Private schools in GA expel GLBT students yet continue to receive state dollars

[nehalem256]

I have as much of a problem with any homosexuals-only school that receives public funds, or any atheists-only school that receives public funds, for example.
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Actually honestly if there was some kind of homosexual only school that indirectly received state-funding through tax credits I wouldn't care.

 

[nehalem256]

Directly or indirectly, especially if the indirect method was designed specifically to evade the system that prevents discrimination with public money.

So you honestly think that the tax credit method was designed so private schools could expel gay students?

 

[Paratus]

Any "private" school receiving public fund is no longer truly private. The state provided funds can and should come with strings attached.

In this case it looks like these Georgia schools are skirting that issue via tax credits. So they can receive public funds and still discriminate. Repubs are good at crafting laws to skirt moral and ethical concerns.

 

[zsdersw]

So you honestly think that the tax credit method was designed so private schools could expel gay students?

Yes... and/or whatever schools want to discriminate on.

 

[nehalem256]

Any "private" school receiving public fund is no longer truly private. The state provided funds can and should come with strings attached.

In this case it looks like these Georgia schools are skirting that issue via tax credits. So they can receive public funds and still discriminate. Repubs are good at crafting laws to skirt moral and ethical concerns.

What moral or ethical concern is there?

Also the irony of complaining about Repubs skirting the law using "tax credits". How is this any different than the Democrats extorting people into buying health insurance under penalty of taxation*?

Also, there is no reason you could not set up an all-gay private school and rake in the benefits of the tax credit as well.

*a tax that they explicitly said was not a tax mind you.

 

[nehalem256]

Yes... and/or whatever schools want to discriminate on.

Paranoid much?

I think it was so that they could allow students to attend a private religious school with government funding.

 

[zsdersw]

Paranoid much?

Obtuse much?

I think it was so that they could allow students to attend a private religious school with government funding.

What exactly is meritorious about that? If we're going to accept blurring the line between public and private schools, then let's be honest about it... and give all schools public money whether they meet any commonly-agreed-upon standards or not.

 

[child of wonder]

Religious institutions should not receive public funds whether it be via direct cash payouts or preferential tax treatment.

The end.

 

[zsdersw]

What moral or ethical concern is there?

Using public money to discriminate on a basis other than what schools are designed to do; they're designed to discriminate on academic performance and disciplinary status, not on the gender, religion, handicap, sexual orientation, or political/ideological affiliation of their students.

Also the irony of complaining about Repubs skirting the law using "tax credits". How is this any different than the Democrats extorting people into buying health insurance under penalty of taxation*?

The irony is that you complain about one kind of "tax credit" while give a pass to this one... and that you criticize someone for doing what you yourself are doing.

Also, there is no reason you could not set up an all-gay private school and rake in the benefits of the tax credit as well.

Which would be just as wrong.

 

[Paratus]

Paranoid much?

I think it was so that they could allow students to attend a private religious school with government funding.

You just answered your own question.

 

[nehalem256]

What exactly is meritorious about that? If we're going to accept blurring the line between public and private schools, then let's be honest about it... and give all schools public money whether they meet any commonly-agreed-upon standards or not.

Whether or not private schools should be able to receive government funds (directly or indirectly) is an entirely different conversation.

 

[Incorruptible]

Religious institutions should not receive public funds whether it be via direct cash payouts or preferential tax treatment.

The end.

This. If they want to discriminate then let them as long as they dont take tax dollars. This is another reason why the government needs to be smaller and not be so involved in too many areas

 

[nehalem256]

Using public money to discriminate on a basis other than what schools are designed to do; they're designed to discriminate on academic performance and disciplinary status, not on the gender, religion, handicap, sexual orientation, or political/ideological affiliation of their students.

So lets say you get your way. And the schools stop expelling gay students. Do you really want to see gay students in that kind of environment?

Or will you start a thread next week about private schools in Georgia telling gay students they are going to hell?

Which would be just as wrong.

Why? If they do a good job educating gay students in an environment that makes them comfortable I see no issue with it.

 

[nehalem256]

You just answered your own question.

Attending a religious school is about more than "hating" gays.

In fact from the linked article

"Students shall not promote or participate in immorality such as pornography, adultery, fornication, pre-marital sex, or homosexuality."

I would say it has more to do with the bolded. Since everyone knows that the children of conservatives Christians would never be gay anyway ()🙂

 

[zsdersw]

So lets say you get your way. And the schools stop expelling gay students. Do you really want to see gay students in that kind of environment?

Or will you start a thread next week about private schools in Georgia telling gay students they are going to hell?

I want to see schools that discriminate not receive any public money. That's "my way".

Why? If they do a good job educating gay students in an environment that makes them comfortable I see no issue with it.

Have you been listening? Because they receive public money.

 

[zsdersw]

Whether or not private schools should be able to receive government funds (directly or indirectly) is an entirely different conversation.

No it's not, otherwise I never would've mentioned them receiving public money in the OP.

 

[nehalem256]

I want to see schools that discriminate not receive any public money. That's "my way".

Have you been listening? Because they receive public money.

So "your way" is to not care about the education and well-being of gay students.

No it's not, otherwise I never would've mentioned them receiving public money in the OP.

The issue of whether private schools should receive public funding in general is separate from whether private schools who do not meet "discrimination" rules should be denied said funding.

 

[zsdersw]

So "your way" is to not care about the education and well-being of gay students.

Being smarmy, as you almost always are, rarely makes a valid argument.

The issue of whether private schools should receive public funding in general is separate from whether private schools who do not meet "discrimination" rules should be denied said funding.

Not when the present example of why they shouldn't receive public funding is the discrimination they're doing... which is the entire point of this thread. I wouldn't have to mention it, but you apparently missed the point or are intentionally diverting away from it to suit your idiocy.

 

[Gunslinger08]

While I certainly disagree with this, sexuality is not a protected class in the US, as far as I know. Therefore, they're doing nothing wrong, legally speaking. If you or others are concerned by this, you should contact your representatives and push for a law creating a protected class for LGBT.

 

[zsdersw]

While I certainly disagree with this, sexuality is not a protected class in the US, as far as I know. Therefore, they're doing nothing wrong, legally speaking. If you or others are concerned by this, you should contact your representatives and push for a law creating a protected class for LGBT.

"Protected class" not needed. The laws of many states prevent discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

 

[Gunslinger08]

"Protected class" not needed. The laws of many states prevent discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

Making it a federally mandated protected class would solve these state by state issues. Seems like the right thing to do in the country where all men are created equal.

 

[zsdersw]

Making it a federally mandated protected class would solve these state by state issues. Seems like the right thing to do in the country where all men are created equal.

Well, the "right thing" is so rarely done these days.. I have no particular expectation that it will happen, especially on an issue like this.

Fortunately, attitudes like that of these schools in the OP are on the decline; there will come a day when only a very small few of these schools will be able to get enough students to remain financially viable.

 

[nehalem256]

Making it a federally mandated protected class would solve these state by state issues. Seems like the right thing to do in the country where all men are created equal.

Sounds like you are proposing the opposite of equality by granting certain groups of people special protection.

 

[zsdersw]

Sounds like you are proposing the opposite of equality by granting certain groups of people special protection.

Sounds like you're being a troll again.

 

[nehalem256]

Being smarmy, as you almost always are, rarely makes a valid argument.

Nope. The logical outcome from what you want is for gay students to attend a school that will tell them they are going to hell.

Not when the present example of why they shouldn't receive public funding is the discrimination they're doing... which is the entire point of this thread. I wouldn't have to mention it, but you apparently missed the point or are intentionally diverting away from it to suit your idiocy.

Except not all schools have such policies. Presumably based on your OP it is okay for non-discriminatory schools to receive the tax credit money.