Possibly the most important science breakthrough happened today (not really)

[TecHNooB]

Apparently the National Instruments company has been duped into working with Rossi too:

Here is their press release:
http://digital.ni.com/worldwide/bwcontent.nsf/web/all/2C6B449A3F0F8F3A862579480060A07F



Edit: Leonardo Corporation is Rossi. So now, Rossi and CERN are connected whether you want it or not, with NI being a common denominator. So good to know that I am not the only gullible person out there. Apparently corporations full of physicists and engineers are tricked into working with Rossi as well. Dang it.

They're also working closely with microsoft. I believe microsoft word is their word processing program of choice.

 

[DrPizza]

Oh, another one...
I'll quote that just in case
Why all of you have a need to take it on me? Write NASA. They are the ones creating slides about LERN and taking it seriously and such.

It's amazing that Bushnell still works for NASA - isn't he the guy who brought in that blacklight guy a little over a decade ago? And, historically, multiple branches of the government actively researched ESP, telekinesis, etc. That didn't make it real; but was worth investigating (in case it was.) ESP, telekinesis are known to be bogus. Ditto Rossi's "invention."

Apparently the National Instruments company has been duped into working with Rossi too:

Here is their press release:
http://digital.ni.com/worldwide/bwcontent.nsf/web/all/2C6B449A3F0F8F3A862579480060A07F



Edit: Leonardo Corporation is Rossi. So now, Rossi and CERN are connected whether you want it or not, with NI being a common denominator. So good to know that I am not the only gullible person out there. Apparently corporations full of physicists and engineers are tricked into working with Rossi as well. Dang it.

Think, Adlep, think. That they're purchasing control systems from National Instruments means no more than "Pizza Hut is now working closely with Rossi, because Rossi's staff ordered pizza for lunch and had it delivered."

Has anyone offered you a public wager yet? I'm willing to bet money that this invention is bogus. There is no cold fusion happening in the quantities that Rossi is claiming.

 

[Born2bwire]

Apparently the National Instruments company has been duped into working with Rossi too:

Here is their press release:
http://digital.ni.com/worldwide/bwcontent.nsf/web/all/2C6B449A3F0F8F3A862579480060A07F



Edit: Leonardo Corporation is Rossi. So now, Rossi and CERN are connected whether you want it or not, with NI being a common denominator. So good to know that I am not the only gullible person out there. Apparently corporations full of physicists and engineers are tricked into working with Rossi as well. Dang it.

That's just stating that Rossi is BUYING stuff from NI. You might as well say that Siemans supports Iran's nuclear weapons programs as well.

 

[DrPizza]

Oh, look at that, Nelson's little NASA presentation. Just a bachelor's degree - in industrial and systems engineering. LOL "Free Energy Investigator - last 5 years as a hobby.) Again, LOL.

Let's see... March 16, 2011, Rossi is going to get $200 million from Defkalion.
July, Defkalion offers 40.5 million per factory
Aug 1, 2011, not a penny from Defkalion yet.
Aug 7, 2011, Rossi terminates business with Defkalion

Then, in December, Defkalion has allegedly copied the technology. Yet, not a single reputable source has mentioned either Rossi or Defkalion.

OMG! Gamma Radiation - "Rossi has avoided direct measurement for fear of revealing catalyst." LOL

And finally, OP, read page 13. "Difficult to rule Rossi out - in spite of the low quality demonstrations no one has yet to completely dismiss Rossi's work as a total sham. <note: I have.> From all accounts he has sunk a personal fortune into this. He is not selling shares in a future company. He does allow potential investors to kick the tires a bit... albeit strictly on his terms thus far. " Basically, it sounds like NASA is looking for alternate methods of fueling long term space missions (satellites, etc.) with a source other than the current fission based methods. As such, they're doing the responsible thing by investigating all possible avenues. But, as far as Rossi's avenue, "it seems to be a dead end, but we every time we mention him to the experts, they don't respond with a solid answer. They just start laughing hysterically until they can't talk, then we leave."

 

[DrPizza]

By the way, OP, I invented a magic device that does something absolutely fantastic that breaks all the laws of physics as we know them today. You can read all about it on the 5 websites that I own. That'll have to do, because no other sites are picking up the story; they're being repressed by The Man. But I found an investor, willing to fork over $200 million dollars! His name is "western NY fainting goat farmer."

edit: Oh crap! Western NY fainting goat farmer just stole my invention! Now, he's got his own websites promoting HIS product that for some bizarre reason, most of the world is ignoring.

 

[adlep]

Look, all I am saying is this: As it stands right now Rossi's pattern of behavior differs somewhat from a typical:
"Billy Bob playing with magnets in his basement, claiming free energy, and looking for investors" M.O.

Take the NI for example.
a. They don't work with anyone. You have to have technology that COULD use their control units and software in order for them to work with you (the application and a common interest HAS to be there).
b. The NI a SERIOUS company. I doubt that they would risk a good reputation of the company by being associated with a pure scam.
c. What warrants a dedicated press release that mentions the name "Rossi"? I doubt that they put out a press release for every client.
d. As it stands right now, Rossi is being useful. Because of him there are at least few educated people in Texas that are hard at work designing and testing control modules for his device. So in a sense Rossi is pouring financial resources into the "invention" and keeping a US company in business versus for example Chinese and European companies...

That's just stating that Rossi is BUYING stuff from NI. You might as well say that Siemans supports Iran's nuclear weapons programs as well.

Find me a press release from Siemens where they brag about Iran buying control units from them.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Look, all I am saying is this: As it stands right now Rossi's pattern of behavior differs somewhat from a typical:
"Billy Bob playing with magnets in his basement, claiming free energy, and looking for investors" M.O.

Take the NI for example.
a. They don't work with anyone. You have to have technology that COULD use their control units and software in order for them to work with you (the application and a common interest HAS to be there).
b. The NI a SERIOUS company. I doubt that they would risk a good reputation of the company by being associated with a pure scam.
c. What warrants a dedicated press release that mentions the name "Rossi"? I doubt that they put out a press release for every client.
d. As it stands right now, Rossi is being useful. Because of him there are at least few educated people in Texas that are hard at work designing and testing control modules for his device. So in a sense Rossi is pouring financial resources into the "invention" and keeping a US company in business versus for example Chinese and European companies...


Find me a press release from Siemens where they brag about Iran buying control units from them.

It doesn't matter what he says or does. What matters is the data, and the evidence. And what we've been shown so far is pretty crap.

 

[adlep]

It doesn't matter what he says or does. What matters is the data, and the evidence. And what we've been shown so far is pretty crap.

What?
Wut are u talking about?
We are discussing National Instruments now. This is a highly respectable independent 3rd party that puts out a dedicated PR bragging about their relationship.

Edit: The NI is all about the data btw...Please click on the PR link to learn what they do.

In physics specifically, NI has contributed product solutions to some of the most advanced projects including the CERN Large Hadron Collider (LHC) and tokamak fusion device control systems. Additionally, the Leonardo Corporation has intentions to incorporate NI tools in its control system.

Each and every NI employees has much more in depth knowledge about physics and engineering than ALL OF US btw...

"CERN Uses NI LabVIEW Software and PXI Hardware to Control World&#8217;s Largest Particle Accelerator"
http://sine.ni.com/cs/app/doc/p/id/cs-10795 - make sure to read the full case study

"Real-Time Tokamak Control with LabVIEW and PXI"
http://www.ni.com/physics/fusion.htm

 

[halik]

This is still going...

I for one am waiting for the Raelians to show me their cloned babies. Because aliens, ya know.

 

[adlep]

This is still going...

I for one am waiting for the Raelians to show me their cloned babies. Because aliens, ya know.

Magnets, how the f do they work?

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Social science. It's like normal science, only more talkative.

 

[Jeff7]

It's amazing that Bushnell still works for NASA - isn't he the guy who brought in that blacklight guy a little over a decade ago? And, historically, multiple branches of the government actively researched ESP, telekinesis, etc. That didn't make it real; but was worth investigating (in case it was.) ESP, telekinesis are known to be bogus. Ditto Rossi's "invention."
...

This.

"Not to be confused with 'making money selling this stuff to OTHER people who think it works', which corporate accountants and actuaries have zero problems with."

 

[DrPizza]

This.

"Not to be confused with 'making money selling this stuff to OTHER people who think it works', which corporate accountants and actuaries have zero problems with."

 

[Gibson486]

What?
Wut are u talking about?
We are discussing National Instruments now. This is a highly respectable independent 3rd party that puts out a dedicated PR bragging about their relationship.

Edit: The NI is all about the data btw...Please click on the PR link to learn what they do.



Each and every NI employees has much more in depth knowledge about physics and engineering than ALL OF US btw...

"CERN Uses NI LabVIEW Software and PXI Hardware to Control World?s Largest Particle Accelerator"
http://sine.ni.com/cs/app/doc/p/id/cs-10795 - make sure to read the full case study

"Real-Time Tokamak Control with LabVIEW and PXI"
http://www.ni.com/physics/fusion.htm

You have no idea what you are talking. I am not gonna comment on the project itself, because I simply do not know about it. Also, I think dr. pizza laughing about a guy just having a bs in systems engineering is pretty ignorant.

That said, I do not think you understand what NI makes. They make automated controllers and software tools. There is no mystery behind them. If I wanted to, I could buy there stuff right now. It is stuff that is off the shelf. It is customizable and essentially a plc that can do much more because you can do signals and systems analysis with it. You can also code fpgas with their labview software, which is now competing with matlab. In fact, we actually have an atot member that sells their hardware.

 

[Bignate603]

Each and every NI employees has much more in depth knowledge about physics and engineering than ALL OF US btw...

Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with you there. National Instruments is an instrumentation company. They make hardware and software to measure stuff and they don't necessarily have to understand the thing that they are measuring. Over time they've gotten more and more into the software side. The hundreds of computer scientists that they employ are very smart but the vast majority won't have any experience with anything past basic physics or mechanical engineering.

 

[DrPizza]

You have no idea what you are talking. I am not gonna comment on the project itself, because I simply do not know about it. Also, I think dr. pizza laughing about a guy just having a bs in systems engineering is pretty ignorant.

That said, I do not think you understand what NI makes. They make automated controllers and software tools. There is no mystery behind them. If I wanted to, I could buy there stuff right now. It is stuff that is off the shelf. It is customizable and essentially a plc that can do much more because you can do signals and systems analysis with it. You can also code fpgas with their labview software, which is now competing with matlab. In fact, we actually have an atot member that sells their hardware.

You misunderstood why I found that funny. I didn't mean to diminish the value of a BS in industrial engineering or systems engineering. What I mean is that Adlep (and Rossi) seem to be claiming that by his association with NASA, he would be an expert whose opinion carries a lot more weight than it really does. There's a huge difference between "bachelor's degree in industrial engineering, has worked at NASA for a lot of years" and "PhD in nuclear physics, has worked at NASA." While it's true he would likely be working with known processes, such as strontium90 or plutonium radioisotope thermoelectric generators, that really doesn't require a ton of background in nuclear physics. I would imagine that what he does leans more toward how to incorporate the RTGs in spacecraft and how to utilize the energy - not how they create the energy. And, afaik, strontium is in somewhat short supply & NASA is interested in alternative long term fuels - batteries, etc., don't seem adequate for the durations of missions that are involved. e.g. Voyager 1 has been operating for going on 35 years on plutonium RTGs.

Thus his capacity at NASA is likely to be searching for an alternate long duration source of energy, and how to incorporate that energy. (It also points out that for the past 5 years, it's just been a hobby.) In this capacity, any claim that he endorses Rossi's technology is tenuous at best.

I think my LOL would best be explained like this: let's say a hospital was looking for a new radioactive material for (radiation therapy, diagnostics, whatever; any of the reasons hospitals use radiation) and there was someone doing everything in his power to notify the world that he had figured out a way to safely make radiation by mixing ordinary tap water, and a special catalyst. Then, there was a meeting at the hospital, that was led by a nurse with a bachelor's degree; and the OP used that as evidence that the invention worked. I would equally LOL at a bachelor's degree in nursing - something that I also highly respect. Further, it's NASA - one would expect their best/brightest scientists to have education beyond the bachelor's level. Thus the "just a" part of the comment.

 

[epidemis]

Apparently the National Instruments company has been duped into working with Rossi too:

One Word: Eestor.

 

[Jeff7]

...
And, afaik, strontium is in somewhat short supply & NASA is interested in alternative long term fuels - batteries, etc., don't seem adequate for the durations of missions that are involved. e.g. Voyager 1 has been operating for going on 35 years on plutonium RTGs.
...

RIP Project Prometheus.

Ambitious, yes. But holy hell, a full-out fission reactor would provide power levels never before seen in a probe. The first one out of Prometheus was hoped to be a probe to explore Jupiter's system, and it would have had a wireless link that would even make some Earth-bound wireless connections look slow. (Ignoring the...checking...4200000ms ping times, at best.)
Yes, an expected transfer rate of 10Mbit/sec. From Jupiter.

 

[adlep]

You have no idea what you are talking. I am not gonna comment on the project itself, because I simply do not know about it. Also, I think dr. pizza laughing about a guy just having a bs in systems engineering is pretty ignorant.

That said, I do not think you understand what NI makes. They make automated controllers and software tools. There is no mystery behind them. If I wanted to, I could buy there stuff right now. It is stuff that is off the shelf. It is customizable and essentially a plc that can do much more because you can do signals and systems analysis with it. You can also code fpgas with their labview software, which is now competing with matlab. In fact, we actually have an atot member that sells their hardware.

That may be true, but how much hardware stuff would you actually have to buy from them in order to warrant a dedicated press release?

 

[PottedMeat]

That may be true, but how much hardware stuff would you actually have to buy from them in order to warrant a dedicated press release?

I'd bet it's NI's PR people just comparing their european sales lists and looking on the internet for people using their products in interesting ways. It's not a big deal at all. Most of the engineers here have probably used their products in some form. Heh I think all the senior projects one class I had had NI equipment either donated or purchased.

 

[crashtestdummy]

Adlep, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here. At this point there's nothing any of us could possibly say that would convince you that this guy is either a fraud, delusional, or a fool. Likewise, a random collection of nonscientific news articles and obscure press releases are never going to win us over, either. If we're right, this Rossi guy will fade into oblivion like all the other charlatans of years past (the list is really, really long BTW). If you're right, in ten years he'll be the most famous man on earth. Why do you want to argue about it with a bunch of folks you don't know on the internet?

 

[adlep]

Adlep, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here. At this point there's nothing any of us could possibly say that would convince you that this guy is either a fraud, delusional, or a fool. Likewise, a random collection of nonscientific news articles and obscure press releases are never going to win us over, either. If we're right, this Rossi guy will fade into oblivion like all the other charlatans of years past (the list is really, really long BTW). If you're right, in ten years he'll be the most famous man on earth. Why do you want to argue about it with a bunch of folks you don't know on the internet?

I am not arguing with anyone. Just posting links, for example this one:

http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.html

It links to the NASA again - you know this small obscure organization that gave us the moon ladings and the space shuttle. But they are bunch of scammers too - apparently. They are NO rocket scientists.


Edit: I blame Obama for wasting taxpayers money on such a nonsense...

Dr Zawodny's Bio:
http://eospso.gsfc.nasa.gov/directory/eospso_members/j_zawodny.php
http://joe.zawodny.com/
https://plus.google.com/104329614639983161524/posts

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

There was a woman with two Vagina's on the Tv. That eclipse everything.

 

[adlep]

There was a woman with two Vagina's on the Tv. That eclipse everything.

I quoted your awesome post

 

[slayernine]

through wired magazine:
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-10/28/cold-fusion

mr rossi's e-cat generator is gaining supporters and if it is a scam, seems that it is the most elaborate one yet...

I hope that this device works.

Mr rossi's himself:
http://youtu.be/7szhoq6p-rw

http://youtu.be/yn1osudktte

hell is happening:....where italians are the engineers...


http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3303682.ece -> this article talk about getting another university invloved: University of uppsala in sweden, which is a respected technical university in europe.


edit:
E-cat.com redirects to google green
http://www.google.com/green/

its devil magics, he"s the antichrist!!!