Originally posted by: deerslayer
Originally posted by: n7
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5391/img0492largesx8.jpg
What kind of bike is that? Looks sharp.
Originally posted by: DonVito
IMO material is highly overrated as a differentiating factor in ride quality.
Originally posted by: LS20
Originally posted by: DonVito
IMO material is highly overrated as a differentiating factor in ride quality.
C+++++++++++
people can argue over frame material for years and , really , it doesnt make a difference. one can pretty much manufacture a frame of any material with any ride quality.
personally , i like steel - its prettier; and im not being facetious
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I disagree. It is harder to make a comfortable frame out of aluminum. Aluminum is much more rigid material than steel so it takes a lot more R&D to design one that is somewhat compliant and even so it will still be a compromise. Steel is much better because it has more spring to it yet can be made very thin walled and still be strong.
I've yet to ride a comfortable aluminum bike. I've ridden many comfortable steel bikes and a couple comfortable CF bikes. I have yet to try Ti but I've heard good things.![]()
Originally posted by: LS20
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I disagree. It is harder to make a comfortable frame out of aluminum. Aluminum is much more rigid material than steel so it takes a lot more R&D to design one that is somewhat compliant and even so it will still be a compromise. Steel is much better because it has more spring to it yet can be made very thin walled and still be strong.
I've yet to ride a comfortable aluminum bike. I've ridden many comfortable steel bikes and a couple comfortable CF bikes. I have yet to try Ti but I've heard good things.![]()
exactly. you've heard good things about Ti. if you read around enough, youll also hear tons of bad things about it.
in NO group do people adhere so strongly to so much hearsay and anecdoctal dogma as bicyclists. a funny thing i observe is how beginner bicyclists will all perpetuate praise on their carbon seatposts for "absorbing roadbuzz", when any experienced rider will tell you it makes absolutely zero difference.
consider that - even at 120lbs - you can see your tires strain visibly while rolling, and it makes sense that the frame plays a negligible role. contact points (tires, gel wrap, saddle) have such a huge K contrast to that of the frame material that the frame impart imperceptible feel.
give me 10 frames. ill wrap them up loosely with paper. ill put my money against anyone who takes them for a ride and can point out the material. anyday
Originally posted by: loic2003
Must be really tough trying to not look like a homosexual on that bike.Originally posted by: Amused
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0422.jpg
Originally posted by: LS20
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I disagree. It is harder to make a comfortable frame out of aluminum. Aluminum is much more rigid material than steel so it takes a lot more R&D to design one that is somewhat compliant and even so it will still be a compromise. Steel is much better because it has more spring to it yet can be made very thin walled and still be strong.
I've yet to ride a comfortable aluminum bike. I've ridden many comfortable steel bikes and a couple comfortable CF bikes. I have yet to try Ti but I've heard good things.![]()
exactly. you've heard good things about Ti. if you read around enough, youll also hear tons of bad things about it.
in NO group do people adhere so strongly to so much hearsay and anecdoctal dogma as bicyclists. a funny thing i observe is how beginner bicyclists will all perpetuate praise on their carbon seatposts for "absorbing roadbuzz", when any experienced rider will tell you it makes absolutely zero difference.
consider that - even at 120lbs - you can see your tires strain visibly while rolling, and it makes sense that the frame plays a negligible role. contact points (tires, gel wrap, saddle) have such a huge K contrast to that of the frame material that the frame impart imperceptible feel.
give me 10 frames. ill wrap them up loosely with paper. ill put my money against anyone who takes them for a ride and can point out the material. anyday
Originally posted by: LS20
exactly. you've heard good things about Ti. if you read around enough, youll also hear tons of bad things about it.
in NO group do people adhere so strongly to so much hearsay and anecdoctal dogma as bicyclists. a funny thing i observe is how beginner bicyclists will all perpetuate praise on their carbon seatposts for "absorbing roadbuzz", when any experienced rider will tell you it makes absolutely zero difference.
consider that - even at 120lbs - you can see your tires strain visibly while rolling, and it makes sense that the frame plays a negligible role. contact points (tires, gel wrap, saddle) have such a huge K contrast to that of the frame material that the frame impart imperceptible feel.
give me 10 frames. ill wrap them up loosely with paper. ill put my money against anyone who takes them for a ride and can point out the material. anyday
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: loic2003
Must be really tough trying to not look like a homosexual on that bike.Originally posted by: Amused
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0422.jpg
You're implying I have trouble looking gay when you look like THIS?
http://www.frenchgeek.com/imageslg/aus8.jpg
Originally posted by: DaShen
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: loic2003
Must be really tough trying to not look like a homosexual on that bike.Originally posted by: Amused
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0422.jpg
You're implying I have trouble looking gay when you look like THIS?
http://www.frenchgeek.com/imageslg/aus8.jpg
LOL :laugh:
*EDIT*
I am Amused.![]()
Originally posted by: DaShen
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: loic2003
Must be really tough trying to not look like a homosexual on that bike.Originally posted by: Amused
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0422.jpg
You're implying I have trouble looking gay when you look like THIS?
http://www.frenchgeek.com/imageslg/aus8.jpg
LOL :laugh:
*EDIT*
I am Amused.![]()
Originally posted by: cheapgoose
Originally posted by: DaShen
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: loic2003
Must be really tough trying to not look like a homosexual on that bike.Originally posted by: Amused
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0422.jpg
You're implying I have trouble looking gay when you look like THIS?
http://www.frenchgeek.com/imageslg/aus8.jpg
LOL :laugh:
*EDIT*
I am Amused.![]()
lol...:beer:
Originally posted by: LS20
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I disagree. It is harder to make a comfortable frame out of aluminum. Aluminum is much more rigid material than steel so it takes a lot more R&D to design one that is somewhat compliant and even so it will still be a compromise. Steel is much better because it has more spring to it yet can be made very thin walled and still be strong.
I've yet to ride a comfortable aluminum bike. I've ridden many comfortable steel bikes and a couple comfortable CF bikes. I have yet to try Ti but I've heard good things.![]()
exactly. you've heard good things about Ti. if you read around enough, youll also hear tons of bad things about it.
in NO group do people adhere so strongly to so much hearsay and anecdoctal dogma as bicyclists. a funny thing i observe is how beginner bicyclists will all perpetuate praise on their carbon seatposts for "absorbing roadbuzz", when any experienced rider will tell you it makes absolutely zero difference.
consider that - even at 120lbs - you can see your tires strain visibly while rolling, and it makes sense that the frame plays a negligible role. contact points (tires, gel wrap, saddle) have such a huge K contrast to that of the frame material that the frame impart imperceptible feel.
give me 10 frames. ill wrap them up loosely with paper. ill put my money against anyone who takes them for a ride and can point out the material. anyday
Originally posted by: LS20
in NO group do people adhere so strongly to so much hearsay and anecdoctal dogma as bicyclists.
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I disagree. It is harder to make a comfortable frame out of aluminum. Aluminum is much more rigid material than steel so it takes a lot more R&D to design one that is somewhat compliant and even so it will still be a compromise. Steel is much better because it has more spring to it yet can be made very thin walled and still be strong.
I've yet to ride a comfortable aluminum bike. I've ridden many comfortable steel bikes and a couple comfortable CF bikes. I have yet to try Ti but I've heard good things.![]()