Powerboat owners...

[slag]

Not really. A sail boat always has right of way under sail. Even an oil tanker has to yield.

True, but when it comes down to it, are you going to stand your ground if you are in the sailboat, or get the fuck out of the way so you don't become fish food when the tanker sounds his horn...

 

[alkemyst]

True, but when it comes down to it, are you going to stand your ground if you are in the sailboat, or get the fuck out of the way so you don't become fish food when the tanker sounds his horn...

Incorrect, a sailboat must yield to 'large vessels' which is a gray area. Also a sail boat must yield if attempting to overtake a power boat.

Also if you are in a sail boat that runs around $15k or less or worse a rental, like I said 9 times out of 10 you are going to be at fault.

I'd love to hear someone cry about how laws are enforced on the water when their boat gets raided for something petty and they think they can sue the government.

 

[guyver01]

I have a dad too.

but does he acknowledge you? i doubt it...
seems that's why you're always going to gay strip clubs.. looking for male affection that your dad didn't give you.

 

[slag]

Incorrect, a sailboat must yield to 'large vessels' which is a gray area. Also a sail boat must yield if attempting to overtake a power boat.

Also if you are in a sail boat that runs around $15k or less or worse a rental, like I said 9 times out of 10 you are going to be at fault.

I'd love to hear someone cry about how laws are enforced on the water when their boat gets raided for something petty and they think they can sue the government.

Who said anything about a sailboat overtaking a powerboat? Oh, you did.. no one else did though.

Reference 32-1119 and 115-30-7​

Sailboats and manually powered craft
usually have the right of way over motorboats.
Motorboats should stay clear of
sailboats and manually-powered craft
and should not create a wake that may
cause them trouble. Sailboats and manually-
powered craft must yield the right of
way when overtaking motorboats or​

when the motorboat is at anchor.

I stand by my statement, that if a large boat/tanker is bearing down on you, even if you are in the right, you better move. Hard to argue fault when you are dead.

Now, many sailboats have small kicker motors to get them out of the harbor/marina area. While they are under power from the engine, they are considered motorboats, whether their sail is up or not, and should be treated as such.

 

[guyver01]

Incorrect, a sailboat must yield to 'large vessels' which is a gray area. Also a sail boat must yield if attempting to overtake a power boat.

Ships under sail power have the right of way, precisely because they can not adjust course easily or quickly.

A sailboat does have the ROW over a powerboat unless the sailboat is overtaking the powerboat. A sailboat must also keep out of the way of large vessels in narrow channels, and ferryboats.

 

[alkemyst]

Ships under sail power have the right of way, precisely because they can not adjust course easily or quickly.

A sailboat does have the ROW over a powerboat unless the sailboat is overtaking the powerboat. A sailboat must also keep out of the way of large vessels in narrow channels, and ferryboats.

You just basically recited my quote.

What you are proposing though is you'd have right of way if you decided to go play in traffic, versus crossing at a crosswalk when signaled to do so.

I don't have a boat currently, but was on the water almost every weekend/holiday for a little over 5 years and still often, just on other's boats.

The boats by the hour rental crowd are the WalMart shoppers of the ocean...

 

[skyking]

Here is a great example of what happens when you don't maneuver to avoid a big ship.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5Nrx3Mdzls

He *almost" got away with little damage, but the sail held, and the mast not so much.

 

[rasczak]

jeez.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Where is the cut off for what makes a larger boat?

I am clearly wrong in a arena of those that play textbook examples.

Like I said 9 times out of 10 the larger boat is right. Likewise he who owns the boat.


Coast guard doesn't care for renters.

You are wrong on pretty much all counts.


Vessel under sail has right of way.


Coast guard generally doesn't give a crap if the person is a renter or not unless there are extenuating circumstances.

 

[guyver01]

26 foot dusky open fisherman dual merc 200s, ain't talking rental or a fucking dinghy. Like I said though you can pretend all you want while calling yourself captain abroad the USS Goatherder that you call tool around in the path of real boats.

BULL!!

I don't have a boat currently, but was on the water almost every weekend/holiday for a little over 5 years and still often, just on other's boats.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Still lol'ing at alky's vast sea of knowledge.

 

[alkemyst]

You are wrong on pretty much all counts.


Vessel under sail has right of way.


Coast guard generally doesn't give a crap if the person is a renter or not unless there are extenuating circumstances.

Some people mistakenly think that a sailboat always has the right-of-way over powerboats. A sailboat does have the ROW over a powerboat unless the sailboat is overtaking the powerboat. A sailboat must also keep out of the way of large vessels in narrow channels, and ferryboats. This is just common sense since these large vessels have difficulty stopping and maneuvering.

In the OP there are two gray areas, narrow channel and large vessel.

When two boats are at risk of colliding, the boat that has the other on its starboard must keep out of the way.

Again we are talking a boat renter too...you may think it's no different but it is sadly.

 

[ichy]

Let's stop feeding the troll please.

There are idiots on all kinds of boats, but at least with sailboats you have to have some minimal amount of knowledge or you won't go anywhere. With powerboats any buffoon can start driving them as if they were a car (until they realize they have no brakes.)

 

[rasczak]

I like how he's narrowed down the point to one little thing that does not concern the OP's situation. :awe:

 

[PricklyPete]

Are they all a bunch of clueless dumbfucks?

I rented a 22' Capri down in San Diego yesterday and spent the day sailing in the bay. We were heading back to the marina sailing upwind on a starboard tack, there was another sailboat coming downwind on a port tack and this fuckwit in a powerboat on a collision course with me. I had to come up into the wind to avoid this clueless shithead who ended up splitting the two sailboats with only about two boat lengths to spare. He didn't alter course at all.

Powerboat owners are the SUV owners of the maritime world. I figured you would know this Jules.

 

[natto fire]

Ah the old Alky one-up game.

Not sure why the sane try to argue with him though, in this particular argument it will escalate until this one of alky's many vessels:

And I'm sure he knows the entire eastern seaboard like the back of his hand...

 

[alkemyst]

BULL!!

Not bull, I was a boat owner up until recently. I have some pictures I could upload, but what point is it when I can provide my receipts for the same day of a strip club I was at in another thread and you still don't believe how simple life is.

My dad paid for it though, I was just on title and able to use it.

 

[alkemyst]

Let's stop feeding the troll please.

There are idiots on all kinds of boats, but at least with sailboats you have to have some minimal amount of knowledge or you won't go anywhere. With powerboats any buffoon can start driving them as if they were a car (until they realize they have no brakes.)

You'd have to be pretty retarded not to be able to get a sailboat rental sailing.

Also sailboats also don't just stop on a dime either.

 

[JulesMaximus]

You just basically recited my quote.

What you are proposing though is you'd have right of way if you decided to go play in traffic, versus crossing at a crosswalk when signaled to do so.

I don't have a boat currently, but was on the water almost every weekend/holiday for a little over 5 years and still often, just on other's boats.

The boats by the hour rental crowd are the WalMart shoppers of the ocean...

You're an idiot. My Mom lived on a 43' sailboat for 15 years, sailed from Florida up to New York, sailed it back down to Florida, cruised around in the caribbean and gulf and all the way down to Brazil and back. She rents boats all the time when she comes out to visit. This club has over 800 members who rent their boats throughout the year. They require sailors to take a keel boat class and become certified if they feel they are not experienced enough to operate their boats.

Renting a sailboat makes a lot of financial sense over boat ownership actually. It costs me $105 to rent a 22' sailboat for an entire day vs owning a boat which would cost tens of thousands of dollars plus slip fees, plus maintenance. Unless you are sailing every single weekend, it is much much cheaper to rent.

Despite your ramblings, many people who rent sailboats actually do know more about boating than many people who own boats. Oh, and despite having a motor on this boat I never used it once.

 

[guyver01]

I was a boat owner up until recently.

My dad paid for it though, I was just on title and able to use it.

then you weren't the owner.

Your dad was.


stop making up shit.

 

[alkemyst]

So in reality then you know nothing about dads.

Your argument has been made moot.

 

[JulesMaximus]

In the OP there are two gray areas, narrow channel and large vessel.

No, there is no gray area. San Diego bay is not a narrow channel, we were in the part of the bay where it is about a mile and a half wide, and a 30' powerboat is not a large vessel with limited maneuverability. As was stated numerous times in this thread, limited maneuverability means ships...like aircraft carriers, cruise ships, tankers, ferry boats, nuclear submarines, etc.

Ultimately, it is up to the person piloting his/her vessel to avoid a collision with another vessel, which I did and the power boat owner did not try to do. He was in the wrong. Not me.

 

[alkemyst]

You're an idiot. My Mom lived on a 43' sailboat for 15 years, sailed from Florida up to New York, sailed it back down to Florida, cruised around in the caribbean and gulf and all the way down to Brazil and back. She rents boats all the time when she comes out to visit. This club has over 800 members who rent their boats throughout the year. They require sailors to take a keel boat class and become certified if they feel they are not experienced enough to operate their boats.

Renting a sailboat makes a lot of financial sense over boat ownership actually. It costs me $105 to rent a 22' sailboat for an entire day vs owning a boat which would cost tens of thousands of dollars plus slip fees, plus maintenance. Unless you are sailing every single weekend, it is much much cheaper to rent.

Despite your ramblings, many people who rent sailboats actually do know more about boating than many people who own boats. Oh, and despite having a motor on this boat I never used it once.

What was your buy in as part of a 'club'?

 

[guyver01]

Your argument has been made moot.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

I am going to tell you going up against a boat OWNER is going to be interesting for you.

A 30 footer is a bit more than a typical 'pleasure' boat...you paying by the hour is going to set a pretty interesting 'case'.

Like I said though it's not always fair.

You are dead wrong....again. He is posting the official rules, they trump any ideas you have of what is "right"