Poll: World of Warcraft vs. Everquest 2

[DanTMWTMP]

WoW makes it too easy for everyone to succeed. There's no real "downfall" in WoW. There's no real competition..it's just too happy. pvp in wow is a joke. no penalties, no rewards, just testing each other's skills.

EQ2 looks like ass. yes yes nice graphics engine, but damn, who the hell hired the modellers? They have a great engine, but the whole game looks too color-saturated. WoW is like that too, but it's done on purpose due to its style, and it looks great. EQ is supposed to look semi-realistic, and it really looks like total crap.

EA has a major grind and very party oriented. No real PVP. no open PVP system, unless you create a character in their pvp servers.

i think EQ2 is a better mmorpg and a truer mmorpg than WoW. WoW is just a bandwagonning people pleaser. People will get bored of it after a couple months. There' no challenge. you just play casually and you'll lvl and gain equipment. eventually everyone can get the high end stuff easily.

I think WoW is a better entry-lvl mmo. People who haven't tried a mmorpg yet may like WoW better just because it's just damn too easy.

A person reached the lvl cap in 2 weeks. that's ridiculous. That's waaay too easy.
If all the Eq regulars came onto WoW, then a vast majority of them will reach the lvl cap within half a month. that's stupid. where's the challenge? there's no sense of accomplishment in WoW

 

[gururu]

I havent played EQ2 but i'll say this for WOW. I think the graphics are fantastic. They obviously don't lean towards realism, they lean more towards artistic. And this is something that has made the warcraft universe so appealing. That and the humor and sarcasm. These things lend to a very pleasant and rewarding game experience.
Also I want to comment on the online connectivity issue. On my dial-up, I have experienced only periodic lag in ultra heavy combat situations. Otherwise the game is incredibly smooth and playable. I can't believe they did it. I've tried counterstrike, HL2eathmatch, and UT2k4, and none of these were enjoyable over a dial-up connection. Blizzard has done a remarkable thing. Maybe EQ2 is playable too I dunno.

WOW is funny, artistic, and offers a completely stressfree experience. Its like a vacation in Hawaii.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP

where's the challenge? there's no sense of accomplishment in WoW

its fun, which is what a game is supposed to be.

 

[darkamulets]

Tried WoW didn't like it much, no thanks for EQ2, I play Final Fantasy XI. Why isn't FFXI on the poll?

 

[CHfan4ever]

WOW addict here.

Iv been in Beta of EQ2 for 2 month, + i played 2 weeks when the game was release and got totally bored.It got incredible lifelike graphics,but when u look carefully, you realise that in eq2, they took eq1 classes, and split them to make 42 classes like.(Exemple, insteasd of having your wizard who got all the nuke-poison-disease DD spells, well they split him in two!You have a wiz who specialise into fire and ice, and the other in poison n disease.)

The ONLY thing i love about eq2 was the Opportunity.(you had to time your attack with the group)

I hate about eq2:The xp debt system(get whipe with your group and cry that is the main reason that kick me out of the game),The Booker-auction system,the way the game run on my high end machine, ),NO BEASTLORD,No teleport system compare to eq1 and PoP(naaaa they will sell you expenasion pack with them anyway, we dont know that dont we?)ONLY 4 CARACTERS WE CAN CREATE ON ALL THE SERVERS(but hey! pay 21.99 per month and create 8 caracters!!! what a bargain!! )

Ok im finish, why u made me think about eq2 lol, You just remind me why i hate this fvckin game that much.I played eq1 for 4 years, and eq2 is not even half as good as eq1.

Wow its simple:They took all the part of all the mmorpg that exist(the good parts ) , add their own contents,and create the best mmorpg ever.

I have yet to see one thing that bug me in WoW( ok maybe some lag in Ironforge in the Auction House and Mail system during a saturday on a heavy crowded server, but that easy to live with)Its nothing comparable to the lags i was experiencing in eq2.

EQ2 BLOW.Period.The programmers are not the same one of EQ1( Btw if you dont know where they are those programmer well they are programming a game call VANGUARD http://www.vanguardsoh.com/ ).They took new programmers, use the eq license and create one of the most boring mmorpg ever.

ANyway, ill stop now, and go play Wow( Tuesday server maintenance grrrr hope its back soon! )

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: darkamulets
Tried WoW didn't like it much, no thanks for EQ2, I play Final Fantasy XI. Why isn't FFXI on the poll?

my friends tried FFXI, and i really liked the party system where you have to do timely kills/attacks to gain the maximum effieciency. Unfortunately, a lot of north american players screwed up since they'd never follow the system. I heard that FFXI community was among the worse out of any mmorpg since the North american players basically screwed it over. A few NA players just hung out w/ the japanese players since they were the only ones that'd follow that system (renque (sp?) system?)


But FFXI is lacking in one major thing. wtf no pvp?!!??!
screw that.

it has an innovative party system (but nowadays i hear that people spend hours just waiting for a party), and a great economy system ( buy/sell/auction system).

but no pvp!? WTF...

 

[Vortex22]

I bet most of the people in here saying that WOW is too easy have not experienced the high end instance and Boss content. For example, that huge dragon Onixya... Two full raids of lvl 60's in beta (thats 80 people) took her on and got SLAUGHTERED. They even had a contest that rewarded the first group to kill the dragon, but NO ONE could do it. And NO ONE has done it yet. Blizzard says that they are adding many more bosses like that one to the end game.

And as far as PvP goes, it is not fully implemented yet. Check out the battlegrounds preview on the WOW homepage to see what PvP will eventually be like: capturable towns, graveyards, guard posts. Control of seige vehicles, and an honor system that punishes high levels for killing lower lvls unprovoked, but rewards for participating in balanced PvP.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Haven't played EQ2, but I freiking LOVE World of Warcraft. This is perhaps the best game I have ever played.



PS, there's a comparison type review on gamespy comparing the two games for anyon who can't make up their mind between the two. http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/572/572447p1.html

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
WoW makes it too easy for everyone to succeed. There's no real "downfall" in WoW. There's no real competition..it's just too happy. pvp in wow is a joke. no penalties, no rewards, just testing each other's skills.

EQ2 looks like ass. yes yes nice graphics engine, but damn, who the hell hired the modellers? They have a great engine, but the whole game looks too color-saturated. WoW is like that too, but it's done on purpose due to its style, and it looks great. EQ is supposed to look semi-realistic, and it really looks like total crap.

EA has a major grind and very party oriented. No real PVP. no open PVP system, unless you create a character in their pvp servers.

i think EQ2 is a better mmorpg and a truer mmorpg than WoW. WoW is just a bandwagonning people pleaser. People will get bored of it after a couple months. There' no challenge. you just play casually and you'll lvl and gain equipment. eventually everyone can get the high end stuff easily.

I think WoW is a better entry-lvl mmo. People who haven't tried a mmorpg yet may like WoW better just because it's just damn too easy.

A person reached the lvl cap in 2 weeks. that's ridiculous. That's waaay too easy.
If all the Eq regulars came onto WoW, then a vast majority of them will reach the lvl cap within half a month. that's stupid. where's the challenge? there's no sense of accomplishment in WoW

I played EQ for 4 years, the genre is nothing new to me - WoW is simply the better game, although in its prime EQ probably beat it (it's hard to say for sure because there's so much nostalgia involved). You must not have tried WoW at all; I play a LOT and am level 36 after 3 weeks. I can't comprehend someone reaching 60 in 6-8 weeks, much less 2, though perhaps someone found & used an exploit to do it...? I'm not wandering around dazed, exploring, levelling inefficiently and just enjoying a new experience like I did in EQ either, I'm grinding hardcore.

And EQ2's engine isn't nice, it's a model of inefficency and buggy coding.

 

[gururu]

leveling slows up to about a level/day gaming session (~4-6 hrs) once you get to 30 or so. Can't imagine getting to 60 in 2 weeks lol. But who's to say 60 will be the eventual cap. I'm sure Blizzard will PROVIDE more incentive to keep playing, particularly because its how they are making profit!

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: Vortex22
I bet most of the people in here saying that WOW is too easy have not experienced the high end instance and Boss content. For example, that huge dragon Onixya... Two full raids of lvl 60's in beta (thats 80 people) took her on and got SLAUGHTERED. They even had a contest that rewarded the first group to kill the dragon, but NO ONE could do it. And NO ONE has done it yet. Blizzard says that they are adding many more bosses like that one to the end game.

And as far as PvP goes, it is not fully implemented yet. Check out the battlegrounds preview on the WOW homepage to see what PvP will eventually be like: capturable towns, graveyards, guard posts. Control of seige vehicles, and an honor system that punishes high levels for killing lower lvls unprovoked, but rewards for participating in balanced PvP.

those pvp suggestions came from the blizzard korea msg boards. Basically it's a direct rip from what is already inplace in games like myths of soma, lineage, lineage2, RFonline, etc.

But don't get me wrong, WoW is successful for a real good reason. They have a ton of users, and that's proof of how good and how great WoW can get. I'm looking foward to what Blizzard can do with their first mmorpg.

as for hard bosses....ehh

in lineage2, it took an avg hardcore player a bit over a year (hardcore as in they play lineage2 all day long, and do nothing else but sleep) to reach to lvl cap. The hardest boss in the game has yet to be beaten. One alliance organized all the highest lvl's in the whole server (approx 500+ people) to try to kill this boss. Also, everyone of those players have to go through a series of quests to even get to the boss.

even w/ a highly organized effort, it couldn't be brought down, although they did get close.

The most profitable castle in lineage2 hasn't been even taken over yet because the npc's in it are too hard.

There are many raid bosses in Lineage2, and it takes multiple full parties in a coordinated effort to take them out. Even if a group of people does manage to take a raidboss out, the chance of the boss dropping something good is low. So a vast majority of them are failed attempts at reward.

At high lvls in lineage2, it takes about 1-2 days to gain a couple percentage of a lvl. But it takes just one death to set you back a couple days worth of lvl'ing, with a chance of dropping your equipment (which took weeks and weeks to gain money to finally afford them).

There's not many people who are successful in this game. It's challenging, and there's open PVP where you can get killed anytime, anywhere. The game is pretty intense.


EDIT: Gurck, i was in WoW's open beta

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
WoW makes it too easy for everyone to succeed. There's no real "downfall" in WoW. There's no real competition..it's just too happy. pvp in wow is a joke. no penalties, no rewards, just testing each other's skills.

EQ2 looks like ass. yes yes nice graphics engine, but damn, who the hell hired the modellers? They have a great engine, but the whole game looks too color-saturated. WoW is like that too, but it's done on purpose due to its style, and it looks great. EQ is supposed to look semi-realistic, and it really looks like total crap.

EA has a major grind and very party oriented. No real PVP. no open PVP system, unless you create a character in their pvp servers.

i think EQ2 is a better mmorpg and a truer mmorpg than WoW. WoW is just a bandwagonning people pleaser. People will get bored of it after a couple months. There' no challenge. you just play casually and you'll lvl and gain equipment. eventually everyone can get the high end stuff easily.

I think WoW is a better entry-lvl mmo. People who haven't tried a mmorpg yet may like WoW better just because it's just damn too easy.

A person reached the lvl cap in 2 weeks. that's ridiculous. That's waaay too easy.
If all the Eq regulars came onto WoW, then a vast majority of them will reach the lvl cap within half a month. that's stupid. where's the challenge? there's no sense of accomplishment in WoW

I played EQ for 4 years, the genre is nothing new to me - WoW is simply the better game, although in its prime EQ probably beat it (it's hard to say for sure because there's so much nostalgia involved). You must not have tried WoW at all; I play a LOT and am level 36 after 3 weeks. I can't comprehend someone reaching 60 in 6-8 weeks, much less 2, though perhaps someone found & used an exploit to do it...? I'm not wandering around dazed, exploring, levelling inefficiently and just enjoying a new experience like I did in EQ either, I'm grinding hardcore.

And EQ2's engine isn't nice, it's a model of inefficency and buggy coding.

i agree w/ EQ2's graphics. i wasn't impressed at all by it.
as for lvl 60 guy:
http://wow.warcraftstrategy.co...hp?newsid=914&sid=
it took him a week and a half.


the original thread on the official WoW forums is no longer there, but he had screenshots and all

the same server that crazy guy was on...there's quite a bit of hardcore people who reached 60 on the first week of december

 

[Gurck]

You'll just have to trust those of us who play the game and are telling you it's not possible without botting or otherwise exploiting the game.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

i've played lineage2, and i thought it was impossible for the other people who reached crazy levels too quickly. Then someone taught me how to powerlvl. People who started in closedbeta and continued before a wipe knows where to hunt and what to hunt.

When i first started lineage2 in korea, i reached lvl 20 in 5 days, and 36 in 2 months. After i saw someone powerlvl and I started to powerlvl myself, (by the time US release) I reached lvl 20 in 15 hours, and lvl 36 in 3 days (playing at least 14 hours a day). If you know what to do and just do it w/o doing anything else but play and sleep, then it makes a world of difference. i'm sure those who reached lvl 60 quickly knew what to hunt and where to hunt beforehand. They didn't have to go through the trial and error process.

oh and to powerlvl, you HAVE TO MUTE ALL CHAT. chatting in an mmorpg while powerlvling is very distracting. you can double the time you lvl by not talking to anyone.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
i've played lineage2, and i thought it was impossible for the other people who reached crazy levels too quickly. Then someone taught me how to powerlvl. People who started in closedbeta and continued before a wipe knows where to hunt and what to hunt.

When i first started lineage2 in korea, i reached lvl 20 in 5 days, and 36 in 2 months. After i saw someone powerlvl and I taught myself to powerlvl, (by the time US release) I reached lvl 20 in 15 hours, and lvl 36 in 3 days (playing at least 14 hours a day). If you know what to do and just do it w/o doing anything else but play and sleep, then it makes a world of difference. i'm sure those who reached lvl 60 quickly knew what to hunt and where to hunt beforehand. They didn't have to go through the trial and error process.

oh and to powerlvl, you HAVE TO MUTE ALL CHAT. chatting in an mmorpg while powerlvling is very distracting. you can double the time you lvl by not talking to anyone.

:roll: Seriously, you haven't even played the game and you're trying to tell those who have about it? I play a lot and know my way around the game & the genre. Getting 60 in a month, much less a week and a half, is not possible if playing by the rules. End of discussion.

 

[Bateluer]

These polls are really pretty sad. EQ2 is the better game hands down. There is so much more depth and story in EQ2 than the wanton PvP combat of WoW. Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the decline of PC Gaming.

I guess a lot of people just want to do wanton killing . . .I need to found my own gaming studio, dedicated to the development of games with depth, originality, story, plot, dialogue, and character development.

 

[apac]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
i've played lineage2, and i thought it was impossible for the other people who reached crazy levels too quickly. Then someone taught me how to powerlvl. People who started in closedbeta and continued before a wipe knows where to hunt and what to hunt.

When i first started lineage2 in korea, i reached lvl 20 in 5 days, and 36 in 2 months. After i saw someone powerlvl and I started to powerlvl myself, (by the time US release) I reached lvl 20 in 15 hours, and lvl 36 in 3 days (playing at least 14 hours a day). If you know what to do and just do it w/o doing anything else but play and sleep, then it makes a world of difference. i'm sure those who reached lvl 60 quickly knew what to hunt and where to hunt beforehand. They didn't have to go through the trial and error process.

oh and to powerlvl, you HAVE TO MUTE ALL CHAT. chatting in an mmorpg while powerlvling is very distracting. you can double the time you lvl by not talking to anyone.

OK Mr. lives-in-his-moms-basement-afraid-of-the-sunlight

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: apac

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
i've played lineage2, and i thought it was impossible for the other people who reached crazy levels too quickly. Then someone taught me how to powerlvl. People who started in closedbeta and continued before a wipe knows where to hunt and what to hunt.

When i first started lineage2 in korea, i reached lvl 20 in 5 days, and 36 in 2 months. After i saw someone powerlvl and I started to powerlvl myself, (by the time US release) I reached lvl 20 in 15 hours, and lvl 36 in 3 days (playing at least 14 hours a day). If you know what to do and just do it w/o doing anything else but play and sleep, then it makes a world of difference. i'm sure those who reached lvl 60 quickly knew what to hunt and where to hunt beforehand. They didn't have to go through the trial and error process.

oh and to powerlvl, you HAVE TO MUTE ALL CHAT. chatting in an mmorpg while powerlvling is very distracting. you can double the time you lvl by not talking to anyone.

OK Mr. lives-in-his-moms-basement-afraid-of-the-sunlight

rofl, i only did that for a week during summer break. I'm nowherenear like those crazy people. I'm just stating that it' s possible.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
These polls are really pretty sad. EQ2 is the better game hands down. There is so much more depth and story in EQ2 than the wanton PvP combat of WoW. Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the decline of PC Gaming.

I guess a lot of people just want to do wanton killing . . .I need to found my own gaming studio, dedicated to the development of games with depth, originality, story, plot, dialogue, and character development.

Pretty laughable opinion, though of course you have the right to it. If you want to beef it up a bit, please comment on my above post about Sony & EQ. Personally, I'd herald a phenomenally buggy game with a storyline only a child could like, done by a company which rapes its customer base as the end of PC gaming... but that's me.

Btw, since you're obviously not aware of the fact, WoW has a great deal of non-PvP servers. If you'd like to put down a game for being mostly or all about PvP, look to DAoC - WoW isn't it.

 

[Ausm]

WOW blows away EQ2



Ausm

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Bateluer
These polls are really pretty sad. EQ2 is the better game hands down. There is so much more depth and story in EQ2 than the wanton PvP combat of WoW. Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the decline of PC Gaming.

I guess a lot of people just want to do wanton killing . . .I need to found my own gaming studio, dedicated to the development of games with depth, originality, story, plot, dialogue, and character development.

Pretty laughable opinion, though of course you have the right to it. If you want to beef it up a bit, please comment on my above post about Sony & EQ. Personally, I'd herald a phenomenally buggy game with a storyline only a child could like, done by a company which rapes its customer base as the end of PC gaming... but that's me.

Btw, since you're obviously not aware of the fact, WoW has a great deal of non-PvP servers. If you'd like to put down a game for being mostly or all about PvP, look to DAoC - WoW isn't it.

I've had no problems with SOny customer service. The only time I had to submit a ticket in game was for a minor bug that cropped up during crafting that resulted in a stack of refreshing whiskey disappearing. About an hour after I submitted the ticket, the CSR responded, investigated, and restored no only the stack of whiskey, but the materials and fuel necessary to make it.

Bugs? There's very few bugs in EQ2. Most of the patches that have come out have just adjusted game balance.

Story a child could like? Obviously, you never took the opportunity to talk to any NPCs or read any of the books in the libraries and/or wizard's towers.

I don't understand the hostility towards EQ2's graphics either. They waste any other MMO out there, hands down. Character's eyes move, blink, you can see breathing, foot prints, its insane. If you turn everything up, then the game becomes extremely choppy. This is true. However, you should recall that the game was, wisely, designed with future hardware in mind. This ensures the game's visual longevity. WoW has good visuals too . . .its just that every NE Hunter or Orc Warrior looks exactly the same as any other NE Hunter or Orc Warrior. In EQ2, you don't see identical characters. The character creation process allows an unrivaled customization of your character. WoW . . . WoW doesn't have a character creation process beyond selecting gender, race, and class . . .

As DanTMWTMP said, WoW is an entry level MMO. There's no point, its too easy. At least in Shadowbane, another fast leveling game, your incentive to get high level was the seige warfare. WoW, last I heard, has no seige warfare battles with hundreds of people vying for control of a PLAYER constructed city.

EQ2 is very group oriented, as opposed to the solo focus of WoW. Its possible to level solo with any combat class in EQ2, but progression will be extremely slow beyond level 18 or so. The crafting classes are dependent on other crafting classes for certain goods. For example, an armor smith needs alchemists to make the fuels and liquid components for armor. The system is designed to make you rely on other players. This is a good thing, it keeps the community alive and varied. Unlike other MMOs, WoW included, where only a handful or classes are worth their salt.

Every combat class in EQ2 has a purpose and a use. There are no worthless classes. I play a level 22 monk/22 provisioner right now. I can serve the party as a tank, soaking the damage while the mages beat the target into the dirt. Or, if we lack the mages, I can deal a great deal of damage as a monk to the target myself, still keeping aggro. Or, if there is a defensive oriented tank class, say a Paladin, then the paladin keeps the aggro on him with his high defensive rating, and I and the mages apply the whuppin'
Rangers are very useful when your hunting a specific type of creature for quests, where you just need to kill them, harvest them, or talk to them, their tracking ability is invaluable. I once spent a good hour wandering around Windspear village looking for a patroling guard. If it hadn't been for a ranger I bumped into, I'd never have found him.

EQ2 is a more heavy weight MMO. WoW is a lightweight. I'd like to say that it will fade and people will migrate away, but people are still playing Diablo 2. A game with only the lightest fluff for story and the most mindlessly repetittive gameplay ever conceived. Like I sad, the decline of PC Gaming.

Developers need to stop cantering to the lowest common denominator. Stop being people pleasers.

 

[KillyKillall]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

EQ2 is a more heavy weight MMO. WoW is a lightweight. I'd like to say that it will fade and people will migrate away, but people are still playing Diablo 2. A game with only the lightest fluff for story and the most mindlessly repetittive gameplay ever conceived. Like I sad, the decline of PC Gaming.

Developers need to stop cantering to the lowest common denominator. Stop being people pleasers.

HERE HERE

 

[Gurck]

No hostility toward EQ2's graphics here, I'll admit they're better. On the other hand, Blizzard's engine is much more efficient, and if they wanted WoW to look like EQ2 they could have done so with lower system requirements. Should the need arise in the future, looks can be upgraded - Sony did it with EQ (one of the few changes, even minor ones, that they didn't somehow charge money for). WoW looks good on today's hardware, and not only the $400+ variety. I'm glad to hear your experience with Sony's CS was a good one, but you're in the minority on that. Most of even those who bash WoW and fellate Sony admit their CS is horrendous.

You're wrong about WoW on a few counts, if you haven't played it that's fine - but don't talk about it as though you have. Upon character creation you have the ability to choose your skin color and various facial features, so you're dead-wrong in saying that it's race class & gender only.

Agreed on crafting.

On needing each & every class, it's a good thing in theory, but in practice it just doesn't work - people have real lives, and need to leave groups, often without much warning. WoW is nice in that the classes are quite varied, yet there's no role which only one can play. I recall a great deal of EQ groups ending when the cleric had to log, though granted the heals given to druids & shamans went a way toward countering this, though a bit late in the game's life. WoW is extensively group oriented; just because you can solo doesn't mean there's no incentive to group; rather, elite quests (those which require a group) offer a fun experience and excellent loot. There are numerous ones available, as I've stated my quest log is generally full or close to it, and ~2/3 are usually elite.

To be honest, if it were anyone but Sony, I'd pick up EQ2 no problem. It's just that I've watched them destroy EQ firsthand, I've experienced being told "too bad" by customer service - if any reply is even given, I've watched them do all the other things I've described and let game-changing bugs go unfixed for months at a time... Screw me once, shame on you - screw me twice, shame on me.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Hardcore

Graphics.. WOW, hands down. Eq2 is not visually appealing, too dark, not exciting. Wow is visually stunning at every different area.

LOLOLOL EQ2 has MUCH better graphics than WoW, not only in environment, but also in character customizations, equipment variety, number of mob graphics, and so on. The only downside to this is how hardware dependent the game is. But i like building a char and actually having some control over how they look.

Interface. Wow is NICER and easier, and better laid out. EQ2 is decent, but not as nice.

I find EQ2 interface much better, because you can customize EVERY aspect of it.

EQ2s graphics is pure sh1t even with a top notch cpu... runs like ass and doesnt look all that good at all..
WoW is a beautiful game great fantastic grafics... far superior creature animations far superior character animations and NO FREAKING INSTANCED TOWNS..

Do you ever take the time to look down and around?
the zones in EQ2 are plain and repetitive even on max settings...
in WoW every area is DRAMATICALLY different going from tundra to jungle to volcanic wastelands to Pine forests.. ALL ARE ALIVE!.. birds flying squirrels in the trees on the ground.. deer rabbits and other wildlife that arnt even real mobs but can still be interacted with...
this is on top the Mobs that there...
not many games make me feel im in a world the way WoW does at times..
and I played EQ2 to level 30 in beta and I have a fantasic game system that is top notch...
the game just flat out sucks..
EQ1 was a much better game... EQ2 cannot live up to the hype.. its a bad game....


EQ2 is such a POS they cant even have more than 2 towns.. and then even THOSE are isntanced and heavily zoned...
wtf..
WoW you never have to zone except into an instance dungeon or when crossing to the other continant..

WoW can support hundreds of characters one one screen with 0 slow down on my system all fighting and casting spells...
in EQ2 10 people in 1 area casting spells was lagfest...

its obvious the EQ2 people here if they played wow at all didnt play very long at all..
becasue every single one of thier complaints re shot to hell instantly...

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
WoW makes it too easy for everyone to succeed. There's no real "downfall" in WoW. There's no real competition..it's just too happy. pvp in wow is a joke. no penalties, no rewards, just testing each other's skills.

EQ2 looks like ass. yes yes nice graphics engine, but damn, who the hell hired the modellers? They have a great engine, but the whole game looks too color-saturated. WoW is like that too, but it's done on purpose due to its style, and it looks great. EQ is supposed to look semi-realistic, and it really looks like total crap.

EA has a major grind and very party oriented. No real PVP. no open PVP system, unless you create a character in their pvp servers.

i think EQ2 is a better mmorpg and a truer mmorpg than WoW. WoW is just a bandwagonning people pleaser. People will get bored of it after a couple months. There' no challenge. you just play casually and you'll lvl and gain equipment. eventually everyone can get the high end stuff easily.

I think WoW is a better entry-lvl mmo. People who haven't tried a mmorpg yet may like WoW better just because it's just damn too easy.

A person reached the lvl cap in 2 weeks. that's ridiculous. That's waaay too easy.
If all the Eq regulars came onto WoW, then a vast majority of them will reach the lvl cap within half a month. that's stupid. where's the challenge? there's no sense of accomplishment in WoW

Well Dan.. being that you have 0 clue about wow you really should keep your oppiinions to yourself..
97% of the people playing WoW are hardcore MMO players from EQ1 DAOC SB UO and L2..
the 1-60 game is NOTHING it is not supposed to be the end game.. just the beginning...
this is a PVP game from the ground up.. they were rushed out the door before the PVP system was ready... it is coming and it is a MAJOR part of the game...
battlegrounds have thier own levels and vets will have amazing equipment that are only availible from winning PVP...
then there are the HERO levels that were announced in beta and were also not nready for the rushed release of WoW..
hero levels are only for the elite according to blizzard as only the most dedicated players will get there...

this is all before even the first expansion.... there is MORE than enough uber content to keep even farming uber guilds at this time from being bored..
my guild is literally all L45-60 with most players (35 out of 44 members being L57-60)
we are doing Black Rock Dephs and Spire and workign towards Onoxia raids when the rest of the guild makes 60..
we are also a PVP guild the rason we play WoW is becasue the classes are great with very good balance where it comes down to skill 97% of the time...
ganking is great and fun open PVP is very welcome and adds even more of a challenge.

Blizzard has still not released 2 L60 areas that are coming... and there are other stuff on the way too...

the reason people are blowing through content and levels so fast is half the peeps that are 60 came from EQ1 and L2 and they know this game inside and out as they were alpha and beta players... the far average is still l30-40 on most servers the top players still have about 10-15- days played at L60 now...

I was one of the very first L50s in EQ and it didnt take me that much longer to get my first L50 even back then...
my char had i think it was 20 days played at 50...
5 years later when i left EQ I could make an l65 char in under 8 days played...

its not that the games are getting easier its that players are getting faster....
but the problem is if you adjust the game for those select few you end up with a game like L2 that even those elite peeps end up hating casue the average joe they like to kill never gets that high...
and suffers from low subscription rate as L2 and FFX does in the USA..

Im 45 and my levels are still taking me anywhere from 7-12 hours per level now depending on quests and if I have to grind or quest through them...
thats pretty slow leveling.. I was much faster going through 45 in eq1 than I am in WoW so far... 6 hours in a good exp group in Cazic thule you could get through 45 in EQ1...

anyway you dont have a clue what you are talking about so dont...