Oops, typo. That's the best you've got?
Then you link an article that has nothing to do with the DNC rules. Couldn't even follow a simple request?
The primary has barely begun and you've made all the decisions already.
Good work. Impressive, really.
Oops, typo. That's the best you've got?
Then you link an article that has nothing to do with the DNC rules. Couldn't even follow a simple request?
The primary has barely begun and you've made all the decisions already.
Good work. Impressive, really.
JEDIYoda
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Of course he knows that's not what was asked. Just wait for the ranting and foaming at the mouth. Probably some condescending behavior, too. He's pretty predictable.
The margins aren't significant enough to try to pick someone without even a plurality, and besides Biden who is most similar, everyone else is likely to do worse than Bernie, not including the effects of coming out of a contested convention. Whoever has the plurality should in most cases get the nom. It'll smell something awful too if Bernie keeps good one-on-one matchups against the other Democrat challengers along with a plurality, yet comes out the loser.
K1052
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The bulk of Sanders' policies are just facts of life elsewhere in the developed world even among righty governments. Entirely non-controversial. I mean the tories want to ban fossil fuel cars in the UK by 2030.
In large part people under 50 are increasingly appreciating this fact as the wealth gap in the country yawns to incredible proportions thanks to decades of tax cuts, massive corporate profiteering/ consolidation resulting in ever higher prices, and shrinking government financial support and nonexistant cost controls for essential services (health, education, childcare, transportation, etc). This is what's causing the rending of clothes in the upper echelons of the Democratic Party establishment and pundits. The older party powers that appear to be not cluing in yet to this shift and are too busy pearl clutching about how this could possibly happen. I think this will die down over the next year as the possible advantages come into view.
In large part people under 50 are increasingly appreciating this fact as the wealth gap in the country yawns to incredible proportions thanks to decades of tax cuts, massive corporate profiteering/ consolidation resulting in ever higher prices, and shrinking government financial support and nonexistant cost controls for essential services (health, education, childcare, transportation, etc). This is what's causing the rending of clothes in the upper echelons of the Democratic Party establishment and pundits. The older party powers that appear to be not cluing in yet to this shift and are too busy pearl clutching about how this could possibly happen. I think this will die down over the next year as the possible advantages come into view.
I agree entirely. Was just listening to Chris Lu (he's a DNC superdelegate, among many other accomplishments) on Julie Mason's show on SiriusXM and he had some really practical points on the topic which generally mirror these.
Will depend on what kind of lead the front has, how he or she matches up in national polls, etc. etc.
OILFIELDTRASH
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Seeing how badly Obamacare fucked up medical for the whole country I'm not willing to find out how "free" healthcare screws us. I'll be placing my vote for Trump. Would much rather vote for a moderate democrat like Klobuchar or Bloomberg but voting Sanders in leaves me no choice but to vote for Trump. Also not digging the loan forgiveness nonsense either. Unless that includes mortgages too. Sorry but education is an investment in one's self and should be paid for by the individual.
JEDIYoda
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Concerning your vote -- tell us something we already did not know, please.......
Concerning your opinion of Obamacare you are entitled to your misguided opinion!
Trump has no plans for healthcare other than to screw those who have pre-existing conditions!
At least we know what side you are on!
Please describe, in detail, how the ACA "fucked up medical for the whole country." Again, be specific.
It's OK, we'll wait while you search for a talking points.
Fanatical Meat
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This is such Republican Bullshit. She passed a question about the water quality for a debate that was being held in FUCKING FLINT MICHIGAN!
Any candidate that didn't know there would be a water question should have been immediately disqualified.
Education is an investment in the country too. Those people who go to school and get jobs will be buying houses, cars, paying taxes, etc.
And as I understand it, it's free public education...someone going to Harvard or something isn't getting a free ride?
kage69
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The fuckup is the system your side wants to perpetuate, not Obamacare actually working. It's clear where you get your news from. Maybe you've noticed Dear Leader has absolutely fuck all for a plan or idea to actually help Americans not go bankrupt if they get sick? Hot damn you need to lay off the talk radio and Fox
The 'reluctance' to vote for Trump too haha, Miss Lindsey Graham grade performance right there.
Speaking of education, you could do with some self investment. The info is there, not hard to find.
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BonzaiDuck
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Every day my mind is blown away to a further degree the more I hear of the reality balloon the Trumpers are living in.
" . . . Obamacare fucked up medical care for the whole country . . . " ????!!!!
It was a GOP proposal in the first place, resurrected by Dems, since the crisis for the some 20 million uninsured persisted and nothing had been done.
Then they started spinning the nonsense that everyone's health insurance premiums were "going up". People were screaming "don't let the government f*** with my Medicare!" The rumors persisted.
Meanwhile, everyone I knew who paid health insurance premiums only cited premium increases at the same level they were BEFORE the passage of Obamacare. At one point, my Blue Cross Blue Shield provider LOWERED my premiums by $20/month, and since then -- again -- premium increases were less than $15/month each year.
McConnell and the others continued to promote the idea of canceling Obamacare.
Meanwhile, my brother -- who is indigent and had no health insurance -- was diagnosed with a serious circulatory problem, even to the point of developing gangrene in his left foot. But he was mustered into California's ACA program. Suddenly, he's getting wonderful treatment. Before Trump's election, they were even covering his transport to and from medical facilities. His latest prognosis: He should get to keep his leg for at least two more years.
Then we continue with the decision to strike down the individual mandate -- a small tax that covers the collective liability of uncovered people who choose not to be insured, but whose unforeseen medical expenses would be a burden to society.
Now, we've gone three years into the administration of our Virus president. The ACA persists, but nothing more has been done, even if we were promised by President Sociopath that "We would have Gurrr-EAT health care!"
WHAT SORT OF STUFF ARE THESE PEOPLE DRINKING IN THEIR BEER?! Or WHO is providing them their DELUSIONAL KOOL-AID?!
40% of the electorate has gone bat-s*** crazy!!!
" . . . Obamacare fucked up medical care for the whole country . . . " ????!!!!
It was a GOP proposal in the first place, resurrected by Dems, since the crisis for the some 20 million uninsured persisted and nothing had been done.
Then they started spinning the nonsense that everyone's health insurance premiums were "going up". People were screaming "don't let the government f*** with my Medicare!" The rumors persisted.
Meanwhile, everyone I knew who paid health insurance premiums only cited premium increases at the same level they were BEFORE the passage of Obamacare. At one point, my Blue Cross Blue Shield provider LOWERED my premiums by $20/month, and since then -- again -- premium increases were less than $15/month each year.
McConnell and the others continued to promote the idea of canceling Obamacare.
Meanwhile, my brother -- who is indigent and had no health insurance -- was diagnosed with a serious circulatory problem, even to the point of developing gangrene in his left foot. But he was mustered into California's ACA program. Suddenly, he's getting wonderful treatment. Before Trump's election, they were even covering his transport to and from medical facilities. His latest prognosis: He should get to keep his leg for at least two more years.
Then we continue with the decision to strike down the individual mandate -- a small tax that covers the collective liability of uncovered people who choose not to be insured, but whose unforeseen medical expenses would be a burden to society.
Now, we've gone three years into the administration of our Virus president. The ACA persists, but nothing more has been done, even if we were promised by President Sociopath that "We would have Gurrr-EAT health care!"
WHAT SORT OF STUFF ARE THESE PEOPLE DRINKING IN THEIR BEER?! Or WHO is providing them their DELUSIONAL KOOL-AID?!
40% of the electorate has gone bat-s*** crazy!!!
Torn Mind
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Government presents the illusion of nobility, but it is behaves like a variation of the corporation, but an immortal one. Government too, likes to pocket money, and if they can find a way to terminate a life via a so-called legitimate cause, they will. A totally free ride Medicare-for-all seems extraordinary to just fund, especially when programs with limitations like the current Medicare and Medicaid already require an enormous amount of funding. The crafty way in which Obamacare can avoid spending funds is that specialists you get referred to simply will not accept your insurance. For a young guy like me, I can handle it, but for someone hanging by a thread, it could be death.
Just because the federal government is big doesn't mean budget doesn't matter. The funding comes from bonds or taxes. Taxes pay the bills now. Bonds pays them later, and the holders(China) gets interest in return.
His eviction law is far too overreaching and blunt of an instrument. Here in the bluest counties(Montgomery, P.G, Baltimore City) in Maryland, the courts already bury the records from public viewing if you file for "failure to pay rent", so local landlords are blind to their non-payment history. The process is also slow. 2-3 months to evict.
I also will never support treating Mexico's border on the level of being an honorary 51st state. Those who grow up on the grittier, poorer side of the tracks are naturally shrewder than the rich people who feel sorry for them and believe whatever narrative they swallow wholesale.
As fan of the Montreal Canadiens, I can say that just because one boss is showing signs of incompetence, doesn't mean his replacement will necessarily be better. From Pierre Gauthier to Marc Bergevin came a decline in roster management from bad to worse.
Now, Bernie is hitting it home on all the right parts, such as putting on a show that he is not a Wall Street puppet, that unions and working class(key to regaining those blue wall Midwestern states) matter, and that he's "authentic".
Just because the federal government is big doesn't mean budget doesn't matter. The funding comes from bonds or taxes. Taxes pay the bills now. Bonds pays them later, and the holders(China) gets interest in return.
His eviction law is far too overreaching and blunt of an instrument. Here in the bluest counties(Montgomery, P.G, Baltimore City) in Maryland, the courts already bury the records from public viewing if you file for "failure to pay rent", so local landlords are blind to their non-payment history. The process is also slow. 2-3 months to evict.
I also will never support treating Mexico's border on the level of being an honorary 51st state. Those who grow up on the grittier, poorer side of the tracks are naturally shrewder than the rich people who feel sorry for them and believe whatever narrative they swallow wholesale.
As fan of the Montreal Canadiens, I can say that just because one boss is showing signs of incompetence, doesn't mean his replacement will necessarily be better. From Pierre Gauthier to Marc Bergevin came a decline in roster management from bad to worse.
Now, Bernie is hitting it home on all the right parts, such as putting on a show that he is not a Wall Street puppet, that unions and working class(key to regaining those blue wall Midwestern states) matter, and that he's "authentic".
OILFIELDTRASH
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This is personal experience. Not hearsay. Job I was at healthcare costs went up about 10% for me. I was young and cost was based on age. The older guys on the other hand were forced to pay about 4x or 5x the cost. Was job searching a year or so after and many places that I applied to either couldn't offer insurance (when they could in the past) or it was so high that it didn't make sense to even have it. In that case you were forced to pay a fine to the IRS because you weren't covered. It was around $150 to $200 a month if I remember correctly. A lot of guys would just pay the fine at the end of the year because it was significantly cheaper than the new premiums.
Ohhh wait, so you're anecdotal experience filled with hearsay (which you reported it wouldn't be) equates to, what was it, "fucked up medical for the whole country."
Yep, you nailed it. Obviously I see you're not really here to discuss the actual facts to any level of detail so I suppose I'll just leave you with my own anecdote...
.. I didn't even notice when the ACA passed, nothing changed with my coverage, started cheap, ended cheap, coverage was great, didn't even have to change my doctor!
OILFIELDTRASH
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You not being affected doesn't mean others weren't. Lucky for you your employer was kind enough to eat the increased costs. Either way lots of working American's got fucked. If you can't acknowledge the fact that many businesses had to drop healthcare or raise premiums significantly then you are not dealing in truths.
BonzaiDuck
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Oh, I thoroughly agree. Remember Colin Powell? As he distanced himself from the Bush administration, he took this stand on the role of government: "Americans should have those things publicly provided which they want to have publicly provided."
Unfortunately, it would seem important to account for the Opposition's myths, since part of the objective is to peel off some of their votes. One of their central myths is that any expansion of government or any government effectiveness in domestic programs is "socialist", and "socialism is bad; the Jungle is good."
If they believe the myth that "only a bidniss-man can fix it" -- give them an MBA who came from modest means and really earned his money. The real advantage with that choice derives from the fact that Trump is destroying the civil service -- the State Department, the CIA, and everything else. What are the implications?
Simple. We need someone with a mind for organization, money-management, personnel and human relations -- common sense -- to repair the damage that Trump has done.
Only then can we move forward with an effective and reasonably efficient Progressive agenda.
NONE of the candidates in the last debate have articulated this priority, except one. So -- give the Chuckleheads a token for their mythical thinking, while providing management expertise to repair our government. What does Bloomberg WANT for altruistically spending $400+ million on his campaign? I rather doubt he wants anything for either his "socio-economic class" or himself. He probably has his own ideological blinders, but I suspect he's too practical to miss brokering deals with Progressives like Sanders or Warren.
There are maybe 100 million people who are registered or simply eligible to vote who never show up at the polls. Unless you (we) can tap into this mass-movement reservoir, there is a serious risk that Sanders can lose. We will have shot our chances to interrupt the Evil destroying our government, because everyone wants their smorgasbord of goodies before fixing the mechanisms that will implement those choices, or recognizing that for better or worse -- we're stuck with the millstone around our neck of Trumptards and Chucklehead GOP ideologues for as long as they live.
They're not gonna change.
As I see the issue there is one and only one rational way to look at socialism. If you are going to spend public taxes on disadvantaged people the benefits of doing so must be seen by most reasonable people. The proper role for conservative thinking should come in exactly here. The effectiveness of liberal ideas need to be means tested, they must not be allowed to become inefficient or wasteful or people will turn against them. This is why conservatives should work hand in hand. Liberals will find progressive solutions to the problems we face because it is what they excel at and conservatives are needed to insure functionality. Every intelligent and rational person should have both attitudes present simultaneously so that we can create real and genuine social advancement. But this is not what happens. Fear prevents it. The fear of liberals that their goals will be frustrated by conservatives irrationally as we see is happening, and the fear that our taxes will be squandered, for which there is also evidence. Sadly, the integrations of opposites as I describe here as my wishful thinking, only can only happen at a higher level of understanding. And in America today, conservatives have really gone off the deep end, opposing the advancement of civilization.
In a conpetative kill or be killed economic system where it is everybody for him or her self, those with privilege will stand in terror of giving it up. Ego selfishness destroys our greatest gift, the ability to feel empaty for others
Yes, those offering subpar insurance certainly did. In this country we've decided to bind medical insurance and employment. Cost of doing business. If you can't pay, don't go into business. Personally, I think it's ridiculous we do it that way, but it seems to be the way you want it so here we are.
Asking businesses to provide increased coverage (more expensive) rather than just plans that had the illusion of coverage is the responsible thing to do if we're building our system on a foundation of employer provided health plans.
The problem is you were getting fucked before and just didn't realize it.
All that said, "lots of working Americans getting fucked" doesn't actually equate to "fucked up medical for the whole country" in the slightest, because, as we just agreed, it didn't bug me, or millions of others, in the slightest, did it?
The bigger issues were the superdelegates being counted in advance and DWS manipulating the debate schedule.
This was the weaker criticism, but it’s not completely trivial. (Just FYI, from what I remember, her team also received an email about concern over the death penalty.) No matter how it turned out though, the problem remains that candidates aren’t being treated equally.
If you think it’s so unlikely to even matter, look at the cringey interview Amy had with Telemundo. We could ask the same: How could anyone not get prepped on some very basics about the Mexican government and recent events knowing they’re going to be on Telemundo!? It’s even more baffling considering she serves on committees in relation to this.
Klobuchar vs. Buttigieg: "Are You Trying To Say That I'm Dumb?"
HUAC: Senator Klobuchar, you're running on your Washington experience. But last week in a Telemundo interview, you could not name the president of Mexico or discuss any of his policies. Last night, you defended yourself saying, quote, "This isn't 'Jeopardy!'" But my question to you is...
sandorski
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Wut. Bloomberg is a Faustian bargain. He could easily turn on the party. Don't believe me? We didn't even know Garland's position on Citizens United which Democrats would have gladly put through. Potential judges could easily skirt by being vague or ambiguous. The nominee should put people in the VP slot that could run 8 yrs later as potential successors. They should be strong potential contenders years later.
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Torn Mind
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Government is its own business. An immortal business. Business can cook up hoops to get their money, but you can retaliate with Paypal and credit card chargebacks.
The federal government is the bluntest and most unwieldy tool in the toolbox to address problems, especially with 50 states and other locales that have specific needs and resources to manage. 50 delicious testing grounds to test policy on a localized level before going national. The reaction to Trump has spawned a secular morality. A sort of Victorian-esque prudishness that a contingent of this country wants to be infected into government. Gone are the days where a Democrat can make irreverent movies like the Naked Gun and dress up white people to play all the world's bad guys in one room and have Dick Steele beat them up.
The only people who give socialism a chance are virgins who never had been near anyone who has experienced a government who flexed its power to impose the states' values and morality with a proper iron fist. High taxation and redistribution of the spoils is not socialism anyway. It's the control and strictness of enforcement. And unlike sex, there are no orgasms to chase from socialism.
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