Why would the child "suffer a piss-poor life"?
Are the parents that incapable of doing anything remotely resembling acting responsibly? Does the word sacrifice not exist in your world?
Mis information like what? My reply covered a lot on how I feel.
I not only agree with BoberFett, but I would much rather see people adopting poor innocent children. That was my whole point. Anti-abortion people protest and in some cases even kill doctors and pregnant women who are wanting abortions. If they are so eager to save lives why not save the lives of already born children waiting for good homes. Why don't they actively start to make a difference rather then just bitching and complain. This is the point I'm getting at.
At 37 weeks a baby can survive outside the womb. It is considered full term. 42 weeks is max, but usually a doctor can tell when the placenta is going to run out. I had a friend go into the first day of her 44th week. Placenta was okay, so was the baby at 8lbs. She was to be induced that day but it came naturally.
Babies work in mysterious ways.
Who's to say that because you don't have a fancy house and a fancy car you can't provide children with a good life? If thats how you guys determine what a good life is, then you guys do, in fact, have a lot to learn.
again you're talking about potential and not reality. I mean jesus, we all have potential. The fulfillment of potential OTOH varies wildly (it's rare that you see someone exhaust his potential).
Humans are not beasts of logic. We're often irrational, intuitive, and unpredictable.
I'd rather have the girl abort than have an irresponsible mother with no father around trying to raise a kid further raising more jacked up kids who will keep doing the same thing...
If you outlaw abortion you assume people will act responsibly which is a terrible assumption. The only person that can make this decision is the actual woman herself...
If you outlaw abortion you assume people will act responsibly which is a terrible assumption. The only person that can make this decision is the actual woman herself...
Having people adopt children that are already born is a different topic. It's related but is a digression from the topic title.
This is about preventing a pregnancy in the first place. Or, if birth control or protection wasn't used and the woman becomes pregnant, how to handle it at that point, before the birth.
IMO, having an abortion simply because one wasn't "ready for a baby" or it would be too inconvenient is a complete and total copout and if an abortion is performed for those reasons, I submit the woman should have her tubes tied and the man should have a vasectomy as they are not proving themselves to be responsible adults and should, therefore, NEVER have a child.
One word for you: Adoption.
If you know for a fact that you arn't capable of raising them (which entitles that you are mentally uncappable or physically (how did you have sex in the first place?)) then adoption would be the only option in my opinion.
Killing a child for the sake of your stupidity is not the answer.
Then you throw a burden on your child to be adopted into another home...that's great too. Then they always know they were given up for adoption. It depends on your point of view...I don't consider it murder so I'd rather have no baby than a baby that has to be adopted.
Yes, i guess it is a matter of perception. I would rather know that my mother chose to gave me away for the sake of having a better life than to kill me. *shrug*
To assume automatically that a child will "suffer a piss-poor life" simply because an abortion was not performed is just utterly ludicrous.
Sure, when I was 19 and my fiancee was 18, we erred in determining her ovulation and, without protection (yes, we were stupid) she became pregnant. I was still in college and working delivering pizzas at that time and she wasn't working. Sure, we could have had an abortion and gone on w/our prior plans for our lives but that was NEVER an option. We survived quite well and now that baby is my 16 year-old daughter who I could never imagine not being in my life!
We didn't live in the best apartments or drive the best cars but we got by just fine until my career kicked in.
I feel the biggest problems with unexpected pregnancies fall to the taboo of having proper sex education in the home and in school and to the lack of responsibility of the now soon-to-be parents.
It's not the most difficult task in the world to raise a child with love and provide food and shelter.
When I first saw the topic, I thought this was going to be a *nix/Windows debate! 
But, to stay on topic, I am like several others on here. My pro-choice (outside OS's that is ) means everyone involved at least gets their say. And a group decision is made. Well, that is assuming consentual sex. Forced sex/rape is an entirely different matter. (One I choose not to go into now.)
But those are my opinions, and noone else has to have them.
But, to stay on topic, I am like several others on here. My pro-choice (outside OS's that is
) means everyone involved at least gets their say. And a group decision is made. Well, that is assuming consentual sex. Forced sex/rape is an entirely different matter. (One I choose not to go into now.)But those are my opinions, and noone else has to have them.
Thanks.
But, couple condom usage with a) contraception and b) withdrawal before climax and those percentages of unexpected pregnancies would drop to, I would think, nil.
I rarely assume anything that general, and certainly wasn't assuming that all children born in these circumstances will suffer. What I was assuming was that there is a statistically signifigant correlation between unexpected pregnancy + poverty and a general decline in quality of life (at some point we're talking about a fairly large decline). In conjunction with the statistics quoted above about the effectiveness of standard birth control, I could not possibly support an all out ban on "medically unnecessary" abortions.
Not quite: "The only 100% method is abstention."
Other than that, there is always a chance. Anything can happen. Yes, the odds may be non- existant, but pregnancy could still occur.
It doesn't necessarily mean that the child will suffer a piss poor life. It's great if you have responsible parents but most people who consider an abortion and do this aren't very responsible. The chances are pretty high if the child is unwanted and it's a complete burden on a single mother who is forced to have a kid that the child will not be taken care of.
For example, one of my friends had a kid when she was 18 and now her friend's mom takes care of the kid and the kid is sick and hungry a lot of the time. The little girl is neglected and causes all sorts of trouble at school. Given the choice between being raised like that and not having a kid I'd take not having the kid even though I am attached to her little girl.
Well, I was referring to yayo's statement that assumes, off-the-bat, that a child will "suffer a piss-poor life" if it's not aborted.
Amazingly closed-minded statement.
And, I'll agree that having an unexpected child can lower the standard of one's living but I'll qualify that with the addition of it only happening to someone under, say, the age of 22 who's not completed their education. A child doesn't need heaps of toys every Christmas, the latest version of XBOX, etc. A child just wants the love of its parents and enjoy friendship of others the same age (school, day care, neighborhood).
Maybe I was a bit harsh but I meant min-information to the fact that your opinions on what pro-life people fail to do. As I don't know anything about your life other than what I read here you do not know about the circumstances of those against abortion. Yes, many are misguided. You gave the example of Dr. Barnett Schlepian (sp?). That doctor lived in my town. Practiced in my town. James Cop is foolish and foolishly guided. He has given the Pro-life cause a bad name. For his crime he deserves his punishment.
I think this argument comes down to when you believe life begins. Viable age of a fetus I think is currently at 20 weeks gestation. This means that the child can life outside of the mother, with a little love and help. Soon the 20 weeks will go to 19 then 18 with advancement in medical technology. So someone must ask themselves can I kill this child. Because if you say that life starts when the fetus can live on it's own then that will soon be earlier and earlier. That being said back to the original message, the man always gets the shaft.
You know what I say in a situation like that? Turn the mother in to Child Services. She should be taken to task to be a responsible parent. Where is this mother's parents and why aren't they either supporting her or demanding she work on getting assistance to care for the child? Where are the mother's friends who should be doing the same? Turning a blind eye to a problem won't make it go away.
And, another problem, some are too afraid (or too stupid) to seek help available to them. Food stamps, WIC, housing assistance, etc. should be sufficient to allow someone to get on their feet while they get a job and start properly caring for their child. I know...I've been there and I know people who've either been there, too, or are in that position now.
Nil? you're talking about combining ~92% effectiveness and ~95% effectiveness and getting 100%.
(yes you could add withdrawal, but that's a potential combination that has probably seen almost no application)
While combinations will result in substantially less risk, we're still talking about an appreciable risk for any person engaging in sex on a regular basis. The combination above will yield a failure rate that is (i believe) worse than .1% (per year). That means > 1 in a thousand PER year.
*if I'm calculating correctly, combining the two will yield approx 99.6% rate of effectiveness*
NOTHING IS NIL! As my dad alwasy told me, "it only takes one of those little swimmers to make it"
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