Powell: Arab Response to Berg Insufficient

[Mill]

hatim- Do you condemn what happened to Berg? I was appalled and pissed about Abu Gharib and 100% condemned it. Do you feel the same about Berg?

 

[StageLeft]

Well he shouldn't have said that. It just seems kind of silly to me.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Well he shouldn't have said that. It just seems kind of silly to me.

And I agree with that. I was fairly irritated that Powell said that, because what exactly did he hope for? Hell, even Hamas condemned it!

 

[Atomic Rooster]

I thought this shiite was supposed to be limited to the P/N forum?

 

[The Green Bean]

Ok...Im human.

I made a mistake by saying "all americans were evil" forgive if possible. But, the governments are afterall chosen by the people of America...

Ofcourse I condemn the brutal murder of Berg. No way acceptable in any religion for that matther of fact!!! these terrorists are mentally disturbed, wrongly guided people.

 

[StageLeft]

Hatim, in regards to your posts, well I mean damn an entire novel could be written in response to them. You clearly have a 180 degree difference between your view point and most of the people on these forums. Trying to bridge that gap would be so impossible as to not even be worth the effort IMO.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: hatim
How are the US troops trating IRAQI prisoners??? :| Humiliation, abuse, torture! Did "ALL" the western presidents show total outrage??? :|

Outraged at what? That we have some criminals being prosecuted that happen be our own military.

Powell should remember that the USA has occupied IRAQ...its their homeland. All sorts of people reside there. These terrorists donot represent the whole of the ARAB world! They are a few criminals there. It does not mean that the whole muslim world should be held accountable for the act of a few? :disgust:

I believe Powell would like there to be a backing by the other Arab states to let us do our job and get out of there. The actions being taken by the insurgents is hampering that and without an official response by other states condemning these actions they are giving approval to them.

The USA on the other hand, have sent "troops" representatives of AMERICA. And look they did. then Powell should say that the whole of the USA is in the wrong. Why is the USA hiding its own SINS???

The vast majority have done nothing but try to improve the lives of Iraqis. Hiding? They were under investigation as soon as the allegations came out.

What happened to the "freedom" that the USA says is its basis. What happened to the "liberation" that USA promised innocent IRAQIS??

See above. You can't get the job done and get out if all you are doing is trying to keep yourself from getting killed.

Just imagine this, your father stripped, your mother and sister raped and tortured in a cell. USA has violated all international bounds! Imagine 1000s of Americans stripped and tortured and there photos published. Would that be worse or the brutal killing of 1?

the USA should withdraw from IRAQ immidiately!! They have not only committed international sins but have gone against their own morals.

Oh, that would make us look good. Leaving Iraq to civil war worst than Lebanon

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

These terrorists donot represent the whole of the ARAB world! They are a few criminals there. It does not mean that the whole muslim world should be held accountable for the act of a few?

Why is it always Islamic extremists doing these things? They are the ones strapping bombs on themselves and blowing up buses and nightclubs. They are the ones flying planes into buildings. They are the ones kidnapping people and beheading them or threatening to burn them alive. Not referring to Iraq specifically, but terrorism in general.

Nobody else is doing any of this.

Islam = a bad thing. (my opinion)

Have you ever studied Islam???

This terrorist suicide is totally unacceptable!! "Islam" the word istefl means peace! suicide is a sin and one commits it is sent to hell directly! You can take the example of renaissance christianity. So many different sects and beleifs.

No such thing as christianity however remains anymore

These people whoi usually carry out these bombings are from the extremist and minority sect of ISLAM. Theses people are those who donot even beleive in the Prophet as a great man. Without guidance, they have misinterpretted the meanings of the holy scripts and commit such heneos crimes.

You say that all americans are 100% perfect. They dont kill? They do. They are responsible for whatever happens to them. America's foreign policies and acts have enraged ALL muslims. Muslims have suffered all kinds of blows due to america's evils. It is our prophet that has taought us "patience"You just sit there and say that these people are bad. Have you ever wondered about the reasons that these people are so against the USA? You can take recent evernts as examples. TOTRURE of prisoners, demolishing of houses. Im sure if americans had been victims of such evils it would have committed far greater sins in far greater numbers.

Do you know that the muslim population of the world is more than 2.5 billion? Out of that if a few 1000 are evil doesnt mean the whole population should be punished!

USA is the evil! It is creating far greater crimes than anyone in the world. Being a lone superpower it has not dealt with it duties well. Perhaps the worse ever superpower in history.

Instead of working for the good of the world, its working for more power. Typical of all americans...

However, it is also the fault of all muslim goverments for not uniting into one. But the USA is indirectly responsible for that. It cannot afford muslims to be united. Just for the sake of Israel. Because goverments are not doing enough, then individuals feel that they should do something about it. they wrongly misuse the name of "allah" and "jihad" A jihad is not fought lik cawords like this.

What muslims are taught including the rules of war are far better than the so called "morals" of the USA. Too bad these mentally retarded people are spoiling the name of "ISLAM"

peace
hatim

You don't know much about the religion you subscrbe to do you? Islam most certainly advocates violence against nonbelievers and straying believers. Have you read anyhing about the Prophet and his original cause? What you are preaching is a watered down version of Islam to gain accaeptance. Yes those terrorist may be few in comparison to the number of believers but most of the believers are in favor of the terrorist actions. They just don't participate.

Government + violent religion = bad

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: hatim
Ok...Im human.

I made a mistake by saying "all americans were evil" forgive if possible. But, the governments are afterall chosen by the people of America...

Ofcourse I condemn the brutal murder of Berg. No way acceptable in any religion for that matther of fact!!! these terrorists are mentally disturbed, wrongly guided people.

Is the government of Syria, Palestine, Afghanistan, etc not chosen by the people? Was Saddam's not chosen by the people? Of course, not, but I still want to here how the US is evil. Governments rule the people, but the American system actually lets the people choose things occasionally.

 

[The Green Bean]

Im not saying that terrosists are right. But the american "goverment" is also not right in everything it does.

If you do get a chance to be able to think from a muslim point-of view, then you will know what I talk about. Ive been exposed to both sides of the media. CNN/BBC are still my favorite though, buth I can also see through muslim minds.

For a minuite please do imagine what you would have done if you were muslim. Your fathers beig torured and stripped, mothers being raped.

Would you do nothing about it? No anger? No fight back? just sit idel?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: hatim
Im not saying that terrosists are right. But the american "goverment" is also not right in everything it does.

If you do get a chance to be able to think from a muslim point-of view, then you will know what I talk about. Ive been exposed to both sides of the media. CNN/BBC are still my favorite though, buth I can also see through muslim minds.

For a minuite please do imagine what you would have done if you were muslim. Your fathers beig torured and stripped, mothers being raped.

Would you do nothing about it? No anger? No fight back? just sit idel?

Why are you limiting that to religion? Everyone in the world is angry regardless of religion.

 

[StageLeft]

For a minuite please do imagine what you would have done if you were muslim. Your fathers beig torured and stripped, mothers being raped.

Would you do nothing about it? No anger? No fight back? just sit idel?

What rape and torture are you referring to? The acts by 12/150,000 soldiers? That is so insignificant in the grand scheme of how american soldiers act as to be not worth mentioning. They should be put on trial, and will be, but Americans would react to their army being seen in this light much as you'd react to being seen as a terrorist simply because you're a follower of Islam.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Yes, just what we need, another cold war.

Go back under your rock.

Why is it always Islamic extremists doing these things? They are the ones strapping bombs on themselves and blowing up buses and nightclubs. They are the ones flying planes into buildings. They are the ones kidnapping people and beheading them or threatening to burn them alive. Not referring to Iraq specifically, but terrorism in general.

Nobody else is doing any of this.

Islam = a bad thing. (my opinion)

SEE!!!

WHERE did I say "Islam = a bad thing"
Can you not fvcking read?
Astaroth33 said that you illiterate peon.

How do you translate what I said into hatred of islam?
You are one ignorant fvck, lemmie tell ya.

Yes, I did say it, and I wholeheartedly stand by what I said. People like hatim even reinforce my point of view.

One of the goals of Islam is to rule the world under Sharia, or Islamic law. Islam as a religion can't play nice with other religions unless Islam is firmly in charge. Sure, "islam" means "peace", but to Muslims that only seems to apply when everyone's a Muslim (if even that, given the conflict between Shiite and Sunni sects).

You don't hear about Buddhist extremists beheading people, nor Pagans crashing planes into buildings with the goal of killing thousands of people in the name of their religion. It is the Muslims in the Philippines (abu-sayyaf) who were beheading people there, not the Christians. In Afghanistan under the Taliban, preaching Christianity was punishable by death. If I recall, the Saudis aren't much better.

Islam is all about intolerance toward others. Not peace. Not tolerance. Not being reasonable. It cannot even tolerate criticism of itself (Salman Rushdie).

Sorry, hatim. I think you're a troll, and I absolutely HATE what you stand for. I detest Islam in general, and I consider the people who commit suicide bombings and other such acts of terrorism to NOT be human beings, nor entitled to the priviledges and courtesies of such.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: hatim
Im not saying that terrosists are right. But the american "goverment" is also not right in everything it does.

If you do get a chance to be able to think from a muslim point-of view, then you will know what I talk about. Ive been exposed to both sides of the media. CNN/BBC are still my favorite though, buth I can also see through muslim minds.

For a minuite please do imagine what you would have done if you were muslim. Your fathers beig torured and stripped, mothers being raped.

Would you do nothing about it? No anger? No fight back? just sit idel?

Umm... the American Government is right in everything it does. Might makes right.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: hatim
Im not saying that terrosists are right. But the american "goverment" is also not right in everything it does.

If you do get a chance to be able to think from a muslim point-of view, then you will know what I talk about. Ive been exposed to both sides of the media. CNN/BBC are still my favorite though, buth I can also see through muslim minds.

For a minuite please do imagine what you would have done if you were muslim. Your fathers beig torured and stripped, mothers being raped.

Would you do nothing about it? No anger? No fight back? just sit idel?

No I'm sorry I can't see things from a Muslim perspective because it is 2004 and not 1200.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: hatim
Im not saying that terrosists are right. But the american "goverment" is also not right in everything it does.

If you do get a chance to be able to think from a muslim point-of view, then you will know what I talk about. Ive been exposed to both sides of the media. CNN/BBC are still my favorite though, buth I can also see through muslim minds.

For a minuite please do imagine what you would have done if you were muslim. Your fathers beig torured and stripped, mothers being raped.

Would you do nothing about it? No anger? No fight back? just sit idel?

The US government isn't right in everything it does...unless like above mentioned 'might makes right' since that's how the world works.

Think how you would feel if you were American. Your fathers and mothers were killed by Muslims when they decided to fly planes into two buildings.

Would you do nothing about it? No anger? No fight back? just sit idel'?

You're applying a double standard. I think that your 'Muslim view' is severely biasing you, as can be seen in your comments in this very thread.

 

[dartworth]

Please...








If you don't stop...

 

[dolph]

iraq. iran. libya. syria. saudi arabia. pakistan. indonesia. most of the world's muslims live in these countries, and what can be said of the governments? not to mention all of the warlords in central asia, africa, etc. who all claim muslim heritage. i'm not saying that muslims are inherently bad, and most are good, peaceful people, but recent history is indisputable. as samuel huntington said in clash of civilizations, "islam has bloody borders."

 

[The Green Bean]

Who told you that????

Violence=bad!!!

Islam only orders killing of atheists! for any other religion killing is forbidden. Do you know how much right ISLAM gives to non-belevers? They must pay tax (for defense of the country) for everything else, they can follow their own costoms, rules and laws amonghst each other. I suggest every American to pleaes do some reserch on ISLAM and see that it is not violent. Arabic meaning if Islam means "Peace" Islam is all about peace.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: dolph
iraq. iran. libya. syria. saudi arabia. pakistan. indonesia. most of the world's muslims live in these countries, and what can be said of the governments? not to mention all of the warlords in central asia, africa, etc. who all claim muslim heritage. i'm not saying that muslims are inherently bad, and most are good, peaceful people, but recent history is indisputable. as samuel huntington said in clash of civilizations, "islam has bloody borders."

All religions have a bloody history at some time. Perhaps you should look back at other religions also. I think Muslims are violent because they are supressed. Not a few years ago, the world was ruled by muslims.

 

[StageLeft]

Islam only orders killing of atheists!

Huh? Islam allows killing of atheists?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: hatim
Im not saying that terrosists are right. But the american "goverment" is also not right in everything it does.

If you do get a chance to be able to think from a muslim point-of view, then you will know what I talk about. Ive been exposed to both sides of the media. CNN/BBC are still my favorite though, buth I can also see through muslim minds.

For a minuite please do imagine what you would have done if you were muslim. Your fathers beig torured and stripped, mothers being raped.

Would you do nothing about it? No anger? No fight back? just sit idel?

The US government isn't right in everything it does...unless like above mentioned 'might makes right' since that's how the world works.

Think how you would feel if you were American. Your fathers and mothers were killed by Muslims when they decided to fly planes into two buildings.

Would you do nothing about it? No anger? No fight back? just sit idel'?

You're applying a double standard. I think that your 'Muslim view' is severely biasing you, as can be seen in your comments in this very thread.

Ofcourse I was feel infuriated. But not to such an unjust extent. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. America took its revenge in Afghanistan

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: dolph
iraq. iran. libya. syria. saudi arabia. pakistan. indonesia. most of the world's muslims live in these countries, and what can be said of the governments? not to mention all of the warlords in central asia, africa, etc. who all claim muslim heritage. i'm not saying that muslims are inherently bad, and most are good, peaceful people, but recent history is indisputable. as samuel huntington said in clash of civilizations, "islam has bloody borders."

All religions have a bloody history at some time. Perhaps you should look back at other religions also. I think Muslims are violent because they are supressed. Not a few years ago, the world was ruled by muslims.

Supressed by whom? Their own governments and people?

There are some Muslim communities that aren't particularly violent - India, Malaysia, Singapore, etc (even though some of those aren't Muslim majority)

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Islam only orders killing of atheists!

Huh? Islam allows killing of atheists?

Not just "allows" it, apparently, but "orders" it. What an amazingly enlightned point of view.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Islam only orders killing of atheists!

Huh? Islam allows killing of atheists?

Not just "allows" it, apparently, but "orders" it. What an amazingly enlightned point of view.

I am thinking hatim had a typo, or a mis-interpretation. Surely islam can't encourage that.