Poll: Who is to blame for Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

[First]

I am a "partisan hack"

This should be your signature.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

I'm pretty surprised by the numbers in this poll... Either some people do a pretty good job defending Israel's point, or that the ATPN is much less Liberal leaning than I thought

You, like IHV both make the mistake of believing this is a left versus right issue which it is not. I'm about as left as they come and I'm very much pro Isreal on this issue.

Where you guys ever got the idea that liberals are pro islam/anti Isreal I can't imagine. I guess your overzealous hatred of anything LEFT has you conditioned to think anything you believe must be the opposite of those damn libs

 

[cubby1223]

Where is the option for "outside influences who believe there is a magic wand that can be waved to solve all the world's problems"?

 

[SamurAchzar]

You, like IHV both make the mistake of believing this is a left versus right issue which it is not. I'm about as left as they come and I'm very much pro Isreal on this issue.

Where you guys ever got the idea that liberals are pro islam/anti Isreal I can't imagine. I guess your overzealous hatred of anything LEFT has you conditioned to think anything you believe must be the opposite of those damn libs

Neither the extreme left or the extreme right (Stormfront material, you know) are positive towards Israel. However 99% of the westerners, as individuals or as countries, who support Islam (regardless of how actively they do it) come from the left. Blame leftists tendencies towards multiculturalism and self-hatred; some of these guys see in Israel a mirror of a US, the same US they think isn't tolerant enough, isn't open enough and solves everything with power.

The Jewish identity by far favors the left, but Zionism, on its imposed war with Islam, is much more comfortable among the right. Many Liberals today side with the Muslims just to tell their own societies and the mainstream media "fuck you", without understanding that they are making a pact with the devil.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Yeah the Israeli Air Force/Navy wears uniforms. I guess they can't be called "terrorists" because of that, even if some of their actions are indistinguishable from the actions of the Arab "terrorists".

Israel doesn't have to rely on explosive belts etc. They have nice F16/F15 with cluster bombs, supplied by the US taxpayer to make their points.

My answer to the poll is that they are all F***ing nuts. Jews were labeled the "terrorists" from late 1800's through 1947 and since 1947 Arabs/Palestinians have been labeled the "terrorists".

Keep in mind that the label "terrorist" has only to do with the political view of the day. I am sure that King George III and his ministers would have labeled the American revolutionaries "terrorists" in 1760-1790 because they skulked behind trees with rifles and sniped at the redcoat columns and refused battle in an open field as the Europeans of the day were used to. The American tactics were completely foreign and "unfair" to the poor British redcoats hence the Americans were "terrorists". Of course when the VC skulked behind trees with rifles and sniped at the American columns they were the "terrorists".

To solve a conflict like this both sides need to give. In this case both sides somehow think they can gain some measure of advantage over the other and hence the conflict continues.

actually both sides have not given...
It has for the most part be the israeli`s gi9ving and giving and giving.....

Your attempt at giving a history lesson is so rediculously funny...your one igmorant person...rofl

 

[rchiu]

OP, you should add another option. Forces behind Israel and Palestinian - Western countries for putting Israel there and supply them with weapons. Middle Eastern countries fighting Israel using Palestine as a proxy/sacrificial lamb. Islamic extremist using religion as tool for their political gains. Without bunch of outside forces, the situation wouldn't been so bad today, correction-there may not been an issue today.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Just look at how Isreal has improved its land and how the Palestinians have spent all their time trying to destroy Isreal. Who has the better ideas?

You have to wonder. If the Palestinians and the Arabs hadn't attempted mass genocide in 1948 and if the Palestinians would focus more on trying to improve their position instead of firing off rockets from Gaza, would they have a higher standard of living today? Here are some interesting quotes from this article:

Turmoil in Gaza: What Can Israel Do to Restore Order?

When the Jews evacuated Gaza, they left hundreds of beautiful homes behind. The Gazans destroyed them. They were going to build highrises instead. In the more than two years since the Israelis left, not a single brick has been laid. The Gazans destroyed and plundered the sophisticated and fully computerized greenhouse installations that the Jews had left behind. They were worth millions of dollars, could have produced food for the residents and millions of dollars in yearly revenue for the impoverished territory.

For Israelis, the abandonment of Gaza was also a trial balloon to assess what the relationship with a nascent Palestinian state would be. They got a quick and decisive answer. Almost from the very first day of their “liberation,” the Gazans launched daily rocket attacks on Israel.

In the meantime, Israel responds with pinpoint volleys on the launching pads of those rockets. But they are easily movable and purposely located in heavily populated neighborhoods. It is thanks only to Israeli respect for human life that tens of thousands of Gazans have not perished in Israel’s response to those barrages. We must ask ourselves what our country would do if Mexico were to launch thousands of rockets into San Diego. The answer is perfectly clear: We would retaliate in full force.

The situation in Gaza is indeed miserable. That is not the fault of the Israelis, but the fault of the Gazans/Palestinians themselves. In 1948, the UN proposed that “Palestine” be divided into an Arab and into a Jewish sector, with Jerusalem becoming an “internationalized” city. The Jews reluctantly accepted this partition plan. The Arabs rejected it out of hand and invaded the newly-born Jewish state with the armies of six nations. Had the Arabs accepted the partition plan or any of the many Israeli offers of conciliation, they would now have had their own state for sixty years and would enjoy prosperity and economic success just as Israel. Instead, focused exclusively on the destruction of Israel and the killing of the hated Jews, Gazans are living in misery, totally depending on the dole of Israel and on the support of the world.

 

[Noobtastic]

You exactly make my point. Palestinians are "terrorists" so Israel can do whatever it wants to them. "Terrorists" have no rights. Your political persuasion has labeled which side is called "terrorists"

palestinians are terrorists because they are terrorists.

israel does not do whatever it wants to them. in fact, israel's anti-terror policies compare rather favorably to all other nations involved in the "war on terror."

name me a country israel should try to emulate? how should israel deal with suicide bombers?

peace through strength. terrorism is down. violence is down.

notice how israel isn't bombing the west bank.

why? because the west bank is mostly free of terrorism.

Dead is dead whether you are killed by a 2000 lb bomb or by an explosive belt. Humans kill each other by the means they have available, justifying it by their own political view. Israel happens to have modern weapons while the Palestinians are stuck using explosive belts. Both factions are pursuing their political objectives, or maybe their leader's political objectives. The means available to the two sides are quite different.

talk about warped morality. dead is dead. a dead homicidal muslim is not the same as a dead jew. 6 million jews died in the holocaust, 4 million german nazis died in wwii.

are both equals? no. israel's ROE is more than consistent with the ROE of its critics. palestinians know israel does their best to minimize casualties or else they would make such an effort to inflate them.

why else does hamas hide in hospitals, why else does hezbollah shoot near protected areas?

why do you think hezbollah shot rockets by UN aid centers, after the IDF agreed with the UNIFIL that it would be a protected zone where lebanese could flee to?

because hezbollah wanted a reaction, and knew the left would eat it up.

if the media actually reported the truth, the palestinians would no longer be inclined to use civilians as shields because it wouldnt be good for business.

but as long as idiots like yourself confuse the aggressor and the victim...the war will keep going.

just for you.

it's all about the media.

this conflict is an industry. the books, the conferences, the univerisities, aid groups...billions annually.

Your viewpoint reminds me of the response to Al Qaida or some such group killing people with swords. Meanwhile the US is killing people with high explosive and burning phosphorus. Result is the same to the individual and family, dead is dead.

dead is dead.

is there a difference between dead al-qaeda and 3,000 dead american civilians?

apparently not.

when you're thousands of miles away living in a liberal home, it's easy to get stuck in fairy land.

but when your india, israel, iraq, pakistan...etc, and actually have a morbid fear of homicidal muslims, the whole "death = terrorism" goes right out the window.

when YOUR FAMILY is in danger, when your LIFE is threatened with rockets, what do you do?

uh?

lemme know.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Neither the extreme left or the extreme right (Stormfront material, you know) are positive towards Israel. However 99% of the westerners, as individuals or as countries, who support Islam (regardless of how actively they do it) come from the left. Blame leftists tendencies towards multiculturalism and self-hatred; some of these guys see in Israel a mirror of a US, the same US they think isn't tolerant enough, isn't open enough and solves everything with power.

The Jewish identity by far favors the left, but Zionism, on its imposed war with Islam, is much more comfortable among the right. Many Liberals today side with the Muslims just to tell their own societies and the mainstream media "fuck you", without understanding that they are making a pact with the devil.

It truly is amazing that the Left is so sympathetic to Arabs and Islam. The Leftists are, in essence, condoning the subjugation of women, religious government, and the stoning murder or raped girls under Sharia Law such as the recent stoning murder of 13 year old Aisho Ibrahim Dhuhulow.

(Did anyone ever post about the stoning murder of this 13 year old girl? It happened in October 2008 and a search for "Aisho" didn't turn up anything. I think it helps people understand the true nature of Islam, the "religion of peace".)

 

[nageov3t]

You, like IHV both make the mistake of believing this is a left versus right issue which it is not. I'm about as left as they come and I'm very much pro Isreal on this issue.

Where you guys ever got the idea that liberals are pro islam/anti Isreal I can't imagine. I guess your overzealous hatred of anything LEFT has you conditioned to think anything you believe must be the opposite of those damn libs

idk, it seems to me like the anti-Israel brigade is almost entirely made up of the extreme left along with a smattering of libertarians who would be opposed to any US foreign involvement whatsoever, regardless of the situation.

 

[Noobtastic]

It truly is amazing that the Left is so sympathetic to Arabs and Islam. The Leftists are, in essence, condoning the subjugation of women, religious government, and the stoning murder or raped girls under Sharia Law such as the recent stoning murder of 13 year old Aisho Ibrahim Dhuhulow.

(Did anyone ever post about the stoning murder of this 13 year old girl? It happened in October 2008 and a search for "Aisho" didn't turn up anything. I think it helps people understand the true nature of Islam, the "religion of peace".)

the Left doesn't care about human rights. Not only do they single out Israel, but they VICTIMIZE THE ARAB STATES!

It is pathetic.

And then they accuse anyone who challenges them of bigotry, racism, blah blah blah.

The arab world is a cesspool. egypt, lebanon, syria, sudan, algeria, all pathetic.

no, their obsession is with the palestinians, the most coddled and cherried victims-in-chief ever to exist, while victims of islamic terrorism get squat.

arab-sponsored genocide in darfur continues unabated because the left hijackes the UN tow age lawfare against israel.

sudan was almost admitted into the UN human rights council...LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

it's just disgusting how muslims treat each other, and how indifferent the left is. they spend all their days bitching and whining about the jewish state, and then say the muslim insanity is because of israel's policies towards the palestinians.

what isn't israel responsible for?

in another thread one poster had the audacity to rationalize the systematic cleansing of the arab world's jews.

just as they cleansed the kurds, dinkas, armenians, assyrians...their hatred knows no bounds.

 

[Red Dawn]

the Left doesn't care about human rights. Not only do they single out Israel, but they VICTIMIZE THE ARAB STATES!

It is pathetic.

And then they accuse anyone who challenges them of bigotry, racism, blah blah blah.

The arab world is a cesspool. egypt, lebanon, syria, sudan, algeria, all pathetic.

no, their obsession is with the palestinians, the most coddled and cherried victims-in-chief ever to exist, while victims of islamic terrorism get squat.

arab-sponsored genocide in darfur continues unabated because the left hijackes the UN tow age lawfare against israel.

sudan was almost admitted into the UN human rights council...LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

it's just disgusting how muslims treat each other, and how indifferent the left is. they spend all their days bitching and whining about the jewish state, and then say the muslim insanity is because of israel's policies towards the palestinians.

what isn't israel responsible for?

in another thread one poster had the audacity to rationalize the systematic cleansing of the arab world's jews.

just as they cleansed the kurds, dinkas, armenians, assyrians...their hatred knows no bounds.

Apperantly yours doesn't either

 

[zsdersw]

"The killer in me is the killer in you."

 

[Atreus21]

You, like IHV both make the mistake of believing this is a left versus right issue which it is not. I'm about as left as they come and I'm very much pro Isreal on this issue.

Where you guys ever got the idea that liberals are pro islam/anti Isreal I can't imagine. I guess your overzealous hatred of anything LEFT has you conditioned to think anything you believe must be the opposite of those damn libs

You've changed my impression of you.

 

[tincart]

Unclear as to why many people think that not supporting Israel involves "supporting Islam." Very strange.

 

[Noobtastic]

Apperantly yours doesn't either

What do I hate Red Dawn?

Uh?

Terrorism?

Sorry.

 

[Red Dawn]

What do I hate Red Dawn?

Uh?

Terrorism?

Sorry.

Well lets see, according to your posts over the last few days you hate Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, Europeans, Jews that don't support Zionism, Liberals, Leftists and just about anybody that doesn't think Israels shit doesn't stink. Yeah that about covers it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Well lets see, according to your posts over the last few days you hate Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, Europeans, Jews that don't support Zionism, Liberals, Leftists and just about anybody that doesn't think Israels shit doesn't stink. Yeah that about covers it.

But what is sad to me is that his hate for others is his hate for himself and because he doesn't realize that he really seeks his own self destruction, he's not a good person to have on your team or in his case the Jewish team. He is his own worst enemy just like Hitler was. The madness of hate leads inevitably to a bullet in your own brain or some such.

 

[Doboji]

But what is sad to me is that his hate for others is his hate for himself and because he doesn't realize that he really seeks his own self destruction, he's not a good person to have on your team or in his case the Jewish team. He is his own worst enemy just like Hitler was. The madness of hate leads inevitably to a bullet in your own brain or some such.

Hitler? Bullet in the brain? Wut?

 

[Noobtastic]

Well lets see, according to your posts over the last few days you hate Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, Europeans, Jews that don't support Zionism, Liberals, Leftists and just about anybody that doesn't think Israels shit doesn't stink. Yeah that about covers it.

Please provide any posts where I express hatred.

I don't hate Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims Europeans, or raging leftist Jews.

You confuse hatred with disagreement.

If you want to say outrageous things about Israel, don't accuse the other side of hate-speak when you can't respond with facts.

Just because leftist jews are detached from reality doesn't mean I hate them. I'm not a hateful person.

 

[Moonbeam]

Please provide any posts where I express hatred.

I don't hate Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims Europeans, or raging leftist Jews.

You confuse hatred with disagreement.

If you want to say outrageous things about Israel, don't accuse the other side of hate-speak when you can't respond with facts.

Just because leftist jews are detached from reality doesn't mean I hate them. I'm not a hateful person.

You have an interesting name for a person who isn't a hateful person.

 

[Moonbeam]

Hitler? Bullet in the brain? Wut?

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_Adolf_Hitler_die&alreadyAsked=1&rtitle=How_did_Hitler_kill_himself

Or for a more visual history try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6omQ5JjjLsE

 

[Red Dawn]

Please provide any posts where I express hatred.

I don't hate Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims Europeans, or raging leftist Jews.

You confuse hatred with disagreement.

If you want to say outrageous things about Israel, don't accuse the other side of hate-speak when you can't respond with facts.

Just because leftist jews are detached from reality doesn't mean I hate them. I'm not a hateful person.

Yeah I guess I can trust my lying eyes