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LS20

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Originally posted by: DonVito


IMO material is highly overrated as a differentiating factor in ride quality.

C+++++++++++

people can argue over frame material for years and , really , it doesnt make a difference. one can pretty much manufacture a frame of any material with any ride quality.

personally , i like steel - its prettier; and im not being facetious

 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: LS20
Originally posted by: DonVito


IMO material is highly overrated as a differentiating factor in ride quality.

C+++++++++++

people can argue over frame material for years and , really , it doesnt make a difference. one can pretty much manufacture a frame of any material with any ride quality.

personally , i like steel - its prettier; and im not being facetious

I disagree. It is harder to make a comfortable frame out of aluminum. Aluminum is much more rigid material than steel so it takes a lot more R&D to design one that is somewhat compliant and even so it will still be a compromise. Steel is much better because it has more spring to it yet can be made very thin walled and still be strong.

I've yet to ride a comfortable aluminum bike. I've ridden many comfortable steel bikes and a couple comfortable CF bikes. I have yet to try Ti but I've heard good things. :D
 

LS20

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus


I disagree. It is harder to make a comfortable frame out of aluminum. Aluminum is much more rigid material than steel so it takes a lot more R&D to design one that is somewhat compliant and even so it will still be a compromise. Steel is much better because it has more spring to it yet can be made very thin walled and still be strong.

I've yet to ride a comfortable aluminum bike. I've ridden many comfortable steel bikes and a couple comfortable CF bikes. I have yet to try Ti but I've heard good things. :D

exactly. you've heard good things about Ti. if you read around enough, youll also hear tons of bad things about it.

in NO group do people adhere so strongly to so much hearsay and anecdoctal dogma as bicyclists. a funny thing i observe is how beginner bicyclists will all perpetuate praise on their carbon seatposts for "absorbing roadbuzz", when any experienced rider will tell you it makes absolutely zero difference.

consider that - even at 120lbs - you can see your tires strain visibly while rolling, and it makes sense that the frame plays a negligible role. contact points (tires, gel wrap, saddle) have such a huge K contrast to that of the frame material that the frame impart imperceptible feel.

give me 10 frames. ill wrap them up loosely with paper. ill put my money against anyone who takes them for a ride and can point out the material. anyday
 

Brutuskend

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Originally posted by: LS20
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus


I disagree. It is harder to make a comfortable frame out of aluminum. Aluminum is much more rigid material than steel so it takes a lot more R&D to design one that is somewhat compliant and even so it will still be a compromise. Steel is much better because it has more spring to it yet can be made very thin walled and still be strong.

I've yet to ride a comfortable aluminum bike. I've ridden many comfortable steel bikes and a couple comfortable CF bikes. I have yet to try Ti but I've heard good things. :D

exactly. you've heard good things about Ti. if you read around enough, youll also hear tons of bad things about it.

in NO group do people adhere so strongly to so much hearsay and anecdoctal dogma as bicyclists. a funny thing i observe is how beginner bicyclists will all perpetuate praise on their carbon seatposts for "absorbing roadbuzz", when any experienced rider will tell you it makes absolutely zero difference.

consider that - even at 120lbs - you can see your tires strain visibly while rolling, and it makes sense that the frame plays a negligible role. contact points (tires, gel wrap, saddle) have such a huge K contrast to that of the frame material that the frame impart imperceptible feel.

give me 10 frames. ill wrap them up loosely with paper. ill put my money against anyone who takes them for a ride and can point out the material. anyday

How much $$ are we taking about here? ;)
 
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Originally posted by: LS20
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus


I disagree. It is harder to make a comfortable frame out of aluminum. Aluminum is much more rigid material than steel so it takes a lot more R&D to design one that is somewhat compliant and even so it will still be a compromise. Steel is much better because it has more spring to it yet can be made very thin walled and still be strong.

I've yet to ride a comfortable aluminum bike. I've ridden many comfortable steel bikes and a couple comfortable CF bikes. I have yet to try Ti but I've heard good things. :D

exactly. you've heard good things about Ti. if you read around enough, youll also hear tons of bad things about it.

in NO group do people adhere so strongly to so much hearsay and anecdoctal dogma as bicyclists. a funny thing i observe is how beginner bicyclists will all perpetuate praise on their carbon seatposts for "absorbing roadbuzz", when any experienced rider will tell you it makes absolutely zero difference.

consider that - even at 120lbs - you can see your tires strain visibly while rolling, and it makes sense that the frame plays a negligible role. contact points (tires, gel wrap, saddle) have such a huge K contrast to that of the frame material that the frame impart imperceptible feel.

give me 10 frames. ill wrap them up loosely with paper. ill put my money against anyone who takes them for a ride and can point out the material. anyday

thats just silly...

 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: LS20
exactly. you've heard good things about Ti. if you read around enough, youll also hear tons of bad things about it.

in NO group do people adhere so strongly to so much hearsay and anecdoctal dogma as bicyclists. a funny thing i observe is how beginner bicyclists will all perpetuate praise on their carbon seatposts for "absorbing roadbuzz", when any experienced rider will tell you it makes absolutely zero difference.

consider that - even at 120lbs - you can see your tires strain visibly while rolling, and it makes sense that the frame plays a negligible role. contact points (tires, gel wrap, saddle) have such a huge K contrast to that of the frame material that the frame impart imperceptible feel.

give me 10 frames. ill wrap them up loosely with paper. ill put my money against anyone who takes them for a ride and can point out the material. anyday

It really depends on how long you ride. If you ride for a short 20-40 miles burst, then there is really no difference except weight and tire friction. When you start doing centuries though, thing become a little nicer on difference types of bikes.
 

Hammerhead

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Originally posted by: DaShen
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: loic2003
Must be really tough trying to not look like a homosexual on that bike.

You're implying I have trouble looking gay when you look like THIS?

http://www.frenchgeek.com/imageslg/aus8.jpg

LOL :laugh:

*EDIT*
I am Amused. :D

L
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:laugh:
Damn! that was funny as hell!:thumbsup:
 

cheapgoose

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Hammerhead

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Originally posted by: cheapgoose
Originally posted by: DaShen
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: loic2003
Must be really tough trying to not look like a homosexual on that bike.

You're implying I have trouble looking gay when you look like THIS?

http://www.frenchgeek.com/imageslg/aus8.jpg

LOL :laugh:

*EDIT*
I am Amused. :D


lol...:beer:

motion to make this a pwnage of the year nominee...
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: LS20
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus


I disagree. It is harder to make a comfortable frame out of aluminum. Aluminum is much more rigid material than steel so it takes a lot more R&D to design one that is somewhat compliant and even so it will still be a compromise. Steel is much better because it has more spring to it yet can be made very thin walled and still be strong.

I've yet to ride a comfortable aluminum bike. I've ridden many comfortable steel bikes and a couple comfortable CF bikes. I have yet to try Ti but I've heard good things. :D

exactly. you've heard good things about Ti. if you read around enough, youll also hear tons of bad things about it.

in NO group do people adhere so strongly to so much hearsay and anecdoctal dogma as bicyclists. a funny thing i observe is how beginner bicyclists will all perpetuate praise on their carbon seatposts for "absorbing roadbuzz", when any experienced rider will tell you it makes absolutely zero difference.

consider that - even at 120lbs - you can see your tires strain visibly while rolling, and it makes sense that the frame plays a negligible role. contact points (tires, gel wrap, saddle) have such a huge K contrast to that of the frame material that the frame impart imperceptible feel.

give me 10 frames. ill wrap them up loosely with paper. ill put my money against anyone who takes them for a ride and can point out the material. anyday

I don't think a carbon seatpost makes a bit of difference on a bike. However, if you make the entire frame out of CF it will make a difference. Oh, and I do think that construction makes a difference as well. Are there aluminum bikes that have good ride qualities? I'm sure there are but I have yet to ride one. I know for a fact that there are plenty of aluminum bikes with very poor ride qualities.

And yes, I can tell a difference.
 

everman

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Originally posted by: LS20

in NO group do people adhere so strongly to so much hearsay and anecdoctal dogma as bicyclists.

You obviously don't play golf, I think golfers can be far far worse :p :D
 

gsellis

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JEEEEeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz..... Imagine, roadies arguing about frames :p

But can they handle a 6' drop? :D (Won't try it on my XC either ;) )

/I was a roadie BEFORE "Breaking Away" , but I got better ;)
 
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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

I disagree. It is harder to make a comfortable frame out of aluminum. Aluminum is much more rigid material than steel so it takes a lot more R&D to design one that is somewhat compliant and even so it will still be a compromise. Steel is much better because it has more spring to it yet can be made very thin walled and still be strong.

I've yet to ride a comfortable aluminum bike. I've ridden many comfortable steel bikes and a couple comfortable CF bikes. I have yet to try Ti but I've heard good things. :D

This is completely incorrect from an engineering standpoint - aluminum isn't more rigid than steel - it's actually less so. That's why the early standard-diameter Vitus and Alan aluminum bikes were so whippy. If you build a steel bike with Cannondale-style tube diameters it will be even more brutally stiff than an aluminum bike.

Read Scot Nicol's articles on bike materials for more detailed info.
 

trOver

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does anyone wana see a pic of my homemade electric bike that does 40mph? i just wana know so i dont have to go through the hassle of the taking pic etc if no one is gona look...