Predictions for mueller's testimony

[umbrella39]

Any thoughts about how Trump ordered his subordinates to falsify documents?

That's like a hot potato of obfuscation, distraction, and denial...

But, but, but Hillary (again)...

 

[Victorian Gray]

This entire thing has had all the signs of a political witch hunt from go. Only those blinded by propaganda can't see this. This is just an extended tantrum raging on from Nov of 2016. What we see here is what happens when the everybody gets a trophy crowd doesn't get their way. The left and right have swapped places today. Today the left are the ones holding on to out dated ideas, pushing for group think, thinking it is ok to silence those that say things they find offensive, want to use law to force their morality on people, etc. etc. The right are the freedom fighters doing everything the liberals were fighting for 50 years ago. Watching these evangelical leftists today and their modern version of the Red Scare, their Racist Scare is painful. When they come back to earth and stop living in a land of melodrama I'll be happy to have a conversation with them (and I've had a few here from time to time to be honest, but most of it is just dung flinging from them).

#fuckofftroll

 

[darkswordsman17]

Trump already knew that. The alternative is a pardon from President Pence. Picture it- Trump loses the election. The day before inauguration of his succesor, Trump pardons everybody & their dog including Pence, then resigns. Pence is sworn in, then pardons Trump & they all ride off into the sunset. So long, chumps.

I don't agree. I think Turmp legit thought that he'd be able to live his normal life after serving as President. I don't think Turmp wants to mess with pardons, as for starters its essentially an admission of guilt and there's been discussion on if the pardons would even hold up. I think in Turmp's mind, he thought he could just dismiss everything and then when his term is up, that's it, they couldn't do anything more about it. Now, it means Turmp has to stay as President for the rest of his life. I don't think that's something Turmp wants (or ever wanted), but now he'll feel like he has to. I think this will also increase the damage he attempts to cause in the short term, as now he knows he's fighting for his life, so he'll look to try and create as much chaos as possible as this might be his only chance to do that. 2020 becomes a much bigger deal.

Just look at how Turmp reacted to reporters bringing up the notion of going after him when he's out of office. He went fucking insane (even as far as Turmp goes, you could tell he was triggered much worse than normal). That's not how someone that had such a plan would have acted.

Which I'm not sure he'd be able to trust a pardon by Pence. I still think the Republicans will try to spin things and make Turmp the fall guy. I think they saw this a chance to fuck things up (they've done damage to the government that will take decades to recover from, if it ever can), and then they'll blame Turmp, play dumb about knowing how bad things were, and try and salvage their rep by having a "come to Jesus" moment.

 

[zinfamous]

This entire thing has had all the signs of a political witch hunt from go. Only those blinded by propaganda can't see this. This is just an extended tantrum raging on from Nov of 2016. What we see here is what happens when the everybody gets a trophy crowd doesn't get their way. The left and right have swapped places today. Today the left are the ones holding on to out dated ideas, pushing for group think, thinking it is ok to silence those that say things they find offensive, want to use law to force their morality on people, etc. etc. The right are the freedom fighters doing everything the liberals were fighting for 50 years ago. Watching these evangelical leftists today and their modern version of the Red Scare, their Racist Scare is painful. When they come back to earth and stop living in a land of melodrama I'll be happy to have a conversation with them (and I've had a few here from time to time to be honest, but most of it is just dung flinging from them).

you sure are mad and extra special stupid today.

wonder why that is?

 

[zinfamous]

I'm glad you mentioned the reasoning for Trump being investigated. The "shady" stuff with Russia has been proven to be false and now will be proven that it was started under knowingly false pretenses.

another lie.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

I'm glad you mentioned the reasoning for Trump being investigated. The "shady" stuff with Russia has been proven to be false and now will be proven that it was started under knowingly false pretenses.

Cognjtive dissinance at its finest.

I can't handle the evidence of Trumps collaboration with Russia ergo I must attack the motuve behind the investigation. A motive already proven to originate from....wait for it....Russian meddling in the election.

Add to that the overhwhelmjng amount of evidence indicating obstruction of justice in an investigation which you claim to be innocent....

Pathetic.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't agree. I think Turmp legit thought that he'd be able to live his normal life after serving as President. I don't think Turmp wants to mess with pardons, as for starters its essentially an admission of guilt and there's been discussion on if the pardons would even hold up. I think in Turmp's mind, he thought he could just dismiss everything and then when his term is up, that's it, they couldn't do anything more about it. Now, it means Turmp has to stay as President for the rest of his life. I don't think that's something Turmp wants (or ever wanted), but now he'll feel like he has to. I think this will also increase the damage he attempts to cause in the short term, as now he knows he's fighting for his life, so he'll look to try and create as much chaos as possible as this might be his only chance to do that. 2020 becomes a much bigger deal.

Just look at how Turmp reacted to reporters bringing up the notion of going after him when he's out of office. He went fucking insane (even as far as Turmp goes, you could tell he was triggered much worse than normal). That's not how someone that had such a plan would have acted.

Which I'm not sure he'd be able to trust a pardon by Pence. I still think the Republicans will try to spin things and make Turmp the fall guy. I think they saw this a chance to fuck things up (they've done damage to the government that will take decades to recover from, if it ever can), and then they'll blame Turmp, play dumb about knowing how bad things were, and try and salvage their rep by having a "come to Jesus" moment.

I merely pointed out a surefire way for Trump to avoid federal prosecution for all his past misdeeds.

 

[Paratus]

another lie.

You know the one difference between the human centipede and trumps base is they had to sew the lips of the poor bastards in the human centipede. Trumps base on the other hand eats and spreads that shit gratefully.

 

[thilanliyan]

I'm glad you mentioned the reasoning for Trump being investigated. The "shady" stuff with Russia has been proven to be false and now will be proven that it was started under knowingly false pretenses.

You can keep telling yourself that he is innocent.

Mueller explicitly said he could be indicted once he left office based on the evidence in the report. And that was asked by a Republican no less.

 

[fskimospy]

Not to be a broken record but does anyone want to talk about Trump ordering people to falsify records to obstruct a criminal investigation?

Anyone?

 

[ImpulsE69]

You can keep telling yourself that he is innocent.

Mueller explicitly said he could be indicted once he left office based on the evidence in the report. And that was asked by a Republican no less.

So this confuses me. This is posted everywhere as to Meuller back peddling on his earlier statement:

Later, during his appearance before the House Intelligence Committee, Mueller clarified his response to Lieu, saying that his office did "not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime."

To me this means no evidence.

I also saw elsewhere that there 'was some sort of request to falsify records' which is a crime isn't it?

To me there's way too much double talk going on.

 

[ivwshane]

So this confuses me. This is posted everywhere as to Meuller back peddling on his earlier statement:

Later, during his appearance before the House Intelligence Committee, Mueller clarified his response to Lieu, saying that his office did "not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime."

To me this means no evidence.

I also saw elsewhere that there 'was some sort of request to falsify records' which is a crime isn't it?

To me there's way too much double talk going on.

He didn't reach a determination because he wasn't going to because the principal he was operating under specifically stated that a sitting president can't be indicted.

 

[sportage]

He didn't reach a determination because he wasn't going to because the principal he was operating under specifically stated that a sitting president can't be indicted.

WHICH IS BULLSHIT !!!!
That makes America some third world dictatorship, and the president the dictator.
Just imagine if Charles Mason fooled his way into the presidency? Or, Mike Pence?
Then what?
What do you think Mitch McConnell would do if the shoe were on the other parties foot?
Mitch McCon would indict the SOB. He'd find a way.

 

[DrDoug]

This is posted everywhere as to Meuller back peddling on his earlier statement:

There was no backpedaling, Mueller's purview did not include reaching a determination of him committing a crime. Mueller's response to the *dumb former prosecutor who passes for a congressman was an opinion based on what Mueller's team collected and that Hair Furor can be indicted after he leaves office. He has to win in 2020 or he is going lose, bigly. He is going to pull out the stops for this campaign so if people think it's been horrible, it's going to be a nightmare soon.

His life and fortune depend on it.

* Any good attorney knows that you don't ask a question that you don't know the answer to. This guy clearly was not a good attorney.

 

[Mai72]

Mueller just handed Republicans a gift.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/24/opinions/robert-mueller-hearing-westen/index.html

 

[TheVrolok]

Not to be a broken record but does anyone want to talk about Trump ordering people to falsify records to obstruct a criminal investigation?

Anyone?

Of course they won't answer you. It was confirmed that Trump can be charged with obstruction of justice the minute he is out of office. How could he be charged when out of office, if he didn't do it? These deniers are just religious zealots.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Mueller just handed Republicans a gift.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/24/opinions/robert-mueller-hearing-westen/index.html

I wouldn't call it a gift but we have a special prosecutor who can't prosecute and a House who won't do its Constitutional duty. The first hamstrung by principle which should not have applied and the second by cowardice no matter how weak it makes them appear.

This isn't a good look.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Of course they won't answer you. It was confirmed that Trump can be charged with obstruction of justice the minute he is out of office. How could he be charged when out of office, if he didn't do it? These deniers are just religious zealots.

At this point I don't think anything is going to happen at the Federal level, now or when Trump is out of office. It's going to be up to NY.

 

[fskimospy]

So this confuses me. This is posted everywhere as to Meuller back peddling on his earlier statement:

Later, during his appearance before the House Intelligence Committee, Mueller clarified his response to Lieu, saying that his office did "not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime."

To me this means no evidence.

I also saw elsewhere that there 'was some sort of request to falsify records' which is a crime isn't it?

To me there's way too much double talk going on.

If you think that means no evidence you are egregiously misreading the report and Mueller’s testimony. He’s saying he didn’t make a determination one way or the other. As to whether or not there is evidence if you simply read the report you will see Mueller clearly shows mountains of evidence.

Overall it is sufficient to sustain somewhere around six independent felony charges.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/obstruction-justice-mueller-report-heat-map

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If you think that means no evidence you are egregiously misreading the report and Mueller’s testimony. He’s saying he didn’t make a determination one way or the other. As to whether or not there is evidence if you simply read the report you will see Mueller clearly shows mountains of evidence.

Overall it is sufficient to sustain somewhere around six independent felony charges.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/obstruction-justice-mueller-report-heat-map

Yup, but will it matter at all as far as consequences fitting the crimes?

 

[TheVrolok]

At this point I don't think anything is going to happen at the Federal level, now or when Trump is out of office. It's going to be up to NY.

To be honest, I don't either. And, I think there's a really good chance he gets reelected (EC victory, massive popular vote loss).

 

[TheVrolok]

If you think that means no evidence you are egregiously misreading the report and Mueller’s testimony. He’s saying he didn’t make a determination one way or the other. As to whether or not there is evidence if you simply read the report you will see Mueller clearly shows mountains of evidence.

Overall it is sufficient to sustain somewhere around six independent felony charges.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/obstruction-justice-mueller-report-heat-map

As evidenced by the poster you quoted, many people simply don't follow the complex legal reasoning and rather than educate themselves, they bluster, and call it "double talk."

 

[cytg111]

Nixon only obstructed justice cause he knew he was innocent. He should probably get a do over (25 year dead he'd still be better than Trumpf).

 

[zinfamous]

You know the one difference between the human centipede and trumps base is they had to sew the lips of the poor bastards in the human centipede. Trumps base on the other hand eats and spreads that shit gratefully.

I guess you could call Trump's base "volunteer centipedes."

 

[thilanliyan]

So this confuses me. This is posted everywhere as to Meuller back peddling on his earlier statement:

Later, during his appearance before the House Intelligence Committee, Mueller clarified his response to Lieu, saying that his office did "not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime."

To me this means no evidence.

I also saw elsewhere that there 'was some sort of request to falsify records' which is a crime isn't it?

To me there's way too much double talk going on.

As others have stated, it wasn't in his scope to make a determination of guilt due to the OLC opinion. The report presented evidence that Trump did in fact commit felonies, but no recommendation for prosecution. And when asked if he could be indicted once he left office he said "yes" without hesitation. He would not have said yes to that if there wasn't evidence of crimes.