PREDICTION: Jeb Bush will be nominated and win the next presidential election.

[zinfamous]

Hey, I never really liked Gore--more than Bush, sure--and I don't recall if I voted that year.

Were--I already acknowledged that my links suggest conflicting outcomes and yes, it seems that if Gore had won the recounts he wanted, he probably still would have lost. Though it appears that a statewide recount--that he never requested, so kinda pointless--would have given him a pubic's-hair length of a win. Hardly a mandate.

In retrospect, at least--the country agrees that it was a terrible mistake to have voted for the dude appointed by SCOTUS.

 

[buckshot24]

In retrospect, at least--the country agrees that it was a terrible mistake to have voted for the dude appointed by SCOTUS.

He wasn't appointed by the Supreme Court.

 

[werepossum]

Hey, I never really liked Gore--more than Bush, sure--and I don't recall if I voted that year.

Were--I already acknowledged that my links suggest conflicting outcomes and yes, it seems that if Gore had won the recounts he wanted, he probably still would have lost. Though it appears that a statewide recount--that he never requested, so kinda pointless--would have given him a pubic's-hair length of a win. Hardly a mandate.

In retrospect, at least--the country agrees that it was a terrible mistake to have voted for the dude appointed by SCOTUS.

Problem is it would also be a terrible mistake to have voted for Gore. As always, it's Giant Douchebag or Turd Sandwich.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Problem is it would also be a terrible mistake to have voted for Gore. As always, it's Giant Douchebag or Turd Sandwich.

We would have never invaded Iraq if Gore won.

 

[buckshot24]

We would have never invaded Iraq if Gore won.

Did Gore come out against the Iraq war during the build up?

 

[ivwshane]

Did Gore come out against the Iraq war during the build up?

Of course!

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/gore/gore092302sp.html

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2002-09-23-gore_x.htm

 

[zinfamous]

Problem is it would also be a terrible mistake to have voted for Gore. As always, it's Giant Douchebag or Turd Sandwich.

Yeah I'm gonna go with a "you have to be crazy to think that" on this one.

 

[TheSlamma]

We would have never invaded Iraq if Gore won.

I know he didn't want it but would he have been pressured into it anyway?

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/s237

Can't find the congress page but 297-133-3

 

[soundforbjt]

I know he didn't want it but would he have been pressured into it anyway?

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/s237

Can't find the congress page but 297-133-3

No, because there would have not been all the Bush propaganda (yellowcake, mobile chem labs, etc) leading up to the vote.

 

[buckshot24]

No, because there would have not been all the Bush propaganda (yellowcake, mobile chem labs, etc) leading up to the vote.

Slick willie thought he had this crap too. Why wouldn't Gore?

 

[Ruptga]

Slick willie thought he had this crap too. Why wouldn't Gore?

Bush and his cabinet saw what they wanted to, they needed a rationale for removing Hussein and installing a favorable government.

 

[buckshot24]

Bush and his cabinet saw what they wanted to, they needed a rationale for removing Hussein and installing a favorable government.

You're probably right but that doesn't mean it was "Bush propaganda" when Bush wasn't the only one saying it.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Bush and his cabinet saw what they wanted to, they needed a rationale for removing Hussein and installing a favorable government.

No, they saw $$$$$$$$$$.

 

[Ruptga]

You're probably right but that doesn't mean it was "Bush propaganda" when Bush wasn't the only one saying it.

It was his administration and their political allies, pretty much everyone else at home and abroad either didn't see enough proof to commit or were pretty certain that the evidence was being overstated.

 

[Ruptga]

No, they saw $$$$$$$$$$.

It's usually expected that favorable governments result in money and prestige. Making it all about money strikes me as a pretty serious oversimplification.

 

[disappoint]

Hey, I never really liked Gore--more than Bush, sure--and I don't recall if I voted that year.

Were--I already acknowledged that my links suggest conflicting outcomes and yes, it seems that if Gore had won the recounts he wanted, he probably still would have lost. Though it appears that a statewide recount--that he never requested, so kinda pointless--would have given him a pubic's-hair length of a win. Hardly a mandate.

In retrospect, at least--the country agrees that it was a terrible mistake to have voted for the dude appointed by SCOTUS.

This country did not get what it needed in that election. It got what it deserved. A mentally unfit president because mentally unfit people were in position to make those decisions. Including voters and the SCOTUS.

 

[lopri]

Slick willie thought he had this crap too. Why wouldn't Gore?

Others have provided testimonies and circumstantial evidences, which are really the most one can do in a hypo you posited. Are you asking for someone to go back in time, change the history, record everything in 4K, change the history back and come back to the present and hand you the video of 8 years of what-would-have-been?

It seems like you were not open to persuasion to begin with. Why ask for proofs, then?

 

[buckshot24]

It was his administration and their political allies, pretty much everyone else at home and abroad either didn't see enough proof to commit or were pretty certain that the evidence was being overstated.

Oh come on, it wasn't just his "political allies" who thought Sadam was a problem who was trying to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction program.

 

[buckshot24]

Others have provided testimonies and circumstantial evidences, which are really the most one can do in a hypo you posited. Are you asking for someone to go back in time, change the history, record everything in 4K, change the history back and come back to the present and hand you the video of 8 years of what-would-have-been?

It seems like you were not open to persuasion to begin with. Why ask for proofs, then?

What are you talking about?

 

[fskimospy]

Did Gore come out against the Iraq war during the build up?

Even if he didn't, 'not coming out against' in no way equates to 'would have also invaded'. As you mentioned, Clinton had similar suspicions about his WMD programs but did not foolishly invade. Not to mention that Democrats were strongly against invading Iraq.

Sorry, you're just going to have to own the fact that had Gore won it would have been quite unlikely that we would have done it. The one good thing about seeing all these attempts at revisionist history though is that even conservatives seem to realize that the last conservative administration royally fucked things up. Not that it will stop them from voting for the next one, of course.

 

[Ruptga]

Oh come on, it wasn't just his "political allies" who thought Sadam was a problem who was trying to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction program.

Yeah huh. He was given an ultimatum by the UN, and inspectors went all over the country. They found no nuclear weapons or evidence of their active development. They found no chemical weapons except for some mustard gas that they had sealed the last time they were in the country, and they destroyed some precursors and empty warheads. At that point no rational person should have been certain that Iraq had or was developing WMD. Of course, finding nothing much but cooperative Iraqis wasn't good enough, so six months after inspections had started we got all riled up about different faulty intelligence and went to war.

Back then we also liked to insist that there was a broad consensus that we were doing the right thing, a tradition obviously still practiced. The reality is that we sparked the largest anti-war rallies ever, and in Great Britain, the only other nation to contribute a large part of the invasion forces, many members of parliament broke with their party to vote against the war, and many senior government officials resigned over it. Even over here 97% of Republicans in Congress voted for the Iraq Resolution, compared to only 43% of Democrats. You are completely wrong about this.

 

[Hugo Drax]

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/01/...new-hampshire-has-jeb-bush-in-second-with-18/

A new statewide New Hampshire poll reveals Donald Trump holding a significant lead over his Republican opponents with 35% of the vote. Jeb Bush surprisingly takes second with 18%, and John Kasich finishes third with 14%. The rest of the field included Marco Rubio at 9%, Ted Cruz at 8%, and Chris Christie getting 5%, despite a last minute endorsement from the Boston Herald. Among Democratic primary voters, Sanders holds a steady lead over Clinton of 52% to 44%.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I believe Jeb will finish 3rd from bottom with around 3% of the Iowa caucus voters.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I think it's time for at least 50% of the gop nominees to stop wasting money, especially bush.

 

[theeedude]

Bush donors are now going to be Rubio donors. Of course he will not be beholden to them. Republican SCOTUS looked at it thoroughly and found out that unlimited political contributions "do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption."