Nissan's VQ makes more power with less displacement, is more smooth and refined, has a flat and broad torque curve, makes good torque at low RPM (don't have the exact figures).
The GM 3800 series can barely match the VQ even with forced induction.
Nissan VQ > * V6 engines
Originally posted by: psteng19
Nissan's VQ makes more power with less displacement, is more smooth and refined, has a flat and broad torque curve, makes good torque at low RPM (don't have the exact figures).
The GM 3800 series can barely match the VQ even with forced induction.
Nissan VQ > * V6 engines
I have a friend with a Altima 3.5se and the aftermarket for the VQ motor is crazy-expensive. The VQ motor is a nice motor, it amazes me how many vehicles it is in. The motor is less than 10 years old, while the 3800 is over 50-years old. I have beaten every VQ35-powered car I have come across, but I'm modded. I'm sure there are some very fast VQ35's out there with owners that have deep pockets, but not as common as fast 3800's.
Back on topic though, the G6 GTP 6-speed has a final drive ratio of 3.55 while the A4 has 3.69's. Those 3.69's make the car have neck-snapping launches if you can keep the tires planted. The downside is that it isn't as good on the MPG as other cars in it's class. The new 3900 motor has a lot of potential too, so slap in an aftermarket cam and do some tuning, and say hello to 300hp.
C&D and other magazines are Import Fanbois just like most of the people on this board. I like all cars.....I like the Acura TL, German vehicles, etc. I'm just tired of the stereotype on this board that every American car sucks. I work on cars all the time, and that's why I'm partial to American motors.....much easier to work on.
This is all just my opinion, at least we can agree to disagree.
Well seeing as how ford is tanking too I guess it isn't changing much eh?Originally posted by: jaedaliu
Originally posted by: SampSon
Yet designed by japanese companies, founded in japan with solid interests in japans well being.Originally posted by: NFS4
With the exception of the MS6, I think that all of those vehicles are built in the US by American workers
It gets deeper than that as well, with steel producing nations and tariffs.
Interesting, I woulda thought "owned by ford" would change some of those things.
Already done. Not a lot by any means, but definitely a start
It will probably bother me more when unemployment soars and my hard earned tax dollars get blown on social programs. I don't have too much confidence in the future of the American economy.
ok so we average out the MPG.
G6 AT: 22mpg
G6 MT: 23.5
Accord AT: 24.5
Accord MT: 25.5
now the percentage differences:
AT's: 11.36% accord more efficient
MT's: 8.5% accord more efficient
so over say we just compare MT's (since that is what he is getting). after 500 gallons of gas, the G6 will have gone 11750 miles @ $2.35 a gallon it will have costed him $1175
Accord would have gone 12750 and costed $1175
a whole extra 1000 miles.
which isnt bad at all, but i dont think he will care. i like the looks of the G6 to the Accord personally.
The honda is a good point didnt realize there were no autos. assumed it was a lot like the sc300s. 99.5% auto, a few manuals somewhere along the line.
but you are wrong about what I am trying to say. FWD is not a definite killer. Rather It is inefficent and poorly egineered as a front wheel drive car. A Grand Prix GTP uses horrible 225/55 17s all around Michelin Energys. These are not even considered all season performance radials, they are Touring radials. To expect 2 skinny underperfroming 225 width tires. Even with a fairly low final drive ration of 2.95:1, the crappy tires along with the wheight shifting backwards will not keep 280ft/lbs of torque off tap anyewhere under control and the traction control was probably delaying the torque delivery so that the tires can find purchase.
On the other hand, the Maxima is a touring car with a very low final drive of 2.44:1 and about the same amount of torque. It has Bridgestone Potenza Performance All Season tires with better grip and the same width(225/50 17). That gives it better traction on dry pavement and allows a faster initial takeoff verssu a GTP.
On the other hand the Is300 is a RWD vehicle. It aas a good final drive of 3.727:1(manual, the auto's final drive is even better at 3.909:1) giving it a decent kick off the line with less torque. Also, under hard accels, the tires gain better traction the harder you accel. That coupled with high performance slightly narrower 215/45 17s will gain even better tractino and allow better accels.
The G6 though has lackluster 225/50 17s on a 3.29:1 final drive causes pretty unhappy results. Crappy tires on pontiac's part on the G6 GT(touring something or antoher) and Grand Prix GTP cause moderate understeer and low traction on hard accels, which altough blessed with an easy to find/somewhat frgivnig limit on grip, cause results that are still to be desired. Finding a good set of Goodyear Eagle GS-D3s would improve it unbelievably.
I love people who have g6s
They think they're so fast
Until they meet my Acura TL-S. It's like they accelerate off the line
then when I'm waving "see ya" they just give up and turn away in shame.
Gotta love the pontiac conceit that comes with the car.
These days it's the world of Acura and Infinti.
They think they're so fast
Until they meet my Acura TL-S. It's like they accelerate off the line
then when I'm waving "see ya" they just give up and turn away in shame.
Gotta love the pontiac conceit that comes with the car.
These days it's the world of Acura and Infinti.
Not everyone behaves the same way. Read an earlier post of mine and you'll see that I don't claim my G6 is 'so fast'. I do claim it's a great car for it's price. I managed to get mine last year for under $20K. I didn't see any of the other cars being compared to the G6 in this thread for anywhere near that price when I was looking.
Oh I agree.
but Domestics have a tendency to waste alot of engine.
It's bang for buck I'm not disagreeing agta,
It's just 3.5L and ONLY 201/241 HP?
I mean Infiniti's 350z/g35 has 298, I just wonder what's different between american and Japanese engines.
but Domestics have a tendency to waste alot of engine.
It's bang for buck I'm not disagreeing agta,
It's just 3.5L and ONLY 201/241 HP?
I mean Infiniti's 350z/g35 has 298, I just wonder what's different between american and Japanese engines.
dont forget that his TL costs >30K
if i pulled up next to him in an SRT4 or a Cobalt SS i would burn his ass
It's nothing against anyone Dagta,
i just did not like how Pontiac marketed the car to be such a "performance" car.
Have you looked at the Dodge Neon SRT-4? That is the thing of Gods.
i just did not like how Pontiac marketed the car to be such a "performance" car.
Have you looked at the Dodge Neon SRT-4? That is the thing of Gods.
too bad it's disgustingly ugly just like the great driving evo and wrx. as a racer though, that car is great as long as you fdont take corners too fast(unless they have finally put in a limited slip diff since when they used open diffs back when it came out.)
I think the Evo and STI are very good looking cars.
And any car has problems cooling stock my friend
You can only do so much for 30k.
The g35 is my favorite though, no loss of performance with sheer luxury in the inside.
And any car has problems cooling stock my friend
You can only do so much for 30k.
The g35 is my favorite though, no loss of performance with sheer luxury in the inside.
I didn't look at the Neon. I'm a bit biased against Neons since the ones I rode in in the 90's were junk. I've heard they're a lot better now.
Marketing is always all about saying whatever you can to sell something. Remember that the G6 is short for Generation 6. It's the car that replaces the Generation 5 line which was the Grand Am line. Compared to the Grand Am, the G6 is quite a step up, in my opinion.
With most people, it's more about emotions and internal preference than about hard facts and figures. I like the way Pontiacs drive. I always have. It's not something I can write out with numbers or measurements, I just like the feel when I'm driving a Pontiac. So, I'm definitely biased.
sti and evo though are just factory tuned econoboxes when it gets down to it on the exterior. I find that it's so tall for so little width and with the overhand, seriously it looks a little too rice to me. And then, the giant wings and the poeportions, ech you know. It loks pretty decent at some angles but at most angles it's jsut too tall/narrow/lancer/impreza like. I want a sport car to look like a sport car, wide, short, screaming speed all around. The Sti and Evo and R/T4 look too much like the company's econobox lines.
I guess.
you're right about that morph.
But my TL-s, as much as it is a luxury car. Has SS-P coilovers from Tein and a Greddy exhaust.
It sounds like a skyline and turns like a ferrari.
I might get headers depending on how the car's flailing tranny holds up. Trying to assemble a project where I can get the cl 6 spd tranny in the car
but it requires pros
you're right about that morph.
But my TL-s, as much as it is a luxury car. Has SS-P coilovers from Tein and a Greddy exhaust.
It sounds like a skyline and turns like a ferrari.
I might get headers depending on how the car's flailing tranny holds up. Trying to assemble a project where I can get the cl 6 spd tranny in the car
but it requires pros
Chunkee
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DO NOT ENCOURAGE THIS MAN TO PURCHASE ANYTHING!!! HE IS IN IMPULSIVE BUYER AND NEEDS HELP>>>>
KEEP THE FRIGGIN TRUCK PAY IT OFF AND FORGET THIS STUFF. SPEND YOU TIME AND ENERGY DOING SOMETHING ELSE...how many hours have you spent doing this....think about it? really...hour upon hour upon hour...to go more into debt.
there are free consumer credit counseling places....get this under control...new things will not make it better.
all said with love
jeebers
KEEP THE FRIGGIN TRUCK PAY IT OFF AND FORGET THIS STUFF. SPEND YOU TIME AND ENERGY DOING SOMETHING ELSE...how many hours have you spent doing this....think about it? really...hour upon hour upon hour...to go more into debt.
there are free consumer credit counseling places....get this under control...new things will not make it better.
all said with love
jeebers
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For a FWD car sure......
Get behind the wheel of a sporty RWD sedan like the G35, IS, CTS, C-class or 3-series and then tell me your car turns like a Ferrari. Powering through a corner in a RWD car is an exhilerating feeling as you get the car to snap back into a straight line.
Yeah well when you get 1500 dollar shocks, it is great
i can choose the drop and stuff
now for my advans.
i can choose the drop and stuff
now for my advans.
nice. I went the cheapskate route and just bought stiffer springs for my sc. spent all my money on detailing and my weekend driver.
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