Pro-Cordoba Rally Speeches Against Bigotry (unless you're Jewish Zionist Israel)

[nobodyknows]

They named it Cordoba because of the unity that followed.
Your not going to accept that for whatever reasons.

LOL, some unity

In Islamic Spain, Jews and Christians were tolerated if they:

•acknowledged Islamic superiority
•accepted Islamic power
•paid a tax called Jizya to the Muslim rulers and sometimes paid higher rates of other taxes
•avoided blasphemy
•did not try to convert Muslims
•complied with the rules laid down by the authorities. These included:
•restrictions on clothing and the need to wear a special badge
•restrictions on building synagogues and churches
•not allowed to carry weapons
•could not receive an inheritance from a Muslim
•could not bequeath anything to a Muslim
•could not own a Muslim slave
•a dhimmi man could not marry a Muslim woman (but the reverse was acceptable)
•a dhimmi could not give evidence in an Islamic court
•dhimmis would get lower compensation than Muslims for the same injury

At times there were restrictions on practicing one's faith too obviously. Bell-ringing or chanting too loudly were frowned on and public processions were restricted.

Many Christians in Spain assimilated parts of the Muslim culture. Some learned Arabic, some adopted the same clothes as their rulers (some Christian women even started wearing the veil); some took Arabic names. Christians who did this were known as Mozarabs.

The Muslim rulers didn't give their non-Muslim subjects equal status; as Bat Ye'or has stated, the non-Muslims came definitely at the bottom of society.

Why were non-Muslims tolerated in Islamic Spain?

There were several reasons why the Muslim rulers tolerated rival faiths:

•Judaism and Christianity were monotheistic faiths, so arguably their members were worshipping the same God
•despite having some wayward beliefs and practices, such as the failure to accept the significance of Muhammad and the Qur'an
•The Christians outnumbered the Muslims
•so mass conversion or mass execution was not practical
•outlawing or controlling the beliefs of so many people would have been massively expensive
•Bringing non-Muslims into government provided the rulers with administrators
•who were loyal (because not attached to any of the various Muslim groups)
•who could be easily disciplined or removed if the need arose. (One Emir went so far as to have a Christian as the head of his bodyguard.)
•Passages in the Qur'an said that Christians and Jews should be tolerated if they obeyed certain rules

Oppression in later Islamic Spain

Not all the Muslim rulers of Spain were tolerant. Almanzor looted churches and imposed strict restrictions.

The position of non-Muslims in Spain deteriorated substantially from the middle of the 11th century as the rulers became more strict and Islam came under greater pressure from outside.

Christians were not allowed taller houses than Muslims, could not employ Muslim servants, and had to give way to Muslims on the street.

Christians could not display any sign of their faith outside, not even carrying a Bible. There were persecutions and executions.

One notorious event was a pogrom in Granada in 1066, and this was followed by further violence and discrimination as the Islamic empire itself came under pressure.

As the Islamic empire declined, and more territory was taken back by Christian rulers, Muslims in Christian areas found themselves facing similar restrictions to those they had formerly imposed on others.

 

[Orignal Earl]

LOL, some unity

From your link that you didn't post.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/spain_1.shtml

Islamic Spain is sometimes described as a 'golden age' of religious and ethnic tolerance and interfaith harmony between Muslims, Christians and Jews.

Some historians believe this idea of a golden age is false and might lead modern readers to believe, wrongly, that Muslim Spain was tolerant by the standards of 21st century Britain.

The true position is more complicated. The distinguished historian Bernard Lewis wrote that the status of non-Muslims in Islamic Spain was a sort of second-class citizenship but he went on to say:

Of course things weren't up to the standards we seek today.
But back then, that was unity.

 

[Infohawk]

From your link that you didn't post.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/spain_1.shtml



Of course things weren't up to the standards we seek today.
But back then, that was unity.

Being intellectually honest for a second. Over history, do you tend to believe occupiers in their description of an occupation, or the occupied? I don't know about you, but I usually defer to the occupied. But maybe you were one of those people that thought Iraqis would throw flowers at American troops? No? Then maybe you should apply a healthy dose of cynicism to this situation as well.

The word "some" is strategically peppered into the linked article. Again, let's be honest. There is disagreement over what things were like in Cordoba. With that in mind, why all places would Park 51 choose the name? Again, what is so hard about choosing a name that is less ambiguous in its motivations?

 

[nobodyknows]

From your link that you didn't post.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/spain_1.shtml



Of course things weren't up to the standards we seek today.
But back then, that was unity.

There are two sides to every story, the side you are on was misrepresenting the truth so I followed their lead. Don't knock your self out in your crtique of them though, LMAO!!

I expect no less from my closet muslim friend.

 

[Orignal Earl]

With that in mind, why all places would Park 51 choose the name? Again, what is so hard about choosing a name that is less ambiguous in its motivations?

I don't know.

I expect no less from my closet muslim friend.

Oh man...

 

[Infohawk]

Like what? An embargo? Do you think that would stop Sheffield from calling people beloved patriot? Wouldn't you want to strike quickly so that trained soldiers like Sheffield couldn't be mobilized and before Europe could start up her death machine?

*Crickets from CanOWorms*

Guess his master plan to change Europe really isn't one after all. Bomb Big Ben. Then what? Obama would be disappointed in you CanOWorms. No Europe Czar for you!

 

[jpeyton]

 

[Viditor]

A picture paints a thousand words...great picture!

 

[Infohawk]

 

[Sinsear]

You forgot the legend part of that map where it shows that the color "blue" represents those muslims that tolerate, condone, and refuse to speak out against the actions of the Taliban or Al Queda.

 

[jpeyton]

You forgot the legend part of that map where it shows that the color "blue" represents those muslims that tolerate, condone, and refuse to speak out against the actions of the Taliban or Al Queda

Can you link the study done to show that 1.57 billion muslims tolerate, condone and refuse to speak out against the Taliban or Al Qaeda?

That must have been a pretty impressive study.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Can you link the study done to show that 1.57 billion muslims tolerate, condone and refuse to speak out against the Taliban or Al Qaeda?

That must have been a pretty impressive study.

It don't matter, you can post a hundred quotes from Muslims speaking out against Taliban or Al Qaeda and tomorrow he will say the same thing.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I don't think your a bigot, but I'm sure your a coward.

 

[piasabird]

What does Cordoba mean? Who cares?

 

[Infohawk]

I don't think your a bigot, but I'm sure your a coward.

I understand that it's easier to hurl personal insults than make cogent arguments. Let your inner child rage, earl. There there, let it out. Tomorrow at school you'll learn your vs. you're. Need your poopie diapers changed?

 

[Orignal Earl]

I understand that it's easier to hurl personal insults than make cogent arguments. Let your inner child rage, earl. There there, let it out. Tomorrow at school you'll learn your vs. you're. Need your poopie diapers changed?

lol Who's going to change my diapers? Not you, you wouldn't last 10 seconds in my neighborhood. Too many terrorists lurking about.

You've already admitted how little you care about your fellow Americans as long as you think your safe.
Your boogieman is going to continue to terrorize you until you man up, grow up, and face him.