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[sandorski]

Ok: So the argument is "what we see today is less important than a vision for tomorrow."

Makes sense to me!

Seems like I didn't get at the meaning here, so again:

What do you mean by 'overstating it'; is calling genocide 'evil' overstating it - and if so, why would it matter?

If a Child answers 2+2=5, is that "Evil"? I'm saying that there are degrees of Fault to things and to me "Evil" is towards the upper end of the scale. Otherwise it loses it's meaning, it becomes acceptable behaviour when it should never be such.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

So ... evil "intent" but no ability to act on that intent isn't actual evil for example?

Perhaps I'm confused. 😵🙂

It's the 'no harm, no foul' theory.

 

[PowerEngineer]

FWIW, I think that way too many people are way too certain about the correctness of their personal beliefs, which leads them to have IMHO unwarranted confidence in their qualifications to cast righteous judgments on others. Perhaps the world would be a better place if everyone took a few minutes each week to remind themselves of the many times they discovered they were embarrassing wrong.

 

[nakedfrog]

FWIW, I think that way too many people are way too certain about the correctness of their personal beliefs, which leads them to have IMHO unwarranted confidence in their qualifications to cast righteous judgments on others. Perhaps the world would be a better place if everyone took a few minutes each week to remind themselves of the many times they discovered they were embarrassing wrong.

The human psyche makes it a touch more complicated than that.
See: Dunning-Kruger effect, backfire effect, etc.

 

[pmv]

FWIW, I think that way too many people are way too certain about the correctness of their personal beliefs, which leads them to have IMHO unwarranted confidence in their qualifications to cast righteous judgments on others. Perhaps the world would be a better place if everyone took a few minutes each week to remind themselves of the many times they discovered they were embarrassing wrong.

Well, considering how many people have existed on earth since the dawn of humanity, and how few of them would have seen the world exactly the way I do (it's probably only me) it does seem statistically-unlikely that all of them were wrong and I alone have it exactly right.

Of course, by its own logic, that conclusion is itself probably wrong!

 

[Mai72]

FWIW, I think that way too many people are way too certain about the correctness of their personal beliefs, which leads them to have IMHO unwarranted confidence in their qualifications to cast righteous judgments on others. Perhaps the world would be a better place if everyone took a few minutes each week to remind themselves of the many times they discovered they were embarrassing wrong.

Isn't that called ego? People don't want to be challenged because if they are challenged then they would have to defend that beliefs with critical thought.

And, we can't have that.

 

[mopardude87]

FWIW, I think that way too many people are way too certain about the correctness of their personal beliefs, which leads them to have IMHO unwarranted confidence in their qualifications to cast righteous judgments on others. Perhaps the world would be a better place if everyone took a few minutes each week to remind themselves of the many times they discovered they were embarrassing wrong.

I can't judge others on their beliefs, honestly against my own beliefs as that would be disrespectful given i never walked in their shoes to experience what lead them to theirs in the first place.

People need to walk in others shoes, before concluding their belief system is nothing but bullshit. Honestly spirituality or anything is on a person by person basis. It's not meant for everyone. That simple.

 

[kage69]

There's more SJWs these days, and they are winning. Society is becoming more and more full of snow flakes that get offended at every little thing. On top of that, what's wrong is now seen as right, and what's right is now seen as wrong. The world is upside down.

Yeah, remember when those uptight liberals were so offended at having to wear masks and stay home they tried to blockade hospitals? They're even into things like Congressional oversight, checks and balances. Pretty sad stuff really. Thank goodness we have a real mature people in office, the kind that put country before party. If we didn't have patriots and professionals running the show, why, it'd be chaos. Tens of thousands of Americans needlessly dead, 47 million on unemployment, real through the looking glass stuff.

At least we have a level headed, rational leader who is as even tempered and knowledgeable as he is fit for office. Not some idiot obsessed with pronouns.

This hasn't been business as usual, at least in the States. SJWs aren't the problem. Being offended at your republic being dismantled is completely valid, and the reversal of right and wrong is in no way a BothSides affair. Put the blame where it belongs - people on the right putting party before country.

 

[PowerEngineer]

The human psyche makes it a touch more complicated than that.
See: Dunning-Kruger effect, backfire effect, etc.

Well, yes I am sure that it is more complicated. I really wasn't aiming to completely describe the human psyche in just a sentence or two, and human psychology certainly isn't my field. 😉

I only meant to shed some light on what I see as one factor contributing to the rapid, rabid attacks that some people launch whenever a cherished belief is challenged. In my admittedly limited experience, people who are virtually certain that their beliefs are correct are more into immediate judgment than civilized discourse. YMMV.

 

[nakedfrog]

Well, yes I am sure that it is more complicated. I really wasn't aiming to completely describe the human psyche in just a sentence or two, and human psychology certainly isn't my field. 😉

I only meant to shed some light on what I see as one factor contributing to the rapid, rabid attacks that some people launch whenever a cherished belief is challenged. In my admittedly limited experience, people who are virtually certain that their beliefs are correct are more into immediate judgment than civilized discourse. YMMV.

Oh, I wasn't disputing your central point, which I agree with (the world being a better place if we all reflect on times we were *gasp* wrong), just pointing out that I'm not sure that's a place we can get to collectively because our huge brains are weird 🙁

 

[mopardude87]

Mean while in Salem, Mass people are trying so hard to remove this statue from the Satanic Temple there. Better odds of moving a mountain cause you know freedom of religion. Yeah the founder here knew that erecting this bad boy. You could imagine who is the most triggered with this shit LOL.