Private schools in GA expel GLBT students yet continue to receive state dollars

[zsdersw]

http://www.advocate.com/society/edu...-support-scholarships-antigay-private-schools

More than 100 private schools in Georgia that bar openly LGBT students are accept $170 million in state money each year while continuing to discriminate against students.

The schools receive a tax credit program that turn state funds into scholarships for religiously based private schools.The 115 schools, however, explicitly enforce policies that condemn homosexuality, often punishing students who come out by expelling them.

Steve Suitts, the vice president of the Southern Education Foundation, wrote a report for his organization, showing that at least one-third of the state's private schools that honor the scholarship have antigay policies. Furthermore, two of the seven organizations that provide accreditation to private schools also adhere to antigay policies.

For example, the 500-student Augusta Christian School states that "each student of the school shall be of the highest moral character and be obedient to all Biblical principles, including, but not limited to, prohibitions against fornication, drug use, alcohol use, pornography and homosexuality." The Cumberland Christian Academy stipulates that "Students shall not promote or participate in immorality such as pornography, adultery, fornication, pre-marital sex, or homosexuality."

The Cherokee Christian Schools in Woodstock, Georgia will punish students for even making the statement of being LGBT "or otherwise immoral." Providence Christian Academy will not only expel gay students, but also students who support or condone gay rights.

"[P]ublic funds should not support schools that exclude, condemn, and demonize students for who they are and who they accept in their lives," Suitts wrote. "Tax dollars should go to schools that educate all students. That is the promise and virtue of our democracy."

If true, way to go, GA... setting an example (of what not to do) for the rest of the US.

Private schools can discriminate all they want, but not when taking taxpayer dollars.

 

[nehalem256]

Providence Christian Academy will not only expel gay students

I assume this means students who come out as gay. Are they treated any different than students who "come out" as fornicators?

but also students who support or condone gay rights.

How are they discriminating? They will expel straight and gay students for promoting gay rights.

 

[zsdersw]

I assume this means students who come out as gay. Are they treated any different than students who "come out" as fornicators?

There's an inherent difference between fornicating and coming out as gay. It would be akin to getting expelled for saying at a Christian school "I'm Muslim".

How are they discriminating? They will expel straight and gay students for promoting gay rights.

Do they? It doesn't say.

 

[1prophet]

http://www.advocate.com/society/edu...-support-scholarships-antigay-private-schools



If true, way to go, GA... setting an example (of what not to do) for the rest of the US.

Private schools can discriminate all they want, but not when taking taxpayer dollars.

Problem is even when they weren't taking tax dollars the government went after private schools using the IRS for discrimination.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5502785

Separation of religion of state only works when both sides respect it, if one side or the other tries to force their views through legislation or the courts it all starts to fall apart, and so called liberals in government are just as guilty as the religious right they helped create.

And for those to obtuse to get it, religious freedom doesn't mean you can beat your wife, honor kill your daughter, throw your underage son out the door to fend for himself because he is gay, etc.

likewise the government shouldn't be using the courts or legislation to tell people who they can or cannot associate with in private churches or schools as long as they don't take government money, no matter how bigoted or distasteful they might be like the Westboro Baptist Church for example.

 

[nehalem256]

There's an inherent difference between fornicating and coming out as gay.

I said coming out as a fornicator.

The only difference is that most people do not choose to define themselves by their fornication.

It would be akin to getting expelled for saying at a Christian school "I'm Muslim".

Muslims probably have the sense not to attend "Providence Christian Academy".

Do they? It doesn't say.

Providence Christian Academy will not only expel gay students, but also students who support or condone gay rights.

Did you read your article before posting it?

 

[Oyeve]

Those crazy christians again.

 

[zsdersw]

I said coming out as a fornicator.

The only difference is that most people do not choose to define themselves by their fornication.

Gay people don't automatically define themselves by their sexual orientation, either. Homosexuality is a personal trait; a part of one's self.. it is not the only identity someone has.

Muslims probably have the sense not to attend "Providence Christian Academy".

And what if they chose to do so?

Did you read your article before posting it?

Can you read? It doesn't say whether they have any straight students advocating GLBT rights or whether they treat them any different. Don't read between the lines.

 

[nehalem256]

Gay people don't automatically define themselves by their sexual orientation, either. Homosexuality is a personal trait; a part of one's self.. it is not the only identity someone has.

So its like fornicating.

And what if they chose to do so?

Then I imagine they would be subject to Christian indoctrination. Which is of course why a Muslim parent would not send their child to such a school.

Can you read? It doesn't say whether they have any straight students advocating GLBT rights or whether they treat them any different. Don't read between the lines.

Providence Christian Academy will not only expel gay students, but also students who support or condone gay rights.

What about this sentence is unclear? The first part makes it clear they will expel students who are openly gay(and hence inherently promoting homosexuality). The second part says they will expel students for supporting or condoning gay rights; the only reason to add this is if they are(or would) expelling either students who are secretly gay or straight as well.

 

[dank69]

Did you put the G before the L in your title because you think you're better than them?

 

[zsdersw]

So its like fornicating.

No, it's not.

Then I imagine they would be subject to Christian indoctrination. Which is of course why a Muslim parent would not send their child to such a school.

You're side-stepping the point. Expelling a Muslim student simply because he's Muslim is religious discrimination.

What about this sentence is unclear? The first part makes it clear they will expel students who are openly gay(and hence inherently promoting homosexuality). The second part says they will expel students for supporting or condoning gay rights; the only reason to add this is if they are(or would) expelling either students who are secretly gay or straight as well.

That's probably not what you meant, because it still means they're expelling students simply for being gay, whether they're open about it or not. That's publicly-funded (in this case) discrimination, which is wrong.

 

[zsdersw]

Did you put the G before the L in your title because you think you're better than them?

I've always referred to it as GLBT, and yes.. I do think I'm better than them. They may think they're better than me, but I don't care what they think.

 

[nehalem256]

You're side-stepping the point. Expelling a Muslim student simply because he's Muslim is religious discrimination.

So you would prefer LGBT students be subjected to indoctrination on the evils of homosexuality? :hmm:

That's probably not what you meant, because it still means they're expelling students simply for being gay, whether they're open about it or not. That's publicly-funded (in this case) discrimination, which is wrong.

They are expelling students for supporting gay rights. How is the school suppose to determine if the student is straight or secretly gay? The answer is they cannot.

From your own article is says the school expels students for supporting gay rights. If they were only expelling gay students for support gay rights would be redundant as they would already be expelled for being gay. There is only one logical way to read it.

 

[zsdersw]

So you would prefer LGBT students be subjected to indoctrination on the evils of homosexuality? :hmm:

I'd prefer they not receive taxpayer dollars.

They are expelling students for supporting gay rights. How is the school suppose to determine if the student is straight or secretly gay? The answer is they cannot.

From your own article is says the school expels students for supporting gay rights.

They're expelling students for coming out as gay, whether they openly advocate for GLBT rights and issues or not.

 

[Iron Woode]

No, it's not.



You're side-stepping the point. Expelling a Muslim student simply because he's Muslim is religious discrimination.



That's probably not what you meant, because it still means they're expelling students simply for being gay, whether they're open about it or not. That's publicly-funded (in this case) discrimination, which is wrong.

I didn't think anyone could be this dense.

Muslim parents will not send their kids to a private Christian school because they don't teach Islamic studies at Christian schools. Seriously, you can't grasp this?

The private school expels gay students and any (gay, straight, from an alien planet) student supporting and condoning gay rights. Seriously, you can't grasp this?

or are you just trolling?

 

[zsdersw]

I didn't think anyone could be this dense.

Me either, but you're clear proof that it happens.

Muslim parents will not send their kids to a private Christian school because they don't teach Islamic studies at Christian schools. Seriously, you can't grasp this?

Seriously, you cannot grasp that it was an analogy? Let me spell it out for you: What if a Muslim student DID go to a Christian school and was expelled simply for being Muslim? Answer: it would be religious discrimination, which is fine.. but not when the school is receiving public funds.

The private school expels gay students and any (gay, straight, from an alien planet) student supporting and condoning gay rights. Seriously, you can't grasp this?

or are you just trolling?

Yes, they expel gay students... which is clearly discrimination simply for being gay.

 

[Jaskalas]

:hmm: Are they okay if they don't ask and don't tell?
Is that something society can handle, or are there witch hunts to 'out' them?

We know the answer to that. Society is too immature to handle this issue properly. To leave well enough alone. Seems it may be government's place to step in and protect minority citizens as needed.

Does it seem like a civil society to attack those who are confused about their sexuality?

 

[Iron Woode]

Me either, but you're clear proof that it happens.



Seriously, you cannot grasp that it was an analogy? Let me spell it out for you: What if a Muslim student DID go to a Christian school and was expelled simply for being Muslim? Answer: it would be religious discrimination, which is fine.. but not when the school is receiving public funds.



Yes, they expel gay students... which is clearly discrimination simply for being gay.

you seem obsessed with expelling gay students.

I am opposed to discrimination of any kind, but you are getting a little extreme.

It has been established that the school is expelling gay students and any other students that support them. Since this is not in dispute, why do you keep repeating it?

As for the Muslim issue, its a bad analogy. Being Muslim doesn't violate Christian teachings; being gay does.

So, to recap: the private Christian school is expelling gay students as well as those that violate Biblical teachings whether they are gay or not.

Or maybe its the issue of public money? Then how about checking to see if there are conditions on receiving said monies?

Now that that's cleared up, let's move on to something else.

 

[nehalem256]

you seem obsessed with expelling gay students.

I am opposed to discrimination of any kind, but you are getting a little extreme.

Apparently he would prefer the school not expel the student and instead subject them say special "Christian Studies classes" talking about the evils of homosexuality and how they will burn in hell for all eternity unless they repent.

It seems the school is really doing the student a favor by expelling them. They are not a good fit for the school.

 

[zsdersw]

you seem obsessed with expelling gay students.

I am opposed to discrimination of any kind, but you are getting a little extreme.

It has been established that the school is expelling gay students and any other students that support them. Since this is not in dispute, why do you keep repeating it?

Getting extreme? Says the pot to the kettle...

As for the Muslim issue, its a bad analogy. Being Muslim doesn't violate Christian teachings; being gay does.

Actually, no. Being gay, simply having the attraction to the same sex, doesn't violate Christian teachings.. having homosexual sex is the violation.

So, to recap: the private Christian school is expelling gay students as well as those that violate Biblical teachings whether they are gay or not.

Or maybe its the issue of public money? Then how about checking to see if there are conditions on receiving said monies?

Now that that's cleared up, let's move on to something else.

Yes, my problem with it is the fact that they receive public money. Georgia has anti-discrimination laws, so institutions that receive state funds cannot discriminate.

 

[zsdersw]

Apparently he would prefer the school not expel the student and instead subject them say special "Christian Studies classes" talking about the evils of homosexuality and how they will burn in hell for all eternity unless they repent.

It seems the school is really doing the student a favor by expelling them. They are not a good fit for the school.

I don't really care that the school is expelling gay students. As I've said, they're discriminating and receiving taxpayer dollars, which is the problem.

If both public and private institutions are to be on the receiving end of public money, what essential difference between them remains?

 

[Iron Woode]

Apparently he would prefer the school not expel the student and instead subject them say special "Christian Studies classes" talking about the evils of homosexuality and how they will burn in hell for all eternity unless they repent.

It seems the school is really doing the student a favor by expelling them. They are not a good fit for the school.

I understand this.

the op seems to think he can change the school's position and have it accept gay students by government mandate.

This is never going to work and both parties will just dig in their heels and nothing good will result.

 

[zsdersw]

the op seems to think he can change the school's position and have it accept gay students by government mandate.

I'd much rather the schools stop receiving public funds.

 

[nehalem256]

Actually, no. Being gay, simply having the attraction to the same sex, doesn't violate Christian teachings.. having homosexual sex is the violation.

And do you think if a student said they had homosexual attractions, but wanted the Power of Christ to keep them from sinning they would be expelled?

Face it. "Coming out" as gay is implicitly endorsing the homosexual lifestyle.

 

[Iron Woode]

Getting extreme? Says the pot to the kettle...



Actually, no. Being gay, simply having the attraction to the same sex, doesn't violate Christian teachings.. having homosexual sex is the violation.



Yes, my problem with it is the fact that they receive public money. Georgia has anti-discrimination laws, so institutions that receive state funds cannot discriminate.

Yes, it does. You are not a Christian or you would know the Church's position on homosexuality. I am assuming they are Roman Catholic.

did you actually look up this law? Why isn't the school being charged then? I am sure there must be complaints filed against the school. So why hasn't the state done something yet?

Maybe there is a loop hole or 2 in the legislation?

 

[StrangerGuy]

I'd much rather the schools stop receiving public funds.

Yeah I dunno WTF is so difficult to understand. If they want the right as a private organization to kick out gays, then they should not receive any public funding. Can't have it both ways.