Where was all the Arabs outrage when Saddam Hussein tortured and killed his people. I guess it's ok for Arabs to kill, torture, humiliate each other. Just like it's ok for black people to call other blacks "awesome dude" but when white people do it, it's an "outrage".
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eh, when a large part of their press and government media/religious institutions/propaganda/school texbooks spend their time fomenting such hatred and condoning such violence...one can't expect much from them.
heres a good book on it.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312326998/qid=1084749193/sr=8-1/">The Trouble with Islam : A Muslim's Call for Reform in Her Faith
by Irshad Manji (Author) </a>
Laura Ingraham
Where are the moderate Muslims?
http://www.NewsAndOpinion.com | For much of the last century, white Southerners were routinely (and rightly) taken to task for not speaking out against the violent actions of racists. For a time at least, the Klan seemed to be able to lynch and beat black men with impunity.
White Southern silence meant tacit approval to many. The South eventually left its racist past behind, but only when its politicians and community leaders spoke out aggressively against the hateful acts of white supremacists. Silence was no longer an option for the majority, for it became clear that the longer violence against blacks continued, the more likely it was that the rest of the country would think all white Southerners were KKK supporters.
Muslims worldwide face the same problem. In the last few weeks, Muslim terrorists killed nearly 200 in Bali, tried to kill more in Kuwait. But where were all the statements of condemnation from the Muslim "moderate" leadership? I heard not one. This, despite President Bush's oft-repeated reminder to the world that this is not a war against Islam and his visit to an Islamic Center just days after September 11th.
In the aftermath of the attacks on America, Muslims in the U.S. complained that they were being unfairly tarred by the acts of a few extremists. "Islam is a religion of peace," President Bush himself said the week after the attacks on America. Yet just as white Southerners couldn't shake their racist past so long as the Klan was still kicking, Muslims will find it difficult to shake its link to terrorism if al Qaeda continues to strike and Muslim leaders continue to say or do little.
More people are beginning to ask why the burden should be on America to prove to the world that we are a tolerant nation. The more appropriate formulation: after September 11th, the burden is on Muslims worldwide to demonstrate their intolerance for the terrorists.
heres a good book on it.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312326998/qid=1084749193/sr=8-1/">The Trouble with Islam : A Muslim's Call for Reform in Her Faith
by Irshad Manji (Author) </a>
Laura Ingraham
Where are the moderate Muslims?
http://www.NewsAndOpinion.com | For much of the last century, white Southerners were routinely (and rightly) taken to task for not speaking out against the violent actions of racists. For a time at least, the Klan seemed to be able to lynch and beat black men with impunity.
White Southern silence meant tacit approval to many. The South eventually left its racist past behind, but only when its politicians and community leaders spoke out aggressively against the hateful acts of white supremacists. Silence was no longer an option for the majority, for it became clear that the longer violence against blacks continued, the more likely it was that the rest of the country would think all white Southerners were KKK supporters.
Muslims worldwide face the same problem. In the last few weeks, Muslim terrorists killed nearly 200 in Bali, tried to kill more in Kuwait. But where were all the statements of condemnation from the Muslim "moderate" leadership? I heard not one. This, despite President Bush's oft-repeated reminder to the world that this is not a war against Islam and his visit to an Islamic Center just days after September 11th.
In the aftermath of the attacks on America, Muslims in the U.S. complained that they were being unfairly tarred by the acts of a few extremists. "Islam is a religion of peace," President Bush himself said the week after the attacks on America. Yet just as white Southerners couldn't shake their racist past so long as the Klan was still kicking, Muslims will find it difficult to shake its link to terrorism if al Qaeda continues to strike and Muslim leaders continue to say or do little.
More people are beginning to ask why the burden should be on America to prove to the world that we are a tolerant nation. The more appropriate formulation: after September 11th, the burden is on Muslims worldwide to demonstrate their intolerance for the terrorists.
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just a few more good books i've read.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1893554589/">Islam Unveiled: Disturbing Questions About the World's Fastest Growing Faith
by Robert Spencer, David Pryce-Jones (Foreword) </a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0840730152/">Islam Revealed: A Christian Arab's View of Islam
by Anis A. Shorrosh </a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0195154355/qid=1084749482/sr=8-1/">Unholy War: Terror in the Name of Islam
by John L. Esposito </a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0465019102/qid=1084749577/sr=1-1/">Just War Against Terror: The Burden of American Power In a Violent World
by Jean Bethke Elshtain </a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1893554589/">Islam Unveiled: Disturbing Questions About the World's Fastest Growing Faith
by Robert Spencer, David Pryce-Jones (Foreword) </a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0840730152/">Islam Revealed: A Christian Arab's View of Islam
by Anis A. Shorrosh </a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0195154355/qid=1084749482/sr=8-1/">Unholy War: Terror in the Name of Islam
by John L. Esposito </a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0465019102/qid=1084749577/sr=1-1/">Just War Against Terror: The Burden of American Power In a Violent World
by Jean Bethke Elshtain </a>
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well the koran is easier to interpret literally. jesus wrote nothing down. the bible is 2nd hand accounts and is seen as such. muhammed supposedly wrote the word of god. quite literal and unchanged, he was a direct conduit. its much harder to really interpret the literal word of god.
KJV, LK 22:36-38: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough
Luke 12:51-53 -- Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matt 10:33-34 -- But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Luke 14:26 -- If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
Jesus wasn't the hippie you think he was.
Actually islam is the largest religous population, with a following of about 2.5 billion people. The next is the Roman Catholic faith. So, shut up, because you know nothing.
Oh I didn't realize you wanted me to go get Jesus and have him tell you. By your logic nothing in the New testament can be regaurded as reliable because it isn't Jesus saying it.
Yeah NK is in China's sphere of influence, remember the last time USA went walking around in there?
Actually, I've always read that Christianity is the largest population, even the Catholic sect is larger than all of Islam. But, Islam is the fastest-growing religion.
i hate when they do that , then they wonder why ppl call them apes ? go to any high school in miami and any area with a large black population you'll see the evidence that feeds the stereotipical views. i'm not racist , just being factual. not all of them are like that though , most of them are really nice ppl. its just the ones that want to live the wannabe thug life
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lol no
Damn, I guess no horse meat for me then. Get the joke? If not, then nevermind.
im back...
For you info, Islam has tremendous respect for all religions. Especially those of that were bought by the previous propghets. Jewism, Christianity, Abrehim, Jesus..THey are all our prophets also. Mohemmed is the last of prophets. Islam is the complete religion. Valid until apocalypse.
Now there are 5-6 major sects of Islam. The main two are sunni and shiite. In Saudi Arablia, a newer Islamic system has been in place. They say that "god and Quran" is the only thing they should revere. The prophets were normal men. Osama bin Laden and terrorists are often from this sect. very wrongly interpretting "jihad"
What is Jihad? It is the fight in the way of God. Most important of all Jihads is self Jihad. To controls oneseslf and observe patience. Then the other kind of Jihad, or religios war also has its rules. They are much strickter than any Laws of war. For example. When figthing you are not allowed to attack first. Those people who donot attack you are to be left alone. Even in The Prophet's conquest of Mecca, he had given people an option not to fight. They were safe. Those few people who did kill innocent people were punnished.
Islamic laws might be strict but they are know to work well even in this modern day. Can you imagine that in the USA, you can leave your shop unattended for 3 hours while you are off to pray? In the Saudi, If you are caught stealing, your hand is chopped of there and then. But again, its only the fingers.
Islamice law, is very contrary to the beliefs of American understandings. For example; polygamy . If you look deeper and into the reasons why this is so, you will find that the reasons are many. When a man wants to marry, he must consult hes wife before he can marry again.
Islam is a very complicatd religion. You will not understand it unless yoou are devoted to it. Start by reading a book will definately help you in getting some undstanding of the religion. Some people who donot understand the religion well, misinterpret it and revert to violence.
If you some people say that ISLAM teaches violence, I cannot make sense of it at all. "Islam" itself means PEACE. So a religion meaning peace can surely not promote violence?
and tommy..I dint get the joke?? :huh;?
For you info, Islam has tremendous respect for all religions. Especially those of that were bought by the previous propghets. Jewism, Christianity, Abrehim, Jesus..THey are all our prophets also. Mohemmed is the last of prophets. Islam is the complete religion. Valid until apocalypse.
Now there are 5-6 major sects of Islam. The main two are sunni and shiite. In Saudi Arablia, a newer Islamic system has been in place. They say that "god and Quran" is the only thing they should revere. The prophets were normal men. Osama bin Laden and terrorists are often from this sect. very wrongly interpretting "jihad"
What is Jihad? It is the fight in the way of God. Most important of all Jihads is self Jihad. To controls oneseslf and observe patience. Then the other kind of Jihad, or religios war also has its rules. They are much strickter than any Laws of war. For example. When figthing you are not allowed to attack first. Those people who donot attack you are to be left alone. Even in The Prophet's conquest of Mecca, he had given people an option not to fight. They were safe. Those few people who did kill innocent people were punnished.
Islamic laws might be strict but they are know to work well even in this modern day. Can you imagine that in the USA, you can leave your shop unattended for 3 hours while you are off to pray? In the Saudi, If you are caught stealing, your hand is chopped of there and then. But again, its only the fingers.
Islamice law, is very contrary to the beliefs of American understandings. For example; polygamy . If you look deeper and into the reasons why this is so, you will find that the reasons are many. When a man wants to marry, he must consult hes wife before he can marry again.
Islam is a very complicatd religion. You will not understand it unless yoou are devoted to it. Start by reading a book will definately help you in getting some undstanding of the religion. Some people who donot understand the religion well, misinterpret it and revert to violence.
If you some people say that ISLAM teaches violence, I cannot make sense of it at all. "Islam" itself means PEACE. So a religion meaning peace can surely not promote violence?
and tommy..I dint get the joke?? :huh;?
Atleast it was under IRAQI control then. See the problems;
1. Saddam hussin was too feared. Nothing could be ssaid against it.
2. US are invaders
3. They thing they are "higher"
4. The promised "liberation"
5. IRAQI basi needs arent met
6. Its an internal matter of a coutry and how it governs.
The UN? If what saddam was doing was wrong, the UN mustve done something. Not very good of the USA to ignore the UN completely and then not be blamed for all its actions. If it was the UN, I wouldve accepted the consequences as mistakes. But after how the USA gave a blind eye to what the UN had to say....well it was infurirating.
I see, so invade Iraq because its easy to occupy that nation, even though they DONT have WMD, but its suicide to actually go into a country which DOES have WMD.
You're quite stupid, arent you?
I'm sorry, you're wrong. Islam does not advocate violence against non-believers. In fact, it gaurantees rights to those of other religions in an Islamic state. They are punishments ascribed to those who act against the Islamic law, ranging from monetary punishments to capital punishments. Other nations have laws made by man. An Islamic state has laws given by God.
The statement 'most of the believers are in favor of the terrorist actions' is so ridiculous, it is as if saying most Americans support the troops, and therefore they support the actions in Abu Gharib. Pretty stupid generalization.
How can you say that it teaches peace if you say that it teaches to honorably execute atheists? Seems kind of like a contradiction to me. Do you even know what you're talking about? I hope that you're just talking out of your ass.
Seems like it's the same as many other religions.
Hey buddy, this is whats out in the media, and there are a LOT of unreleased pictures AND videos, and there may be countless other incidents NOT caught on camera or video.
Remember, the US invaded Iraq on a FALSE premise (WMD), has killed TEN THOUSAND individuals (NOT counting those wearing a uniform). That should make the US troops the terrorists, and the insurgents freedom fighters.
Now that the Iraqis WANT freedom, the US is determined to keep their forces in Iraq. How ironic.
It's a mess. If the US leaves, then there would probably be a civil war. The US & UK can't leave.
As you said previously, the transition cannot be instant.
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