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I'm pretty surprised by the numbers in this poll... Either some people do a pretty good job defending Israel's point, or that the ATPN is much less Liberal leaning than I thought![]()
You, like IHV both make the mistake of believing this is a left versus right issue which it is not. I'm about as left as they come and I'm very much pro Isreal on this issue.
Where you guys ever got the idea that liberals are pro islam/anti Isreal I can't imagine. I guess your overzealous hatred of anything LEFT has you conditioned to think anything you believe must be the opposite of those damn libs![]()
Yeah the Israeli Air Force/Navy wears uniforms. I guess they can't be called "terrorists" because of that, even if some of their actions are indistinguishable from the actions of the Arab "terrorists".
Israel doesn't have to rely on explosive belts etc. They have nice F16/F15 with cluster bombs, supplied by the US taxpayer to make their points.
My answer to the poll is that they are all F***ing nuts. Jews were labeled the "terrorists" from late 1800's through 1947 and since 1947 Arabs/Palestinians have been labeled the "terrorists".
Keep in mind that the label "terrorist" has only to do with the political view of the day. I am sure that King George III and his ministers would have labeled the American revolutionaries "terrorists" in 1760-1790 because they skulked behind trees with rifles and sniped at the redcoat columns and refused battle in an open field as the Europeans of the day were used to. The American tactics were completely foreign and "unfair" to the poor British redcoats hence the Americans were "terrorists". Of course when the VC skulked behind trees with rifles and sniped at the American columns they were the "terrorists".
To solve a conflict like this both sides need to give. In this case both sides somehow think they can gain some measure of advantage over the other and hence the conflict continues.
Just look at how Isreal has improved its land and how the Palestinians have spent all their time trying to destroy Isreal. Who has the better ideas?
When the Jews evacuated Gaza, they left hundreds of beautiful homes behind. The Gazans destroyed them. They were going to build highrises instead. In the more than two years since the Israelis left, not a single brick has been laid. The Gazans destroyed and plundered the sophisticated and fully computerized greenhouse installations that the Jews had left behind. They were worth millions of dollars, could have produced food for the residents and millions of dollars in yearly revenue for the impoverished territory.
For Israelis, the abandonment of Gaza was also a trial balloon to assess what the relationship with a nascent Palestinian state would be. They got a quick and decisive answer. Almost from the very first day of their liberation, the Gazans launched daily rocket attacks on Israel.
In the meantime, Israel responds with pinpoint volleys on the launching pads of those rockets. But they are easily movable and purposely located in heavily populated neighborhoods. It is thanks only to Israeli respect for human life that tens of thousands of Gazans have not perished in Israels response to those barrages. We must ask ourselves what our country would do if Mexico were to launch thousands of rockets into San Diego. The answer is perfectly clear: We would retaliate in full force.
The situation in Gaza is indeed miserable. That is not the fault of the Israelis, but the fault of the Gazans/Palestinians themselves. In 1948, the UN proposed that Palestine be divided into an Arab and into a Jewish sector, with Jerusalem becoming an internationalized city. The Jews reluctantly accepted this partition plan. The Arabs rejected it out of hand and invaded the newly-born Jewish state with the armies of six nations. Had the Arabs accepted the partition plan or any of the many Israeli offers of conciliation, they would now have had their own state for sixty years and would enjoy prosperity and economic success just as Israel. Instead, focused exclusively on the destruction of Israel and the killing of the hated Jews, Gazans are living in misery, totally depending on the dole of Israel and on the support of the world.
You exactly make my point. Palestinians are "terrorists" so Israel can do whatever it wants to them. "Terrorists" have no rights. Your political persuasion has labeled which side is called "terrorists"
Dead is dead whether you are killed by a 2000 lb bomb or by an explosive belt. Humans kill each other by the means they have available, justifying it by their own political view. Israel happens to have modern weapons while the Palestinians are stuck using explosive belts. Both factions are pursuing their political objectives, or maybe their leader's political objectives. The means available to the two sides are quite different.
Your viewpoint reminds me of the response to Al Qaida or some such group killing people with swords. Meanwhile the US is killing people with high explosive and burning phosphorus. Result is the same to the individual and family, dead is dead.
Neither the extreme left or the extreme right (Stormfront material, you know) are positive towards Israel. However 99% of the westerners, as individuals or as countries, who support Islam (regardless of how actively they do it) come from the left. Blame leftists tendencies towards multiculturalism and self-hatred; some of these guys see in Israel a mirror of a US, the same US they think isn't tolerant enough, isn't open enough and solves everything with power.
The Jewish identity by far favors the left, but Zionism, on its imposed war with Islam, is much more comfortable among the right. Many Liberals today side with the Muslims just to tell their own societies and the mainstream media "fuck you", without understanding that they are making a pact with the devil.
idk, it seems to me like the anti-Israel brigade is almost entirely made up of the extreme left along with a smattering of libertarians who would be opposed to any US foreign involvement whatsoever, regardless of the situation.You, like IHV both make the mistake of believing this is a left versus right issue which it is not. I'm about as left as they come and I'm very much pro Isreal on this issue.
Where you guys ever got the idea that liberals are pro islam/anti Isreal I can't imagine. I guess your overzealous hatred of anything LEFT has you conditioned to think anything you believe must be the opposite of those damn libs![]()
It truly is amazing that the Left is so sympathetic to Arabs and Islam. The Leftists are, in essence, condoning the subjugation of women, religious government, and the stoning murder or raped girls under Sharia Law such as the recent stoning murder of 13 year old Aisho Ibrahim Dhuhulow.
(Did anyone ever post about the stoning murder of this 13 year old girl? It happened in October 2008 and a search for "Aisho" didn't turn up anything. I think it helps people understand the true nature of Islam, the "religion of peace".)
Apperantly yours doesn't eitherthe Left doesn't care about human rights. Not only do they single out Israel, but they VICTIMIZE THE ARAB STATES!
It is pathetic.
And then they accuse anyone who challenges them of bigotry, racism, blah blah blah.
The arab world is a cesspool. egypt, lebanon, syria, sudan, algeria, all pathetic.
no, their obsession is with the palestinians, the most coddled and cherried victims-in-chief ever to exist, while victims of islamic terrorism get squat.
arab-sponsored genocide in darfur continues unabated because the left hijackes the UN tow age lawfare against israel.
sudan was almost admitted into the UN human rights council...LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
it's just disgusting how muslims treat each other, and how indifferent the left is. they spend all their days bitching and whining about the jewish state, and then say the muslim insanity is because of israel's policies towards the palestinians.
what isn't israel responsible for?
in another thread one poster had the audacity to rationalize the systematic cleansing of the arab world's jews.
just as they cleansed the kurds, dinkas, armenians, assyrians...their hatred knows no bounds.
You, like IHV both make the mistake of believing this is a left versus right issue which it is not. I'm about as left as they come and I'm very much pro Isreal on this issue.
Where you guys ever got the idea that liberals are pro islam/anti Isreal I can't imagine. I guess your overzealous hatred of anything LEFT has you conditioned to think anything you believe must be the opposite of those damn libs![]()
Apperantly yours doesn't either
Well lets see, according to your posts over the last few days you hate Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, Europeans, Jews that don't support Zionism, Liberals, Leftists and just about anybody that doesn't think Israels shit doesn't stink. Yeah that about covers it.What do I hate Red Dawn?
Uh?
Terrorism?
Sorry.
Well lets see, according to your posts over the last few days you hate Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, Europeans, Jews that don't support Zionism, Liberals, Leftists and just about anybody that doesn't think Israels shit doesn't stink. Yeah that about covers it.
But what is sad to me is that his hate for others is his hate for himself and because he doesn't realize that he really seeks his own self destruction, he's not a good person to have on your team or in his case the Jewish team. He is his own worst enemy just like Hitler was. The madness of hate leads inevitably to a bullet in your own brain or some such.
Well lets see, according to your posts over the last few days you hate Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, Europeans, Jews that don't support Zionism, Liberals, Leftists and just about anybody that doesn't think Israels shit doesn't stink. Yeah that about covers it.
Please provide any posts where I express hatred.
I don't hate Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims Europeans, or raging leftist Jews.
You confuse hatred with disagreement.
If you want to say outrageous things about Israel, don't accuse the other side of hate-speak when you can't respond with facts.
Just because leftist jews are detached from reality doesn't mean I hate them. I'm not a hateful person.
Hitler? Bullet in the brain? Wut?
Yeah I guess I can trust my lying eyesPlease provide any posts where I express hatred.
I don't hate Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims Europeans, or raging leftist Jews.
You confuse hatred with disagreement.
If you want to say outrageous things about Israel, don't accuse the other side of hate-speak when you can't respond with facts.
Just because leftist jews are detached from reality doesn't mean I hate them. I'm not a hateful person.