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Captante

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there is no inherent evil in the universe. Evil is a human concept. Physics, chemistry and biology knows no evil. The universe exists along with everything else. We are all star stuff. And back to star stuff everything must eventually go.


Long as you preface it with "in my opinion" I take no issue with this post. ;)

To be clear my comments along these same lines are all "IMO".
 
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mopardude87

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I believe everyone has a purpose in this universe, i live with a atheist who believes in ghosts and has seen them yet she is followed by 444 non stop. A good read for those who wanna dive into my world a bit, the smart ones who honestly figure out the message being sent assuming they are seeing angelic repeating numbers like i have honestly will be blessed with knowledge you will never aquire otherwise. This i promise. Take it or leave it, but i seen to much to dismiss this shit.

Warning, its a long read but honestly a good account of another persons experience. Honestly with truth always comes hard work, there is a reason why its called faith. If everyone had it, this world would not be as fucked up. There would be a universal harmony, but nope that is not what we have. Cause different people believe in different shit. That is fine, that is free will.

My journey btw started with 444,lately i see 13 non stop.

 

BudAshes

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I'm not a big fan of people in general.
I believe everyone has a purpose in this universe, i live with a atheist who believes in ghosts and has seen them yet she is followed by 444 non stop. A good read for those who wanna dive into my world a bit, the smart ones who honestly figure out the message being sent assuming they are seeing angelic repeating numbers like i have honestly will be blessed with knowledge you will never aquire otherwise. This i promise. Take it or leave it, but i seen to much to dismiss this shit.

Warning, its a long read but honestly a good account of another persons experience. Honestly with truth always comes hard work, there is a reason why its called faith. If everyone had it, this world would not be as fucked up. There would be a universal harmony, but nope that is not what we have. Cause different people believe in different shit. That is fine, that is free will.

My journey btw started with 444,lately i see 13 non stop.


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mopardude87

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I'm not a big fan of people in general.

Same, especially in this day and age. I still try and share kindness, the world lacks it at this point. People in this forum should realize we have become almost like family, we are all in quarantine right now sitting here just chatting away in the same place. Its become routine for many of us. I think over time many people will pick up on virtues, gain empathy and many other good qualities as we continue this quarantine. Maybe people will better themselves. Of course i like to have a happy outlook on things.

I could be completely wrong and most people continue their ways, but when was the last time any of us in our life times dealt with something so dramatic?


 

Captante

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I could be completely wrong and most people continue their ways, but when was the last time any of us in our life times dealt with something so dramatic?




Per the Wiki link you would have to go back to the Hong Kong flu in 1968 to find a directly comparable event. (I had this as a little kid ... yeah I'm old) 9-11 did have a similar chilling effect on the economy but the rebound was much quicker then Covid is looking to be.

For an overall disruption of American society however I think you'll need to look back all the way to WWII.
 
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sandorski

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Proof of this? (i'll wait) ;)

How exactly do you prove that beings you can't perceive exist or what if any influence they might have? (We could keep going round and round forever here)

Its actually okay to agree to disagree lol.... just sayin.

Disagree on what? Prove to me that the Celestial Teapot doesn't exist. What can be Demonstrated is the only thing that has value in addressing Issues.
 

mopardude87

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Per the Wiki link you would have to go back to the Hong Kong flu in 1968 to find a directly comparable event. (I had this as a little kid ... yeah I'm old) 9-11 did have a similar chilling effect on the economy but the rebound was much quicker then Covid is looking to be.

For an overall disruption of American society however I think you'll need to look back all the way to WWII.

You caught that shit from 1968? I wanna make sure i understood that correctly,wow.
 

Captante

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Disagree on what? Prove to me that the Celestial Teapot doesn't exist. What can be Demonstrated is the only thing that has value in addressing Issues.


I suppose I actually have to spell it out? :rolleyes:

Prove to me that the "Celestial Teapot" does or doesn't exist your choice ... I'm flexible I'll accept either one. :p

I already told you directly that I can't prove what I'm saying ... you have yet to provide one single bit of evidence to the contrary.

*(I've also pointed out the futility of this topic several times now. I used it mostly up by the age of 16)
 

Captante

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You caught that shit from 1968? I wanna make sure i understood that correctly,wow.


Yep ... was 4-5 years old not sure exactly but had just started kindergarten.

Can recall I couldn't even lift my head off the pillow I was so sick... missed 3 weeks of school.
 
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mopardude87

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Yep ... was 4-5 years old not sure exactly but had just started kindergarten.

Can recall I couldn't even lift my head off the pillow I was so sick... missed 3 weeks of school.

Glad you're here to tell us about it :) Wow sorry about that man, worst sickness i got was prob bronchitis right before my 18th birthday. I had to deal with that for weeks.
 

Captante

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Glad you're here to tell us about it :) Wow sorry about that man, worst sickness i got was prob bronchitis right before my 18th birthday. I had to deal with that for weeks.


Thanks! I'm fairly pleased about that myself! :cool:

Not sure that's the sickest I've ever been though ...the flu my whole office caught (and that killed a co-worker) a few tears back was extremely serious. I had the phone in my hand to call 911 several times when coughing made it hard to breathe!
 
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mopardude87

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Thanks! I'm fairly pleased about that myself! :cool:

Not sure that's the sickest I've ever been though ...the flu my whole office caught (and that killed a co-worker) a few tears back was extremely serious. I had the phone in my hand to call 911 several times when coughing made it hard to breathe!

This is where the word panic comes from, i will copy and paste a bit from wiki. I don't exactly follow mythology, but there is some interesting stuff that this world still uses from it, like the days of the week are still rooted in it. Well that and modern medicine as we know it, even if its root are of a darker nature.

The word derives from antiquity and is a tribute to the ancient god Pan. One of the many gods in the mythology of ancient Greece, Pan was the god of shepherds and of woods and pastures. The Greeks believed that he often wandered peacefully through the woods, playing a pipe, but when accidentally awakened from his noontime nap he could give a great shout that would cause flocks to stampede. From this aspect of Pan's nature Greek authors derived the word panikos, “sudden fear,” the ultimate source of the English word: "panic".[1] The Greek term indicates the feeling of total fear that is also sudden and often attributed to the presence of a god.[2]


Pharmakeia φαρμακεια is the Greek word for pharmacy, which is the practice and making of medication and vitamins. It also refers to the making of spell-giving potions, or alchemical potions (or elixirs) believed to have transforming powers, such as the power to extend life, boost energy, or enhance the mind. It also refers to any substance used to poison someone, to prevent or treat disease (or, for that matter, to cause it), or to gain control of someone's behavior.

 
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sandorski

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I suppose I actually have to spell it out? :rolleyes:

Prove to me that the "Celestial Teapot" does or doesn't exist your choice ... I'm flexible I'll accept either one. :p

I already told you directly that I can't prove what I'm saying ... you have yet to provide one single bit of evidence to the contrary.

*(I've also pointed out the futility of this topic several times now. I used it mostly up by the age of 16)

It is only futile because it is rhetorically designed to be.
 

Dr. Zaus

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Also how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? ;)
The area of the head of the pin divided by its plank area.

More seriously, the implication that something like an individual's legal personhood is simply a fun academic question for you, and a topic about which you could change your mind? Plenty offensive without the need for further exploration.
Right - yet for some reason a gender non-conforming person is “dehumanized” if I ask why we need invented pronouns. And when I explain why I’m asking: “I just read a Harvard professor’s chapter about how awefull invented pronouns are in writing, and a strong defense regarding how ‘they’ has a long English tradition for the singular and is a better choice for writing. And in his research invented pronouns make the gender non-conforming person seem less human to observers.” I’m now dehumanizing the gender non-conforming person?!


The behavior is literally the opposite of the stated goal.

I think you were 100% on the shibboleth: its from the bible - because foreigners have a lisp, When they were asked to say the word they would say it wrong - so they would just hit the person with rocks until they’re dead. Seems like you used exactly the right term.

it seems there are a lot of “love” groups online. And the one thing most well-established in the literature regarding hate groups is they all see themselves NOT as a hate groups - but as groups who love their members and seek only to defend them against all those who hate them.
there is no inherent evil in the universe. Evil is a human concept. Physics, chemistry and biology knows no evil. The universe exists along with everything else. We are all star stuff. And back to star stuff everything must eventually go.
but there is evil inherent in human social constructs - as thats what the core meaning of the idea takes aim at.
 
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sandorski

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The area of the head of depend divided by its plank area.


Right - yet for some reason a gender non-conforming person is “dehumanized” if I ask why we need invented pronouns. And when I explain why I’m asking: “I just read a Harvard professors chapter about how awe full they are in writing, and a strong defense regarding how ‘they’ had a long English tradition and is a better choice for writing. And in his research invented pronouns make the gender non-conforming person seem less human to observers.” I’m now dehumanizing the gender non-conforming person?!


The behavior is literally the opposite of the stated goal.

I think you were 100% on the shibboleth: its from the bible - because foreigners have a lisp, When they were asked to say the word they would say it wrong - so they would just hit the person with rocks until they’re dead. Seems like you used exactly the right term.

it seems there are a lot of “love” groups online. And the one thing most well-established in the literature regarding hate groups is they all see themselves NOT as a hate groups - but as groups who love their members and seek only to defend them against all those who hate them.

but there is evil inherent in human social constructs - as thats what the core meaning of the idea takes aim at.

There are Flaws, but "Evil", IMO, is overstating it.
 

mopardude87

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Oh man, all the links i posted in here just got posted on my Facebook. About to piss some christians off, oh boy they hate the truth. I should microwave some popcorn while the fireworks start!
 

nakedfrog

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The area of the head of the pin divided by its plank area.


Right - yet for some reason a gender non-conforming person is “dehumanized” if I ask why we need invented pronouns. And when I explain why I’m asking: “I just read a Harvard professor’s chapter about how awefull invented pronouns are in writing, and a strong defense regarding how ‘they’ has a long English tradition for the singular and is a better choice for writing. And in his research invented pronouns make the gender non-conforming person seem less human to observers.” I’m now dehumanizing the gender non-conforming person?!
Oh my, I have no idea why someone would call you pretentious. :rolleyes:
Maybe instead of asking "why" you could ask them for their perspective, or failing that, just be a nice fucking person and use their preferred pronouns.
 

Dr. Zaus

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There are Flaws, but "Evil", IMO, is overstating it.
I think the best form of your argument is something like this:

"The term evil has many meanings attached to it. The majority of them imply a world view that disassociates the individual using the word 'evil' from the thing being done in such a away as perpetuates the thing being done. To use evil is to inherently draw on this disassociation, and in doing so, paradoxically - or perhaps by design, make the situation worse."



Oh my, I have no idea why someone would call you pretentious. :rolleyes:
Maybe instead of asking "why" you could ask them for their perspective, or failing that, just be a nice fucking person and use their preferred pronouns.
Of course I use the person's pronoun!

There's a difference between everyday behavior and talking about what's best for the cause.

When I talk about things at the margins of my thinking, it comes off as affected/ostentatious because I haven't figured out how to share what I'm thinking in a clear way: usually because i'm still working it out!

It takes talking with another person to know how to work out a point of view in a way that can be heard.

The problem I'm facing in developing my ideas is that instead of talking it through - I'm shut down just because I want to talk about ideas.

See for example how you assumed I wouldn't use the preferred pronoun of a person because I said invented pronouns are counter productive.
 
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sandorski

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I think the best form of your argument is something like this:

"The term evil has many meanings attached to it. The majority of them imply a world view that disassociates the individual using the word 'evil' from the thing being done in such a away as perpetuates the thing being done. To use evil is to inherently draw on this disassociation, and in doing so, paradoxically - or perhaps by design, make the situation worse."




Of course I use the person's pronoun!

There's a difference between everyday behavior and talking about what's best for the cause.

When I talk about things at the margins of my thinking, it comes off as affected/ostentatious because I haven't figured out how to share what I'm thinking in a clear way: usually because i'm still working it out!

It takes talking with another person to know how to work out a point of view in a way that can be heard.

The problem I'm facing in developing my ideas is that instead of talking it through - I'm shut down just because I want to talk about ideas.

See how you assumed I wouldn't use the preferred pronoun of a person because I said invented pronouns are counter productive.

Nah, I'll stick with what I wrote. At least it is legible.
 
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nakedfrog

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Of course I use the person's pronoun!

There's a difference between everyday behavior and talking about what's best for the cause.

When I talk about things at the margins of my thinking, it comes off as affected/ostentatious because I haven't figured out how to share what I'm thinking in a clear way: usually because i'm still working it out!

It takes talking with another person to know how to work out a point of view in a way that can be heard.

The problem I'm facing in developing my ideas is that instead of talking it through - I'm shut down just because I want to talk about ideas.

See for example how you assumed I wouldn't use the preferred pronoun of a person because I said invented pronouns are counter productive.
I disagree, all words are invented, and spread through use until they become common and accepted. They may currently come off as "less human" during initial adoption, but that will fade with time.
 
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Dr. Zaus

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I disagree, all words are invented, and spread through use until they become common and accepted. They may currently come off as "less human" during initial adoption, but that will fade with time.
Ok: So the argument is "what we see today is less important than a vision for tomorrow."

Makes sense to me!
There are Flaws, but "Evil", IMO, is overstating it.
Seems like I didn't get at the meaning here, so again:

What do you mean by 'overstating it'; is calling genocide 'evil' overstating it - and if so, why would it matter?