President is really winding up the anti-immigrant crowd - order to end birthright citizenship

[IronWing]

Nobody said that the birth was illegal.

So what’s your position again?

 

[Jhhnn]

ALL of those problems would be solved by granting citizenship to all of the illegal immigrants who proved themselves as otherwise law-abiding, worthy, and hard working members of society.

Too easy.

 

[Svnla]

ALL of those problems would be solved by granting citizenship to all of the illegal immigrants who proved themselves as otherwise law-abiding, worthy, and hard working members of society.

Since when breaking immigration rules and laws = law-abiding?

And the millions and millions of law-abiding, worthy, and hardworking LEGAL immigrants can continue their wait in vain for years and years to get in the LEGAL way. Where are the "fairness", "equality", "inclusive" and all of the bullcrap you guys have been preaching?

Fuck them, right? Why even bother pretending to have immigration rules and laws? What a bunch of fools, trying to do things the right way. /s

One more thing. Can you or any of you tell me one, just one, sovereign country on Earth with a centralized government that you can sneak in or overstay your visa and then will be granted citizenship after a few years? Uh huh.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Since when breaking immigration rules and laws = law-abiding?

Since you don't count speeding as making you a criminal. Breaking immigration laws is roughly the legal equivalent of doing 45 in a 30 zone.

And the millions and millions of law-abiding, worthy, and hardworking LEGAL immigrants can continue their wait in vain for years and years to get in the LEGAL way.

Here is an idea, how about we make it easier for all of them to become citizens so no one has to wait years. That would be fair right?

 

[Svnla]

Since you don't count speeding as making you a criminal. Breaking immigration laws is roughly the legal equivalent of doing 45 in a 30 zone.
Here is an idea, how about we make it easier for all of them to become citizens so no one has to wait years. That would be fair right?

So don't say them ILLEGALS as "law-abiding". Like saying DT is kind and moderate.

I want peace, love, and rainbow for all mankind too. But it is not happening. LEGALS should be processed first before ILLEGALS. Equality and fairness, right? No reply to my last question from above? Let see you or any of you sneak in/overstay any sovereign country and then claim it is only like speeding.

 

[SMOGZINN]

So don't say them ILLEGALS as "law-abiding". Like saying DT is kind and moderate.

People can not be illegal. The very concept is against the founding principles of this nation. They are abiding by the laws of the nation the live in. Maybe entering the nation was illegal, but that is past tense, you can not be in a constant state of 'legal' or 'illegal' it does not work that way. Breaking the law is an act, not a state of being. So, if you break the law you have committed an act that was illegal (and even then only if a court of your peers decides so), that does not make you illegal. The act is illegal, not the person.

LEGALS should be processed first before ILLEGALS.

Then don't complain about undocumented immigrants until you finish processing the documented ones first.

Let see you sneak in/overstay any sovereign country and then claim it is only like speeding.

I'm not in another country am I? And by the way the myth that every other country is tougher on immigration is a complete fantasy. America is about in the middle as far as immigration policy goes.

No reply to my last question from above?

You talking about this question?

Can you or any of you tell me one, just one, sovereign country on Earth with a centralized government that you can sneak in or overstay your visa and then will be granted citizenship after a few years?

I can name one off the top of my head, Spain.

 

[Svnla]

People can not be illegal. The very concept is against the founding principles of this nation. They are abiding by the laws of the nation the live in. Maybe entering the nation was illegal, but that is past tense, you can not be in a constant state of 'legal' or 'illegal' it does not work that way. Breaking the law is an act, not a state of being. So, if you break the law you have committed an act that was illegal (and even then only if a court of your peers decides so), that does not make you illegal. The act is illegal, not the person.




Then don't complain about undocumented immigrants until you finish processing the documented ones first.



I'm not in another country am I? And by the way the myth that every other country is tougher on immigration is a complete fantasy. America is about in the middle as far as immigration policy goes.




You talking about this question?



I can name one off the top of my head, Spain.

Let me make it clear. They are ILLEGAL aliens. Not undocumented immigrants. Like saying redneck Billy Bob as undocumented honor grad of MIT, Yale, and Harvard

I will say what in my mind. LEGALS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ILLEGALS. Period. American needs to enforce its current immigration rules and laws for ALL. Not just one group and not for another. Equality and fairness for all, right?

Spain? You mean this one? Look at the date 8/30/2018.

Spain, known for having one of the most tolerant immigration policies in Europe and accepting boatloads of migrants when no other EU nation would, was expected to open its doors even wider under its new socialist government. But that policy now appears to be going in reverse.

- https://www.voanews.com/a/spain-orders-mass-deportation-of-african-migrants/4551044.html

 

[Vic]

Too easy.

More like there's not enough opportunities to make money through corruption. ICE agents would lose their 6-figure govt jobs, Republican-voting employers would lose their cheap labor, and Republican politicians and talking heads wouldn't lose a crucial issue to fearmonger voters over.

We saw exactly the same thing with reefer madness and the war drugs. Republicans pushing mindless fear fear fear in order to prop up govt jobs, for profit prisons, and to whip up votes. And now that 10 states have legalized recreational cannabis.. the world has not stopped turning.

 

[Vic]

Since when breaking immigration rules and laws = law-abiding?

And the millions and millions of law-abiding, worthy, and hardworking LEGAL immigrants can continue their wait in vain for years and years to get in the LEGAL way. Where are the "fairness", "equality", "inclusive" and all of the bullcrap you guys have been preaching?

Fuck them, right? Why even bother pretending to have immigration rules and laws? What a bunch of fools, trying to do things the right way. /s

One more thing. Can you or any of you tell me one, just one, sovereign country on Earth with a centralized government that you can sneak in or overstay your visa and then will be granted citizenship after a few years? Uh huh.

Funny, I was so careful to say "OTHERWISE law-abiding," but of course the resident mindless ranting xenophobe here can't read.

 

[Svnla]

Funny, I was so careful to say "OTHERWISE law-abiding," but of course the resident mindless ranting xenophobe here can't read.

Hummm... wanting everyone to follow existing immigration rules and laws equally, no exception = xenophobic now?

Another perfect example of "calm and measured" post from Vic.

Keep digging for more excuses and labels.

Let see. Break the laws/rules to get here and stay here. Lay low for a few years, then all are ok per Vic and company. Hey, let all do that. Why even bother to have a border and immigration rules/laws? Let do that and save all the money and time.

 

[Viper1j]

Since when breaking immigration rules and laws = law-abiding?

And the millions and millions of law-abiding, worthy, and hardworking LEGAL immigrants can continue their wait in vain for years and years to get in the LEGAL way. Where are the "fairness", "equality", "inclusive" and all of the bullcrap you guys have been preaching?

Fvck them, right? Why even bother pretending to have immigration rules and laws? What a bunch of fools, trying to do things the right way. /s.

That's pretty much what Malaria's parents said after Donny pushed them to the front of the line..

 

[Svnla]

That's pretty much what Malaria's parents said after Donny pushed them to the front of the line..

If you have anything illegal or improper about Melania's immigration status and process, feel free to post here.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Let me make it clear. They are ILLEGAL aliens. Not undocumented immigrants.

Let me make myself clear. People can not be illegal. That is the rhetoric that allows for gas chambers. This is the last I will say on this. I will not debate you as long as you continue to use rhetoric intended to dehumanize people.

 

[Svnla]

Let me make myself clear. People can not be illegal. That is the rhetoric that allows for gas chambers. This is the last I will say on this. I will not debate you as long as you continue to use rhetoric intended to dehumanize people.

I am just calling they are what they are. A spade as a spade. I don't care whether they are black/white/brown/green/yellow, gay or straight or whatever. Everyone (no exception) need to either follow the rules/laws or pay the consequence(s).

Gas chamber? LOL. Are you for real? Have I ever advocate any violence to them? Nope, nada, zip. Never.

Any other country? Spain is not working for you.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I am just calling they are what they are. A spade as a spade. I don't care whether they are black/white/brown/green/yellow, gay or straight or whatever. Everyone (no exception) need to either follow the rules/laws or pay the consequence(s).

You seem to be looking for a final solution.

 

[Svnla]

You seem to be looking for a final solution.

Let me make myself perfectly clear. This is what I said before and I will say it again.

"everyone to follow existing immigration rules and laws equally, no exception"

I dare you or anyone to find anything from my posts and quote me as an advocate of any type of violent or mistreatment toward ILLEGALS.

 

[Vic]

Hummm... wanting everyone to follow existing immigration rules and laws equally, no exception = xenophobic now?

Another perfect example of "calm and measured" post from Vic.

Keep digging for more excuses and labels.

Well, of course, you don't want all of the laws enforced equally and with no exception. That's just almost childish in its naivete.

But tell ya what, I'll take you up on that challenge. Let's finally enforce all of the laws equally and without any exception. I would be all for that. Because the best way IMO to get unpopular laws changed or repealed is to actually enforce them, equally and without exception.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Since you don't count speeding as making you a criminal. Breaking immigration laws is roughly the legal equivalent of doing 45 in a 30 zone.



Here is an idea, how about we make it easier for all of them to become citizens so no one has to wait years. That would be fair right?

I'm sure Trump would be all for that if he could make them indentured servants for 10 years.

I mean, we know he doesn't care about paying taxes, and he doesn't mind hiring illegals either. He's only using the illegal angle to get people riled up because he knows it is a hot topic. It amazes me that anyone who isn't making at least 500k a year supports anything this guy says. He didn't earn his money, and all those 'breaks' were to help him and his kids.

 

[Jhhnn]

Let me make myself perfectly clear. This is what I said before and I will say it again.

"everyone to follow existing immigration rules and laws equally, no exception"

I dare you or anyone to find anything from my posts and quote me as an advocate of any type of violent or mistreatment toward ILLEGALS.

Except that the people who are the subject of this thread aren't immigrants but rather native born citizens, America's children. Their welfare doesn't concern you at all, apparently.

 

[Vic]

You seem to be looking for a final solution.

I would just say that he seems oblivious to the fact that his ideas might have unintended negative consequences.

 

[Svnla]

Well, of course, you don't want all of the laws enforced equally and with no exception. That's just almost childish in its naivete.

But tell ya what, I'll take you up on that challenge. Let's finally enforce all of the laws equally and without any exception. I would be all for that. Because the best way IMO to get unpopular laws changed or repealed is to actually enforce them, equally and without exception.

What did I say that you did not understand? Did I say ever say let enforce immigration rules equally for browns and blacks and others but not for whites? Or let deport or throw those dirty invaders from the southern border in jail for 10 years or more but let those fine white folks from Europ alone? Did I? Nope, nada, zip. Xenophobic indeed. LOL.


Then you go on with your usual ranting and twist my words into extreme.

 

[Vic]

Since you don't count speeding as making you a criminal. Breaking immigration laws is roughly the legal equivalent of doing 45 in a 30 zone.

Could you just imagine how quickly some of the ridiculously low highway speed limits in some areas of this country would be changed in every single speeding violation actually resulted in enforcement?

 

[Svnla]

Except that the people who are the subject of this thread aren't immigrants but rather native born citizens, America's children. Their welfare doesn't concern you at all, apparently.

Ok. Let say Billy Bob needed some money quick. He did make some meth to sell and now he will be in jail for a while. Shall we let him free because his two kids will be without him? Look at the kids welfare...whaaaaaaaaaa......

 

[Svnla]

Could you just imagine how quickly some of the ridiculously low highway speed limits in some areas of this country would be changed in every single speeding violation actually resulted in enforcement?

Gotta love how you guys use logic.

a) This is ok for me: speeding enforces to all.

b) This is not ok: speeding enforces for certain group but lets others in other groups go.

See my point yet?

When I say "no exception" as no exception of race/creed/colors/background/etc. In other words, it does not matter what you are or who you are or whatever, you have to follow the same rules/standards as everyone else. Fair and equal, right?

 

[ElFenix]

Gotta love how you guys use logic.

a) This is ok for me: speeding enforces to all.

b) This is not ok: speeding enforces for certain group but lets others in other groups go.

See my point yet?

what's your position on birthright citizenship, since this ain't the caravan thread.