Pro-Choice or Pro-Life (to kill or not to kill?, should that be the question, is that the question?

[Optimus]

It is human, it is alive, it is unique. It is not a "mass of tissue" one minute and then, after it moves 2 feet to the left (birth) it magically becomes a person all of a sudden.

Heartbeat. Sucks his/her thumb. Feels and reacts to pain. Has unique fingerprints, brain activity...

It is a person.

When has mankind EVER been right in deciding against which humans are "real people" or not?

Killing is not a right.


Pro-Life.

 

[SirFshAlot]

does the baby get a "choice"?

if they can't prove 100% that it's not human yet, then no one should be taking the chance that it isn't

all humans should have the "choice" to live

when a woman makes the choice to get pregnant, then her freedom of choice has already been exercised
if she was impregnated without her choice, then that's an exception

also, what makes women think they have the all inclusive right to the decision?
should the man be given the "choice" to kill the mother if he doesn't want her to carry his sperm to fruition?

This topic should be relabeled to "Humanity or P.C. Brain-dead"

 

[eakers]

excuse me but we are all just masses of cells.
take some biology classes.


quite frankly it makes me wonder why humans are so against killing their own fetus but then can go out and hurt other animals. do other animals not walk, communicate, feel pain? yes yes they do. i mean some of you are so passionate about this but when it comes to hunting or something you are all for it. or how about when someone commits a murder, then you are all for the killing of humans.
maybe im not the kinda person to say these things cuz i eat meat.

i am in no way justifying abortions or hunting or capital punishment its just another way to look at it.

a woman has the right to do whatever she likes to her own body because its that hers.

i wouldnt have an abortion but i dont think its my place to tell someone else what they can do with their body.

*kat. <-- big clump of cells.

 

[Optimus]

<< excuse me but we are all just masses of cells.
take some biology classes. >>



We all have. &quot;masses of cells&quot; don't suck thier thumbs, roll over, grasp things in the womb, have unique brain patterns, react to music, voices... In a way we are all just &quot;masses of cells, our minds nothing more than chemical reactions. I believe people are much, much more tahn that. Even unborn ones.



<< a woman has the right to do whatever she likes to her own body because its that hers. >>



The baby's body, mind, and life are not a woman's possesion. They are the baby's.

 

[jobert]

>>whatever is in a mother's womb is not a human being until it is born.<<

So if we flush an overdue ten-month old down the toilet,
it's OK by you as long as she hasn't been born yet?

Wow, Brother!

 

[loosbrew]

ok lets look at it another way for a moment.... the time the organism is in the host...it is a parasite. it cannot live on its own. it feeds off the host. it even sends chemical signals through the body that tells the mother to eat more, or to produce more of a certain harmone so that certain things happen along the way. yes..its nature..as is a tick on a dog, or a hook worm in a gut. now obviously that parasite comes out and viola its a child and always was, but this time it doesnt physically maniplate the body. i dunno about the girls or other guys (me=boy ) i sure wouldnt want a parasite like that unless i was completely willing to deal with its side effects. now...also give into consideration that there is a surplus of humans that seem to want to destroy everything on this planet. so what the hell, why do we need more. people dont care about taking baby cows chaining them up in the corner and eating them after a few months of torture! so i guess im saying that if men really understood the physical consquences of pregnancy then they really wouldnt say anything about it being a life and &quot;oh, but it has a heartbeat too ya know&quot; i bet there would be a lot more abortions if men got pregnant!! lets be realistic here. its not a mans choice on what women do, or what anyone does. i dont care how many abortions one person has, they should have the choice to do anything they please, and no religous fanatic should have the right to tell them what to do.

/soapbox

loosbrew
save the planet, kill your unborn baby.


edit


<< The baby's body, mind, and life are not a woman's possesion. They are the baby's >>



what life? what mind? it hasnt seen anything other than a dark cave! who owns that cave. who feeds life into that baby. where is its life coming from?

 

[Ornery]

There are certain rights that people have no matter what laws are passed. If our government passed a law that slavery was legal they would still be violating the rights of the person that was enslaved.

Just because abortion is currently allowed by law doesn't justify violating the rights of that unborn person. If you can understand the principle of human rights, then it's not a great leap to extend those rights to someone being born or about to be born.

If you believe the mother has the &quot;right&quot; to kill it in utero, then why not after birth? If it were born one month premature, should she have the &quot;choice&quot; to dispose of it? Why not, it's her baby, her choice? It's still VERY dependent on her. No less than when it was in the womb.

Bottom line is, laws can change. There was a time when the majority favored slavery. But we matured. Just a matter of time...

 

[thraashman]

How about this one. If the baby was born naturally right now would it be developed enough to survive. if not then I see no problem with aborting it, because it is not alive. it's the same as pulling the plug on someone who is brain dead.

Almost as misleading as calling it &quot;Pro Choice&quot; instead of &quot;Pro Baby Killing&quot;
More like almost as misleading as calling it &quot;Pro Life&quot; instead of &quot;Pro Revoking a Woman's Rights as a Human Being to Make Her Own Choices&quot;.

 

[Elledan]

<< LOL Elledan states that, &quot;mating should be regulated.&quot;

Well, then little fella...then you should brush up on your MONKEY SPANKIN'>>

Unable to process your reasoning. Please clarify 'monkey spankin''.

The function of mating is to produce offspring. Not to have 'fun', which will lead in many cases to 'accidents' so that an abortus will be necessary.

Can you also give me any explanations why you disagree with this, PretendHer?

Again: it seems like it's hard to defend anything by means of arguments. Only insults, vague exclamations and other irrelevant replies seems to be able to support your views. Right?

<<We all have. &quot;masses of cells&quot; don't suck thier thumbs, roll over, grasp things in the womb, have unique brain patterns, react to music, voices... In a way we are all just &quot;masses of cells, our minds nothing more than chemical reactions. I believe people are much, much more tahn that. Even unborn ones.>>

Wrong. 'masses of cells' are definitely able to do such things. Only by excessive cooperation between all those cells we're able to do those things.

If I take your reasoning a bit further, than even young animals are more than 'masses of cells' and should therefore be protected. Still we are killing young (even unborn) animals by thousands. Every day.

 

[loosbrew]

<< Bottom line is, laws can change. There was a time when the majority favored slavery. But we matured. Just a matter of time... >>




yea...just matter of time when this world wont depend on silly religons that make people think they own every last aspect of every one.

 

[thraashman]

Bottom line is, laws can change. There was a time when the majority favored slavery. But we matured. Just a matter of time...
Abortion used to be illegal, but as you said. But we matured. it was just a matter of time. If we revoke a woman's right to have an abortion, we might as well revoke black people's right to freedom, it's the same thing. and while we're at it we'll revoke women's suffrage. And make voting legal for only white male land owners.

 

[jobert]

>>More like almost as misleading as calling it &quot;Pro Life&quot; instead of &quot;Pro Revoking a Woman's Rights as a Human Being to Make Her Own Choices&quot;.<<

Thrash...
The reality of living together with
other people in a society is that we do NOT
have the right to make our own choices on EVERYTHING.
We agree when we form a society that,
no matter how much it may inconvenience us,
we can't choose to do some things
(like killing each other).

 

[Ornery]

It's not a matter of morals, or religion or even choice. It's a human's inalienable right to life. Simple...

 

[loosbrew]

its not that simple, as we all have proved.

 

[thraashman]

by removing a woman's right to choose to have an abortion, aren't you removing HER RIGHT to live HER LIFE the way she wants to. thus you're revoking someone's right to life. saying that aborting a 3 month along pregnancy is murder is the same as saying that masterbating is killing millions of potential children by having all those sperm go unused.

 

[SirFshAlot]

Choice. My body, my decision. Nobody else's.

It should always be the decision of the person who would have the abortion

Me=guy=not my place to say

a woman has the right to do whatever she likes to her own body because its that hers

its not a mans choice on what women do, or what anyone does. i dont care how many abortions one person has, they should have the choice to do anything they please

Ornery, Optimus, jobert,
does it bother you as much as I that these young fools are going to be overlooking our medicare and SSI years from now?

Red Dawn,
you should be ashamed of yourself for polarizing with these wannabe-sentient-masses of cells
you in the process of building that self-sustaining bunker?

 

[SirFshAlot]

aren't you removing HER RIGHT to live HER LIFE the way she wants to

yeah, right
and otherwise, she can go about her life doing everything she wants?
she can smoke whatever drug she CHOOSES, drive however fast she wants to, wear whatever she wants, or not wear, say whatever she wants to whoever she wants

good thing everyone here understands the fvcking concept of society


brain dead

 

[loosbrew]

<< Ornery, Optimus, jobert, >>




<< does it bother you as much as I that these young fools are going to be overlooking our medicare and SSI years from now? >>




No need to start calling me a fool. because i disagree with you about something doesnt make me stupid or a fool. i find that when people cant find anything valuable to say about thier own opinions, they start the name calling.

loosbrew

 

[loosbrew]

<< yeah, right
and otherwise, she can go about her life doing everything she wants?
she can smoke whatever drug she CHOOSES, drive however fast she wants to, wear whatever she wants, or not wear, say whatever she wants to whoever she wants

good thing everyone here understands the fvcking concept of society >>




now, if you cant find a way to argue this intelligently, dont bother. you're just wasting everyones time here by reading your worthless posts.

loosbrew

 

[ratkil]

Personally, I am prolife and I would be hard set against anyone aborting a child that I helped create. With that said I don't care what other people do in their cases, as long as one thing is clear. They are ending a human life, and if they don't have a problem with that then they better not have a problem with China killing off baby girls or people killing their babies after they are born, because regardless of how you argue it, there is absolutely no difference. Have a nice day

 

[SirFshAlot]

you're just wasting everyones time here

thanks for giving me such a sense of power

good thing you didn't waste any time in responding to my &quot;worthless&quot; post

who you trying to kid? you took exception to my view, and you're stumbling to respond intelligently. Nice try!

 

[jobert]

This conversation seems to be degenerating.

Gentlemen, gentlemen:

You do NOT have the right to degenerate.

 

[veryape]

Nobodies buisness but the womans. There are many reasons I hold this belief but i'm not going to go into it.

Why do so many of you feel so responsible for what someone does with THEIR body. Why do you feel so obligated to put your noses where they DO NOT BELONG? Don't think so highly of yourselves,your opinion does not matter to the woman who gets an abortion. Its none of your buisness. And if the government stops them they will go elsewhere to get it done.

If you do not agree with abortion don't get one,but leave your religious views at the door,because not everyone has your beliefs. Simple as that. Just because you say something is right or wrong does not make it so.

 

[jobert]

>>Why do so many of you feel so responsible for what someone does with THEIR body.<<

Very:
Your face is part of your body.
If you choose to mutilate it,
that is your FREE CHOICE... have fun.
We could CARE LESS what you do with
YOUR BODY. HAVE AT IT!

A baby is not part of your body.

 

[loosbrew]

<< A baby is not part of your body. >>



it sure is. until that organism doesnt depend on the host to survive, it becomes part of the body. the organism needs the host to live.

loosbrew