leetman They may run well and all, but their looks/comfort level just does not meet the same standards as american and european cars.

Bullsh!t (at least compared to American cars). Chevy can't match Toyota in cars. Lincoln/Chrysler/Cadillac can't match Lexus in cars. THAT is a fact

That is your opinion, nothing more, nothing less. Being your opinion in no way makes it a fact.

Quality & reliability don't lie. Just look at the JD power rankings for lexus compared to 2nd place Cadillac. And if you're going to sit here and say that Lexus or Toyota is lower quality than Cadillac or Chevy, you're lyingto yourself

What does quality and reliability have to do with looks and comfort level?

What in the hell does quality mean too you? In the JD Power survey, comfort is included in quality.

 

[Staples]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
They are opening up a plant in San Antonio next year. Don't know what part of their product line they are planning on manufacturing here and I don't care either.

They pay pretty well but everyone in this city is applying for a job. The factory will not open till 2005-6 and they will be making trucks.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Sluggo

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Leetman They may run well and all, but their looks/comfort level just does not meet the same standards as american and european cars.

Bullsh!t (at least compared to American cars). Chevy can't match Toyota in cars. Lincoln/Chrysler/Cadillac can't match Lexus in cars. THAT is a fact

That is your opinion, nothing more, nothing less. Being your opinion in no way makes it a fact.

Quality & reliability don't lie. Just look at the JD power rankings for lexus compared to 2nd place Cadillac. And if you're going to sit here and say that Lexus or Toyota is lower quality than Cadillac or Chevy, you're lyingto yourself

What does quality and reliability have to do with looks and comfort level?

What in the hell does quality mean too you? In the JD Power survey, comfort is included in quality.

OK, now what? What does initial quality (number of defects) have to do with comfort? Just because something isn't defective doesn't mean it's comfortable.
You can have a seat that is not defective, but also not comfortable by design. I wouldn't call Corolla's seats comfortable, but it is a reliable car.

 

[Zee]

you know u dont even have to climb the ladder all the way upto lexus. Even 'regular' toyota's like the Avalon regulates and holds their own

 

[SuperTool]

2003 Camry
2003 Impala

3 things to notice:
1. the picture for 2003 camry still shows 2002 model
2. Camry has 3/5 dots for overall quality (Doesn't really stand out)
3. Impala has 4/5 dots for overall quality ( Better than most)

So what does that tell you?

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
2003 Camry 2003 Impala 3 things to notice: 1. the picture for 2003 camry still shows 2002 model 2. Camry has 3/5 dots for overall quality (Doesn't really stand out) 3. Impala has 4/5 dots for overall quality ( Better than most) So what does that tell you?

Just wait another year and let toyota work out the probs. The Impala is older, Chevy has had a few years to fix it's problems.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
2003 Camry
2003 Impala

3 things to notice:
1. the picture for 2003 camry still shows 2002 model
2. Camry has 3/5 dots for overall quality (Doesn't really stand out)
3. Impala has 4/5 dots for overall quality ( Better than most)

So what does that tell you?

J. D. Power got paid more by GM than Toyota..??? The responses filed indicate as defined... but, that does not actually depict the actual quality.. but, they are American built (toyotas) so maybe they are slippy.
Do you follow formula 1? or Cart or IRL there is the state of the art in automotive technology... but, I don't have the 3mil nor can I drive 200mph down 101. So, if I were to get a new vehicle it would be something to drop this 427 ford sohc into maybe one of those plastic cobras.. nah too cheap looking... I know a '65 mustang... won't fit though... '69 stang... yeah.... 4mpg and all.... all right..

 

[Sluggo]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Sluggo

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Leetman They may run well and all, but their looks/comfort level just does not meet the same standards as american and european cars.

Bullsh!t (at least compared to American cars). Chevy can't match Toyota in cars. Lincoln/Chrysler/Cadillac can't match Lexus in cars. THAT is a fact

That is your opinion, nothing more, nothing less. Being your opinion in no way makes it a fact.

Quality & reliability don't lie. Just look at the JD power rankings for lexus compared to 2nd place Cadillac. And if you're going to sit here and say that Lexus or Toyota is lower quality than Cadillac or Chevy, you're lyingto yourself

What does quality and reliability have to do with looks and comfort level?

What in the hell does quality mean too you? In the JD Power survey, comfort is included in quality.

How can you trust anything the Powers survey has to say after this thread I mean listing a car as having defects because the moron buyers didnt realize that the thing was going to get crappy mileage?

 

[Lithium381]

toyota 4 lyfe

(havne't read past the first three or so posts)

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: Leetman
All riceburners suck, including Toyotas.

and comments like that makes you look like an idiot.

And comments like:

Build cars that actually do not spend 1/2 it's lifetime in the shop.

make you look like one.

I've known some people with lemons coming from every car company. But most owners of US autos DO NOT have their car in the shop 1/2 the time.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: Leetman
All riceburners suck, including Toyotas.

and comments like that makes you look like an idiot.

And comments like:

Build cars that actually do not spend 1/2 it's lifetime in the shop.

make you look like one.

I've known some people with lemons coming from every car company. But most owners of US autos DO NOT have their car in the shop 1/2 the time.

I'm speaking from my experience with american cars

 

[ElFenix]

after having read my initial "quality" survey i've decided the survey is actually bullshIt and and much of it is subjective as heck since the person filling out the survey has probably driven, for long periods, a very small selection of vehicles. much of it is subjective comfort ratings.

that said, i thought infiniti was number 1 followed by lexus.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: NFS4Honda/Toyota has the resources/drive to update their platforms every 5 years with refreshes every 3. That's what KEEPS them on top and in the mind of the American buyer

Sure they do. I'd wager a bet that fewer than 5% of American car buyers could tell you when any given manufacturers "platform" has changed. Wave a shiny object in front of most people and they'll be mesmerized for hours. They buy based on appearance.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
after having read my initial "quality" survey i've decided the survey is actually bullshIt and and much of it is subjective as heck since the person filling out the survey has probably driven, for long periods, a very small selection of vehicles. much of it is subjective comfort ratings.

that said, i thought infiniti was number 1 followed by lexus.

Least problems per 100 car is led by Lexus followed by Toyota

then it's followed by Honda/Acura , Nissan etc.. not too sure on the exact list

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: isekiiI'm speaking from my experience with american cars

Perhaps, but your generalization makes you look as stupid as the guy you were insulting after he generalized about Japanese cars with nothing to back it up.

If you can provide me with some data which shows that of the cars produced in the past 20 years in America, they have spent half their lives in the shop, then I'll admit that I'm the fool. Until then, it's all you.

 

[BoberFett]

Strange, JD Power is the ultimate reference for auto reliability as long as it puts the fanbo...errr, Japanese auto enthusiasts picks on top. When the Impala is ahead of the Camry, it's not a reliable reference.

Interesting...