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Pro choice or pro life? With poll

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Abortion

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SlitheryDee said:
I'm definitely pro choice. In fact, I'm in favor of the government paying for abortions for people who can't afford it. If they can't afford the abortion, they certainly can't afford the child. A child raised by someone who can't afford them and doesn't want them is almost certain to be a drain on society as an adult. It just makes sense.
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I could go along with that as long as the woman is sterilized to prevent future pregnancies.
 
Atreus21 said:
An adult says to themselves, "Even at the risk of making my life miserable, I cannot permit myself to kill another person, because murder is wrong."
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Still, the educated adults would say no such thing, because they know that fetuses are not persons, and abortion is not murder. Take your "alternative facts" and fuck off with them, thanks.
 
Cerpin Taxt said:
Still, the educated adults would say no such thing, because they know that fetuses are not persons, and abortion is not murder. Take your "alternative facts" and fuck off with them, thanks.
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I believe in the eventuality of things, and that fetuses are "constructively" (legal meaning) alive and a person by the fact that they will be.

I reconcile the fact that I believe in abortion in that the woman has a right to her liberty of choice, and can choose to expel the unborn fetus from her care (womb), and moreover, can do so after birth as well. Society cannot circumscribe the mother's liberty and force her to raise and care for a child she does not want. So instead of being pro-abortion, I truly am pro-abandonment, and consider abortion simply abandoning the fetus.

With that being said, our biology is geared towards flooding the mother with caretaking hormones in order to stop that from happening, they even have these hormones while they are pregnant. Women who want abortions, and women who want to abandon their child, lack these hormones. I see no reason to force them into doing something that their mind and hormones are rejecting.
 
Puffnstuff said:
I could go along with that as long as the woman is sterilized to prevent future pregnancies.
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What if her income improves? And even if it didn't, why would it be okay to permanently neuter people simply because they're poor?

Besides, you're making a presumption that it was because of carelessness. What if she made sure to use contraception and something went wrong? To abuse automotive analogies: you wouldn't ban someone from driving because someone rear-ended their car at a stop light, so why would it be okay to take away one of the most important aspects of life (reproductive ability) when it wasn't your fault?
 
Commodus said:
What if her income improves? And even if it didn't, why would it be okay to permanently neuter people simply because they're poor?

Besides, you're making a presumption that it was because of carelessness. What if she made sure to use contraception and something went wrong? To abuse automotive analogies: you wouldn't ban someone from driving because someone rear-ended their car at a stop light, so why would it be okay to take away one of the most important aspects of life (reproductive ability) when it wasn't your fault?
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People get angry when I mention it, but I've always been in favor of incentivized sterilization. The government should offer $1000 (or some other amount too low for enterprising doctors to undercut) to anyone who volunteers for a reliably reversible procedure that will render them sterile. The fact that they take the deal at all is evidence enough that they need it. If their financial situation improves they have the option of paying the money back and having the government cover the rest of the reversal procedure, proving that the have both the necessary interest and financial stability to raise children in the process.
 
Puffnstuff said:
I am pro choice as I believe that a person should have free will over their person. What I don't believe in is using abortion outside of rape, incest or preserving the life of the mother in a medical emergency. Using public funds to help a promiscuous female abscond themselves of personal responsibility for their behavior is just outside of the bounds to which I am willing to support it.
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Seriously?
 
SlitheryDee said:
People get angry when I mention it, but I've always been in favor of incentivized sterilization. The government should offer $1000 (or some other amount too low for enterprising doctors to undercut) to anyone who volunteers for a reliably reversible procedure that will render them sterile. The fact that they take the deal at all is evidence enough that they need it. If their financial situation improves they have the option of paying the money back and having the government cover the rest of the reversal procedure, proving that the have both the necessary interest and financial stability to raise children in the process.
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I've generally liked the idea of just offering free voluntary sterilization.
This approach isn't bad either though.
 
Commodus said:
What if her income improves? And even if it didn't, why would it be okay to permanently neuter people simply because they're poor?

Besides, you're making a presumption that it was because of carelessness. What if she made sure to use contraception and something went wrong? To abuse automotive analogies: you wouldn't ban someone from driving because someone rear-ended their car at a stop light, so why would it be okay to take away one of the most important aspects of life (reproductive ability) when it wasn't your fault?
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"Naw dude, fuck the poors." --Jesus
 
nakedfrog said:
So, what, you think there are people that just head on down to the ol' clinic for a baby-suckin'-out procedure whenever they notice they got knocked up again? Like it's no big deal?
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Oh, is that what I said?

Although I have known some that have used abortion services more than twice just for the fact that it was not what they wanted at the time. It does happen.
 
JujuFish said:
Pro-choice until the fetus is viable.
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Pretty much this. It's not my place to tell others what do with their body. But that comes with some responsibility too. But I also believe there are some exceptions like medical emergencies.

Always funny how the far right says limit the governments role in our lives, unless we disagree with you.
 
Puffnstuff said:
I could go along with that as long as the woman is sterilized to prevent future pregnancies.
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You want to control a woman for entire life based on youthful indiscretion? Ever think of a scarlet A branding?
Do you foresee very many forced sterilizations in your society? Three felonies, welfare, too many of one race in an area? It seems like your Brother in Law needs a job in the Morality Police so we can be more like Saudi Arabia.
 
TeeJay1952 said:
You want to control a woman for entire life based on youthful indiscretion? Ever think of a scarlet A branding?
Do you foresee very many forced sterilizations in your society? Three felonies, welfare, too many of one race in an area? It seems like your Brother in Law needs a job in the Morality Police so we can be more like Saudi Arabia.
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I, as a taxpayer, have the right to see my tax dollars well spent in ways that benefit the entire society and not just a few select persons. Welfare mothers pump out babies to take advantage of qualifying for more benefits and this is not at all ethical or morally justifiable. There has to come a point where a line is drawn and I believe it belongs right there.
 
Puffnstuff said:
I, as a taxpayer, have the right to see my tax dollars well spent in ways that benefit the entire society and not just a few select persons. Welfare mothers pump out babies to take advantage of qualifying for more benefits and this is not at all ethical or morally justifiable. There has to come a point where a line is drawn and I believe it belongs right there.
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Ah, yes, let's damn the lot for the actions of a few. Sorry, but you don't have a right to dictate how your tax dollars are spent, and without abortion there'd be a far worse welfare situation than there is today.
 
Puffnstuff said:
I, as a taxpayer, have the right to see my tax dollars well spent in ways that benefit the entire society and not just a few select persons. Welfare mothers pump out babies to take advantage of qualifying for more benefits and this is not at all ethical or morally justifiable. There has to come a point where a line is drawn and I believe it belongs right there.
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Do you even know how abortions work? Like, you pay for it and the welfare baby goes away, not the other way around.
 
agent00f said:
Do you even know how abortions work? Like, you pay for it and the welfare baby goes away, not the other way around.
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I knew you'd show up sooner or later with your brand of spew defending those who refuse to take personal responsibility for their own actions trying to pawn it off on society as their problem. Are you going to spin this to call me a racist too? I know business owners who accept EBT payments and they do something called interact with their customers which is how I know of their intentions in this matter. These gals aren't shy about talking and boasting of how they are getting even more benefits by pumping kids out is among the topics overheard in this environment which we reasonable tax paying people find appalling.

PSST: Just between you and me agent I've heard that if you offer the stork a can of sardines he'll take the baby back to the factory but I can't say for sure.😱😀
 
Puffnstuff said:
I knew you'd show up sooner or later with your brand of spew defending those who refuse to take personal responsibility for their own actions trying to pawn it off on society as their problem. Are you going to spin this to call me a racist too? I know business owners who accept EBT payments and they do something called interact with their customers which is how I know of their intentions in this matter. These gals aren't shy about talking and boasting of how they are getting even more benefits by pumping kids out is among the topics overheard in this environment which we reasonable tax paying people find appalling.

PSST: Just between you and me agent I've heard that if you offer the stork a can of sardines he'll take the baby back to the factory but I can't say for sure.😱😀
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For folks who have such a hard time figuring how abortions work, maybe figuring just isn't meant for them.
 
agent00f said:
For folks who have such a hard time figuring how abortions work, maybe figuring just isn't meant for them.
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Hey man you've already painted yourself as our resident drama queen who lives for controversy no matter what the subject matter is so rail away.:mask:
 
Puffnstuff said:
Hey man you've already painted yourself as our resident drama queen who lives for controversy no matter what the subject matter is so rail away.:mask:
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The verifiable fact that you simply can't figure out how abortions work needs no exaggeration. It doesn't do you any favors to bluster like some conservative.
 
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