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Portis: "No big deal if Vick hosted Dog Fighting"

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Originally posted by: IeraseU
Probably should be made to pay a stiff fine. No jail time should result, this is a dog not a human being. I know some people that love animals as much as humans, but at the end of the day humans eat animals, humans kill animals for sport, humans use animal fur and skin and products for various trade goods, humans make animals perform for them in circuses and other venues for entertainment, humans capture wild animals for the viewing pleasure of the general public. Basically you get the point, humans do not necessarily treat animals as they treat humans. Some people do.....some people form bonds with their pets to the point that they are like part of the family......but if you were to separate yourself impartially and examine the human race as a whole, you would see that humans basically consider animals expendable commodities.
Animals don't exist solely for humans enjoyment, to be ripped asunder at our whim. While it's not the case around the world, here in America we don't eat dogs. We don't hunt dogs. We don't skin dogs for coats. In America dogs are "man's best friend." The whole notion of a dog is something that relies on you for food, shelter, time and affection. It's like a child, helpless without you. To take an animal that only exists for love and affection and subject it to torture and death is the most inhumane act of cruelty I can imagine.

I'm normally a fairly reasonable person. But this is one area where I get extreme. Someone who can not only condone these despicable acts of cruelty, but actually promote them as the natural order, is so far removed from any sense of civility as to be completely useless as a human being. In my mind, torturing an animal should carry the same sentence as torturing a baby. If you made toddlers fight to the death, you should be killed. Same thing with dogs. There is no hope for you.

A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than he loves himself.
-Josh Billings
 
(in response to Atomic Playboy)
Well, do you think you can publicly make that case? I mean say you were on a public forum, a debate or a day time talk show, to use as examples. Do you think the case can be put forth in an intelligent manner that people who abuse dogs ( in particular over other animals), should be put to death? Do you think this point can be debated intelligently enough for people to take it seriously and say "you're right, dog abusers in particular should be put to death"?
 
Originally posted by: IeraseU
(in response to Atomic Playboy)
Well, do you think you can publicly make that case? I mean say you were on a public forum, a debate or a day time talk show, to use as examples. Do you think the case can be put forth in an intelligent manner that people who abuse dogs ( in particular over other animals), should be put to death? Do you think this point can be debated intelligently enough for people to take it seriously and say "you're right, dog abusers in particular should be put to death"?



Why do you love Michael Vick so much?
 
Originally posted by: jlbenedict


Why do you love Michael Vick so much?

I have never heard of this person before today. I had or have no clue if he is in the NFL, what team he plays for, or what position he plays. I have no idea what his income is. I don't know what he looks like, I don't know his race, I don't know anything about this person whatsoever.


You probably ask why would I would defend him. I don't. Personally I think he should get a very hefty fine, probably one large enough to make him go "I better not mess around like this anymore". I also think if he got some additional problems with the NFL for his actions it would be fine also, a suspension that would cut additionally into his salary.

I am only making the statement that a human beings life is not comparable to that of an animal, no matter how lovable.

If you were in a situation where you were stranded, and it was you and your family and your dog. After a few weeks I have no doubt you would look at that dog as a food source and not your family. Why? He is not human, and as much as you love him in that moment of extreme duress you would realize it.

When I was in artic survival back when I was in the military, they gave us all these cute bunny rabbits. They were friendly and soft and cute, and we actually bonded with these rabbits. They said we could keep them as pets. One day we were taken on a helo ride and forced march in the snow for I think it was 8 to 10 miles. After which we were left to fend for ourselves. In the first week I lost 20lbs. The person next to me, was much worst, and had to be taken out for medical treatment. I had an emotional bond with that rabbit......I did not want to kill him and eat him........but I did. And in the same situation, I think you would also.
 
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: IeraseU
Probably should be made to pay a stiff fine. No jail time should result, this is a dog not a human being. I know some people that love animals as much as humans, but at the end of the day humans eat animals, humans kill animals for sport, humans use animal fur and skin and products for various trade goods, humans make animals perform for them in circuses and other venues for entertainment, humans capture wild animals for the viewing pleasure of the general public. Basically you get the point, humans do not necessarily treat animals as they treat humans. Some people do.....some people form bonds with their pets to the point that they are like part of the family......but if you were to separate yourself impartially and examine the human race as a whole, you would see that humans basically consider animals expendable commodities.
Animals don't exist solely for humans enjoyment, to be ripped asunder at our whim. While it's not the case around the world, here in America we don't eat dogs. We don't hunt dogs. We don't skin dogs for coats. In America dogs are "man's best friend." The whole notion of a dog is something that relies on you for food, shelter, time and affection. It's like a child, helpless without you. To take an animal that only exists for love and affection and subject it to torture and death is the most inhumane act of cruelty I can imagine.

I'm normally a fairly reasonable person. But this is one area where I get extreme. Someone who can not only condone these despicable acts of cruelty, but actually promote them as the natural order, is so far removed from any sense of civility as to be completely useless as a human being. In my mind, torturing an animal should carry the same sentence as torturing a baby. If you made toddlers fight to the death, you should be killed. Same thing with dogs. There is no hope for you.

A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than he loves himself.
-Josh Billings

A baby is a human being, a dog is not. What separates dogs from any other animal that we use for fur, food, etc., other than their socially accepted role as pets? Have you been to China? Yes, they really do eat dog meat there. Yes, they really do use other parts of the dog for other purposes. Should they all be put to death? Just because you raise a dog as a companion meant only for "love and affection" doesn't mean everyone else does or should have to.
 
Originally posted by: IeraseU
Originally posted by: jlbenedict


Why do you love Michael Vick so much?

I have never heard of this person before today. I had or have no clue if he is in the NFL, what team he plays for, or what position he plays. I have no idea what his income is. I don't know what he looks like, I don't know his race, I don't know anything about this person whatsoever.


You probably ask why would I would defend him. I don't. Personally I think he should get a very hefty fine, probably one large enough to make him go "I better not mess around like this anymore". I also think if he got some additional problems with the NFL for his actions it would be fine also, a suspension that would cut additionally into his salary.

I am only making the statement that a human beings life is not comparable to that of an animal, no matter how lovable.

If you were in a situation where you were stranded, and it was you and your family and your dog. After a few weeks I have no doubt you would look at that dog as a food source and not your family. Why? He is not human, and as much as you love him in that moment of extreme duress you would realize it.

When I was in artic survival back when I was in the military, they gave us all these cute bunny rabbits. They were friendly and soft and cute, and we actually bonded with these rabbits. They said we could keep them as pets. One day we were taken on a helo ride and forced march in the snow for I think it was 8 to 10 miles. After which we were left to fend for ourselves. In the first week I lost 20lbs. The person next to me, was much worst, and had to be taken out for medical treatment. I had an emotional bond with that rabbit......I did not want to kill him and eat him........but I did. And in the same situation, I think you would also.

Touching story but how does it relate exactly to laws outlawing cruelty to animals? I will stipulate that in an extreme survival situation it will literally be dog eat dog and the cleverest predator will survive. These laws have nothing to do with that and the situations are not remotely comparable. If someone came and took one of my pets and subjected it to vicious cruelty for whatever reason I do not think it is unreasonable for that person to face jail time if that is what the law calls for.
 
Originally posted by: Linflas

Touching story but how does it relate exactly to laws outlawing cruelty to animals? I will stipulate that in an extreme survival situation it will literally be dog eat dog and the cleverest predator will survive. These laws have nothing to do with that and the situations are not remotely comparable. If someone came and took one of my pets and subjected it to vicious cruelty for whatever reason I do not think it is unreasonable for that person to face jail time if that is what the law calls for.


The point of the story is that a human being is not on the same level as an animal. The story was an attempt to illustrate this point in a real world situation. Yes a crime has been committed (allegedly), therefore there must be some sort of repercussion. This repercussion should take into account the victim was an animal(s) and not a human being. A crime against an animal is not, and should not be considered as severe as a crime against a human being.
 
On top of jail time and a fine. He should have to run behind a dog amd pick up its crap. After that, maybe have to go and fight bob sapp to the death.

I think that fits the crime.

And to Ieraselj. I see your point. However this wasn't for survival or a last resort. Dog fighting is meaningless and serves no purpose.
 
Animals are not your property, they are your responsibility. Just because you bought it and feed it, doesn't mean you can make it fight. Would you make your SO fight, just because you feed him/her, and give him/her some attention every once in a while?
Making animals fight is wrong, they can't defend themselves against us humans.
 
Originally posted by: dbot
On top of jail time and a fine. He should have to run behind a dog amd pick up its crap. After that, maybe have to go and fight bob sapp to the death.

I think that fits the crime.

And to Ieraselj. I see your point. However this wasn't for survival or a last resort. Dog fighting is meaningless and serves no purpose.

And is illegal.

But, again Vick will get just a slap on the wrist. He brings big money to the Atlanta/NFL market as many look up to this low life thug... I don't understand why.. but thats beyond my comprehension as a civilized human being..

 
What a F@$#!%ING I-D-I-O-T!!!!!!!!!!!!



Quoted from the Kevin Hench espn article........

"Still unclear on the illegal nature of the activity, Portis asks, "How could you convict somebody on a dog fight?"

Okay, knucklehead, hypothetically, what if Vick were convicted?"



The F@!ING IDIOT doesn't even know this is illegal!!!!!!!!!

I swear, man..............just get rid of professional sports altogether. I'll go watch the local college games & we can just get rid of all this crap.

Favre can throw footballs into the Mississippi River
Vick can take his dog on a forever walk with his new ZERO paycheck
and Clinton Portis can join him w/ what's left of his intelligence.

It'll be like Spongebob & Patrick, just ex Pro NFL players.

Kobe Bryant, Barry Bonds.........F@#%in' all of 'em. Just flush 'em all down the proverbial toilet!
 
We kill and wear animal skin for fashion, kill and eat animal meat for sustenance, but heaven forbid animals possibly be killed for entertainment.
 
Originally posted by: yllus
We kill and wear animal skin for fashion, kill and eat animal meat for sustenance, but heaven forbid animals possibly be killed for entertainment.

There is a BIG difference between the two.
 
Right after you take out Tank Johnson and most of the Bengals.

Seriously, why is this even a felony? I understand weapons possession, domestic violence, heck - even drugs. But dogfighting? Do whatever you want on your own property as long as it doesn't cause harm to any other person.


Wow you are a ****** scumbag. Why is dog fighting a felcony because it cruel and barbaric.
 
[Portis]Wait a second here. People keep dogs as companion animals? I didn't know that.[/Portis]

Portis changes his tune. Surprised?

ASHBURN, Va. (AP) -- Say something that gets sports fans upset and the fallout can be brutal. Say something that raises the ire of the animal rights lobby? That's a whole different league.

Clinton Portis has learned that lesson the hard way. The Washington Redskins running back spoke Tuesday of the searing criticism he has received since he made light of the dog fighting investigation involving Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick.

"A couple of weeks ago, when I made those comments, I didn't understand the seriousness behind it," Portis said. "I didn't know it would affect that many people, didn't think what I said was that offensive. But after doing research and seeing how serious people take this, I shouldn't have made the comments."

In the May 21 interview with WAVY-TV in Norfolk, Portis and teammate Chris Samuels ridiculed the fact that dog fighting is considered a crime. In the interview, Portis said of Vick: "It's his property; it's his dogs. If that's what he wants to do, do it."

Portis said he has since done his own ad hoc research on the subject and saw people crying over two humpback whales trapped in a river near San Francisco. He said he even wondered if he was being watched on a hidden camera when a woman sitting next to him at an airport spread a blanket and put down a bowl of water for her dog.

"I had no idea the love that people have for animals or didn't consider it when I made those comments," Portis said. "I'm not even a pets man. I've got a fish -- that's the easiest thing to keep up. I've never been into dogs, never dealt with dogs, don't like playing with dogs. But at the same time there's a lot of people who are crazy over pets."

Portis initially tried to calm the furor over his original remarks by issuing a statement that said he does not condone dog fighting. Samuels followed by saying he was wrong for joking about the subject. The Redskins, who received complaints as well, issued an apology on behalf of the players the next day.

By then, however, the damage had been done, and Portis had become a poster child for those unaware of the brutality of dog fighting.

Portis said Tuesday that he'll be more judicious before offering an opinion that might come back to dog him.

"From now on, I don't comment on nobody," Portis said. "My life is the only thing I can control."

Notes: Portis said the tendinitis that has flared recently in his knee is healing well. "Definitely, I'll be ready for training camp," he said. ... Cornerback Shawn Springs, the only major absentee from most of the Redskins voluntary offseason program, reported for meetings Tuesday but didn't make it on the field because he had to leave early to attend to his pregnant wife. Springs had been working out on his own in Arizona during an uncertain offseason in which he was the subject of trade rumors and rebuffed attempts to renegotiate his contract. Springs, 32, is scheduled to count a team-high $7.4 million against the salary cap this season.

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Originally posted by: lupi
Given that so many think everyone and their brother should be able to do whatever drug they want, why would anyone have a problem with this?
How about you make a new thread for that?
 
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