PREDICTION: Jeb Bush will be nominated and win the next presidential election.

[zinfamous]

trumplestiltskin supporter, personified.

LegendKiller sounds like an Alex Jones-branded tonic/concentrate abuser. I think he is addicted.

 

[buckshot24]

Humm since I voted for him in 2008.......................................

You probably have a black friend too?

 

[zinfamous]

You probably have a black friend too?

I am Facebook friends with Obama, if that is what you mean.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I am Facebook friends with Obama, if that is what you mean.

Me too, but the dude keeps hitting me up for money.

 

[IronWing]

How much to get him to drop out?

$832 billion.

Someone please quote this so His Highness might be informed.

For the record: I'll promise not to run for a small fraction of that.

 

[buckshot24]

I am Facebook friends with Obama, if that is what you mean.

That's what all racists say.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Getting things done with executive orders isn't really getting things done, it's not right and it doesn't last. Picking SC justices is a big deal, but Dubya picked several and we've still had a bunch of rulings lately that have pissed off his core demographics, so it's no guarantee. As for the other thing, politicians don't create political revolutions, they ride them. Sometimes they nurture them too, but as long as half the country wants the other half to fuck off and die no politician will get anything really important done right.

IMO the best thing for America would be Trump getting the nomination, causing everyone left of him to rush to the polls so Clinton gets the White House instead of him. Trump is the true Republican that hardline conservatives have all been praying for; him losing to (in their minds) his antithesis might finally shock them into recognizing that they can't get what they want just by being loud and stubborn. If so, this toxic status quo that we've all accepted for the past twenty-some years might finally begin to pass.

I think a lot of liberals and moderates would love to see Sanders win it all, and I think I would too, but Clinton is seen as the surer bet and that's who people will go to when the opposition is fielding people like Trump.

The odd thing about that is that polls have shown for months that Bernie is the stronger candidate in the general election. He soundly beats every republican candidate, and even has republican supporters.

Personally I believe that the winner of the Dem Primary will almost certainly be president. Though if Trump were to somehow win the nomination, it could potentially be rather close against Hillary. People are so sick of the establishment that a large percentage of the democratic voters would choose to boycott the election, or even support Trump over Hillary.

 

[nickqt]

People are so sick of the establishment that a large percentage of the democratic voters would choose to boycott the election, or even support Trump over Hillary.

Nope.

 

[zinfamous]

That's what all racists say.

LoL I was joking! I don't have Facebook, you clown!
:awe:

 

[buckshot24]

LoL I was joking! I don't have Facebook, you clown!
:awe:

So you're an anti-semite as well?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

LoL I was joking! I don't have Facebook, you clown!
:awe:

that troll is so overfed, no need to keep giving it free meals. It's like incorruptible jr. don't waste your time, you're far better than that.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So you're an anti-semite as well?

No he's plainly anti-clown

 

[MongGrel]

So you're an anti-semite as well?

What, you didn't ask him to prove it ?

Maybe not, but it would be typical.

()

 

[Hugo Drax]

Jeb Bush, comeback kid?
http://theweek.com/articles/595781/jeb-bush-comeback-kid

Jeb is working his stealth campaign. You will see.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Jeb Bush, comeback kid?
http://theweek.com/articles/595781/jeb-bush-comeback-kid

Jeb is working his stealth campaign. You will see.

"His polls numbers have continued to stagnate, and in some cases, plummet."

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Saw an interview with Jeb this morning. Claimed he doesn't need help dealing with Trump from his Brother, then he said all the other candidates are hiding like they're in witness protection. Odd statement he doesn't need help where all evidence shows he needs help, then he pokes at others for not helping.
Personally I'd love to hear a Trump tirade about George.

 

[Indus]

You know the scary thing is that the GOP establishment could install their golden boy as the President despite him not winning any election. How? Just have Jeb run a campaign and have enough electoral votes that no one else gets to 270. Then have the house elect their preferred choice as President.

It has happened before.. John Quincy Adams son of President John Adams became President this way when no one had enough electoral votes and Andrew Jackson had to wait 4 years.

Seems likely if the tea party co-operates but will they?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

You know the scary thing is that the GOP establishment could install their golden boy as the President despite him not winning any election. How? Just have Jeb run a campaign and have enough electoral votes that no one else gets to 270. Then have the house elect their preferred choice as President.

It has happened before.. John Quincy Adams son of President John Adams became President this way when no one had enough electoral votes and Andrew Jackson had to wait 4 years.

Possible but extremely unlikely and far too complicated to plan.
However if this happened we could finally say goodbye to the electoral college.

 

[zinfamous]

You know the scary thing is that the GOP establishment could install their golden boy as the President despite him not winning any election. How? Just have Jeb run a campaign and have enough electoral votes that no one else gets to 270. Then have the house elect their preferred choice as President.

It has happened before.. John Quincy Adams son of President John Adams became President this way when no one had enough electoral votes and Andrew Jackson had to wait 4 years.

Seems likely if the tea party co-operates but will they?

Or, well, you could just have the Supreme Court appoint the president that you want when the opponent actually has enough EC votes to win.

You know, like in 2000.

 

[Hugo Drax]

The Bush family have lots of connections/influence and lots of money has been invested in Jeb "Dilettante golden boy" Bush.

It will be an epic surprise and lots of jaws will be left hanging.

Remember follow the money.

 

[buckshot24]

Or, well, you could just have the Supreme Court appoint the president that you want when the opponent actually has enough EC votes to win.

You know, like in 2000.

267 isn't enough EC votes.

 

[buckshot24]

The Bush family have lots of connections/influence and lots of money has been invested in Jeb "Dilettante golden boy" Bush.

It will be an epic surprise and lots of jaws will be left hanging.

Remember follow the money.

Bush's money so far hasn't done anything for him in the polls.

 

[zinfamous]

267 isn't enough EC votes.

According to SCOTUS, not the voters.

But is it is hard to say either way how many EC votes each candidate had, because SCOTUS refused to allow it to happen.

Bush might have won, quite likely, as some studies showed, but other studies show otherwise:

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/the-florida-recount-of-2000/

As for the SCOTUS ruling, never let a fraudulent SCOTUS decision go without a highly mind-bogglingly absurd and contradictory opinion from Scalia:

Justice Scalia, in a concurring opinion, writes that "the counting of votes that are of questionable legality does in my view threaten irreparable harm to petitioner, and to the country, by casting a cloud upon what he claims to be the legitimacy of his election. Count first, and rule upon legality afterwards, is not a recipe for producing election results that have the public acceptance democratic stability requires." (Bush v. Gore)

http://election2000.stanford.edu/newtimeline.html

basically: we want things to appear legit in the eyes of the public, so the best way to do that is to never allow ourselves to be the position to admit that something was not legit. .....what a fucking idiot.

 

[werepossum]

According to SCOTUS, not the voters.

But is it is hard to say either way how many EC votes each candidate had, because SCOTUS refused to allow it to happen.

Bush might have won, quite likely, as some studies showed, but other studies show otherwise:

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/the-florida-recount-of-2000/

As for the SCOTUS ruling, never let a fraudulent SCOTUS decision go without a highly mind-bogglingly absurd and contradictory opinion from Scalia:



http://election2000.stanford.edu/newtimeline.html

basically: we want things to appear legit in the eyes of the public, so the best way to do that is to never allow ourselves to be the position to admit that something was not legit. .....what a fucking idiot.

Dude, you've gone insane. From your first link:

FULL ANSWER
According to a massive months-long study commissioned by eight news organizations in 2001, George W. Bush probably still would have won even if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a limited statewide recount to go forward as ordered by Florida’s highest court.
Bush also probably would have won had the state conducted the limited recount of only four heavily Democratic counties that Al Gore asked for, the study found.
On the other hand, the study also found that Gore probably would have won, by a range of 42 to 171 votes out of 6 million cast, had there been a broad recount of all disputed ballots statewide. However, Gore never asked for such a recount. The Florida Supreme Court ordered only a recount of so-called "undervotes," about 62,000 ballots where voting machines didn’t detect any vote for a presidential candidate.

From the sponsors' conclusions:

The Associated Press reported the findings this way:
AP: A vote-by-vote review of untallied ballots in the 2000 Florida presidential election indicates George W. Bush would have narrowly prevailed in the partial recounts sought by Al Gore, but Gore might have reversed the outcome – by the barest of margins – had he pursued and gained a complete statewide recount.

The Palm Beach Post put it more dramatically:
Palm Beach Post: Al Gore was doomed.

He couldn’t have caught George W. Bush even if his two best chances for an official recount had played out.

Similar Conclusions, Uncertain Results
An earlier study by a different media consortium reached similar conclusions. That study was conducted by a group that included the Miami Herald, USA Today and Knight Ridder newspapers. As USA Today said of the findings on May 11, 2001:
USA Today: George W. Bush would have won a hand recount of all disputed ballots in Florida’s presidential election if the most widely accepted standard for judging votes had been applied.

The newspaper said that Gore might have won narrowly if lenient standards were used that counted every mark on a ballot. "But," it said, "Gore could not have won without a hand count of overvote ballots, something that he did not request."

You guys gave it your best shot, even having your media wing call the election for Gore while the poles were still open in the heavily Republican panhandle. You lost. Get over it. Having a SCOTUS justice declare that we should first determine the legal requirements and THEN count versus counting and then arguing that the way that puts your team ahead is the proper way to count should be only common sense.

 

[buckshot24]

According to SCOTUS, not the voters.

But is it is hard to say either way how many EC votes each candidate had, because SCOTUS refused to allow it to happen.

Bush might have won, quite likely, as some studies showed, but other studies show otherwise:

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/the-florida-recount-of-2000/

As for the SCOTUS ruling, never let a fraudulent SCOTUS decision go without a highly mind-bogglingly absurd and contradictory opinion from Scalia:



http://election2000.stanford.edu/newtimeline.html

basically: we want things to appear legit in the eyes of the public, so the best way to do that is to never allow ourselves to be the position to admit that something was not legit. .....what a fucking idiot.

It isn't as if Gore obviously won and the Supreme Court just willy nilly anointed Bush as president.

What wasn't legit was fishing for votes in Gore strongholds and not in Bush strongholds. A full recount could have taken a year. See Franken vs Coleman. To say SCOTUS placed him there is disingenuous. The state certified that Bush had more votes and that's it. The biggest problem is that the system isn't precise enough for such close elections, like a ruler isn't going to measure microns. Hopefully there won't be such a close election again.