POLL - When does life begin

[Gonad the Barbarian]

At birth with the first breath.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: everman
The question isn't really where does life begin; it is when is life considered human?
I would have to pin it at when a new unique dna sequence is created which is the beginning of human life. That seems the most logical to me. Life form having 100% human dna = human.

Every cell in my body has 100% human DNA, every one of them, that goes for every ovary and every spermie as well, i hope your cells don't renew because according to you that would mean that millions of humans die every day just from you being you.

Your "theory" is silly and does not work. try another issue.

The thing is, unelss you are going for religion there is nothing that make an embryo anything even close to a human being.

 

[1EZduzit]

I would have to say life begins at the point that medicine could sustain it after being removed from the womb.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: jhu
actually it is relevant. a zygote has the potential to become a human given the environment. however, given a different environment, it can turn into any organ (heart, colon, brain), or it can just keep growing as a mass of cells without differentiation.

You will also die if you don't live in the right environment. Does that make you less human?

Originally posted by: jhu
1) there is no harm in calling a zygote a "human being." however, that still does not make it a human being. it still has the same 40-80% chance of not developing for a multitude of reasons. one of them is an intrauterine device that prevents embryo implantation, but still allows fertilization.

2) i'm not quite sure what you're getting at. almost everything is a potential human being. those zygotes they threw away at the fertility clinic are potential human beings.

3) it is true that many women who favor abortions don't want to have them. but it is good to have an option when circumstances change. while all those preventative measures mentioned do help prevent pregnancy, sometimes there is still an unwanted pregnancy.

1) Over a long enough timeframe, all human beings' survival goes to zero. The fact that the infant mortality rate is lower than the mortality rate of a zygote is because we have developed medicine to counteract childhood diseases and other problems.

3) If you get pregnant, who is to blame - the mother or the baby? The mother made a conscious choice to engage in behavior that could lead to pregnancy. If you want to make an exception for rape, that is one thing, but the fact is that rape accounts for far less than 1% of abortions, thus cannot be logically used to justify all abortions.

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Genetically speaking, almost everything is a potential human being.

Your twisted sense of what makes a human a human does not a human make.

I already proved that a zygote is, indeed, a human being. You're just going to ignore that, as it isn't expedient for your argument? That's an intelligent way to conduct a discussion.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: jhu
actually it is relevant. a zygote has the potential to become a human given the environment. however, given a different environment, it can turn into any organ (heart, colon, brain), or it can just keep growing as a mass of cells without differentiation.

You will also die if you don't live in the right environment. Does that make you less human?

Originally posted by: jhu
1) there is no harm in calling a zygote a "human being." however, that still does not make it a human being. it still has the same 40-80% chance of not developing for a multitude of reasons. one of them is an intrauterine device that prevents embryo implantation, but still allows fertilization.

2) i'm not quite sure what you're getting at. almost everything is a potential human being. those zygotes they threw away at the fertility clinic are potential human beings.

3) it is true that many women who favor abortions don't want to have them. but it is good to have an option when circumstances change. while all those preventative measures mentioned do help prevent pregnancy, sometimes there is still an unwanted pregnancy.

1) Over a long enough timeframe, all human beings' survival goes to zero. The fact that the infant mortality rate is lower than the mortality rate of a zygote is because we have developed medicine to counteract childhood diseases and other problems.

3) If you get pregnant, who is to blame - the mother or the baby? The mother made a conscious choice to engage in behavior that could lead to pregnancy. If you want to make an exception for rape, that is one thing, but the fact is that rape accounts for far less than 1% of abortions, thus cannot be logically used to justify all abortions.

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Genetically speaking, almost everything is a potential human being.

Your twisted sense of what makes a human a human does not a human make.

I already proved that a zygote is, indeed, a human being. You're just going to ignore that, as it isn't expedient for your argument? That's an intelligent way to conduct a discussion.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
;cookie;

Yeah, that's all the response you could muster last time as well. Next?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Klixxer
;cookie;

Yeah, that's all the response you could muster last time as well. Next?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Ah, the Keebler Elf has entered the building. I always thought you were a little funny looking.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Klixxer
;cookie;

Yeah, that's all the response you could muster last time as well. Next?

ooohhh, you want to have the full verse? well ahem:

trolling trolling trolling, cookies keeps on rolling, trolling trolling trolling Cycloooooo.

Is that better?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Ah, the Keebler Elf has entered the building. I always thought you were a little funny looking.

That is indeed the worst comeback i have ever heard of, besides, you never proved anything. Scientists have been trying to do it and you think you can do it with pictures.

You are so far beyond pathetic it isn't even amusing.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
That is indeed the worst comeback i have ever heard of, besides, you never proved anything. Scientists have been trying to do it and you think you can do it with pictures.

You are so far beyond pathetic it isn't even amusing.

I didn't post anything regarding pictures in this thread. I posted a link to definitions taken from Merriam-Webster which clearly refute your position. You responded with a cookie. If you'd care to argue the issue, learn wtf you're talking about - I have, and I'll continue to make you look foolish until you do or until you are silent.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Klixxer
That is indeed the worst comeback i have ever heard of, besides, you never proved anything. Scientists have been trying to do it and you think you can do it with pictures.

You are so far beyond pathetic it isn't even amusing.

I didn't post anything regarding pictures in this thread. I posted a link to definitions taken from Merriam-Webster which clearly refute your position. You responded with a cookie. If you'd care to argue the issue, learn wtf you're talking about - I have, and I'll continue to make you look foolish until you do or until you are silent.

Christ, thet you were ever able to finish grade school is a surprise.

Heres a

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Christ, thet you were ever able to finish grade school is a surprise.

Heres a

Well, you've joined Infohawk back on the good ol' ignore list. Let me know if you ever care to educate yourself on issues before you try to argue them. I'll give you sources.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I would have to say life begins at the point that medicine could sustain it after being removed from the womb.

that's always been my belief as well.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Christ, thet you were ever able to finish grade school is a surprise.

Heres a

Well, you've joined Infohawk back on the good ol' ignore list. Let me know if you ever care to educate yourself on issues before you try to argue them. I'll give you sources.

 

[element]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: element
I don't care when it begins it should be legal to abort both parents if they fvck but don't want the kid and don't use contraception.

Your ass is crass.

Why? It is HUMAN NATURE, you can deny that all you want but it still is.

If it wasn't you would not exist.

Your ass is stupid.

It is human nature to be stupid? You can have sex without having kids. If you can't figure that out then just do us all a favor and end it right now. Who is stupid now?

How hard is it to understand: 'Don't have unprotected sex if you don't want a kid'? If it's human nature to bring a kid into this world you won't take care of the FVCK human and their stupid nature.

What it really is, is friggin a bunch of uneducated animal fvxks who can't control themselves or plan for the future.

Is that YOU'RE human nature? It sure as hell ain't mine.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: element
It is human nature to be stupid? You can have sex without having kids. If you can't figure that out then just do us all a favor and end it right now. Who is stupid now?

How hard is it to understand: 'Don't have unprotected sex if you don't want a kid'? If it's human nature to bring a kid into this world you won't take care of the FVCK human and their stupid nature.

what if the condom breaks?

(or in cases of rape)

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: loki8481
what if the condom breaks?

(or in cases of rape)

You want to have sex, you accept the responsibility of the possible consequences. Why is the idea of personal responsibility completely ignored or cast aside? It's a very disturbing trend.

 

[MidasKnight]

People who favor abortion say it's the woman's choice. I say if that's true then she made her choice to have sex ( using protection or not, birth control or not. ) The fetus did not choose to be made. But the fact is most fetuses will be human babies and deserve a chance at life. I only favor two types of abortion: 1.) Rape 2.) life of mother is at risk.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: element

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: element
I don't care when it begins it should be legal to abort both parents if they fvck but don't want the kid and don't use contraception.

Your ass is crass.

Why? It is HUMAN NATURE, you can deny that all you want but it still is.

If it wasn't you would not exist.

Your ass is stupid.

It is human nature to be stupid? You can have sex without having kids. If you can't figure that out then just do us all a favor and end it right now. Who is stupid now?

How hard is it to understand: 'Don't have unprotected sex if you don't want a kid'? If it's human nature to bring a kid into this world you won't take care of the FVCK human and their stupid nature.

What it really is, is friggin a bunch of uneducated animal fvxks who can't control themselves or plan for the future.

Is that YOU'RE human nature? It sure as hell ain't mine.

You will have to excuse me but if you are willing to say that it is not in human nature to procreate then i have no answer i guess. you see, before you started to explain the issues, that was exactly what you said.

It is human nature to want sex, of course contraceptives will stop most pregnancies but not all, and one of the humans forgets and gets drunk, it happens you know. Yes it is stupid but it happens.

I have three kids and i love them dearly, a single father with his kids living with him, i am no big FAN of this but it does happen, i know because it has happened to a girl i was with, i left the decision to her but let her know that i would support her no matter what she chose.

These things happen, and they happen BECAUSE of human nature, now your human nature might be screwed up but mine ain't.

WHEN you reach my age, i am willing to discuss this with you.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: loki8481
what if the condom breaks?

(or in cases of rape)

You want to have sex, you accept the responsibility of the possible consequences. Why is the idea of personal responsibility completely ignored or cast aside? It's a very disturbing trend.

(in cases of rape) you do know the definition of rape?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: MidasKnight
People who favor abortion say it's the woman's choice. I say if that's true then she made her choice to have sex ( using protection or not, birth control or not. ) The fetus did not choose to be made. But the fact is most fetuses will be human babies and deserve a chance at life. I only favor two types of abortion: 1.) Rape 2.) life of mother is at risk.

That is so stupid, who the fvck favors abortion?

It is supposed to be an option, not something you favor, you still don't get it and probably never will.

The fetus cannot even choose to breathe.

I love your kind, you think it is ok to kill a baby (your definition) if the mother was raped.

Does the rape make the baby (your definition) less innocent somehow?

 

[element]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: element

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: element
I don't care when it begins it should be legal to abort both parents if they fvck but don't want the kid and don't use contraception.

Your ass is crass.

Why? It is HUMAN NATURE, you can deny that all you want but it still is.

If it wasn't you would not exist.

Your ass is stupid.

It is human nature to be stupid? You can have sex without having kids. If you can't figure that out then just do us all a favor and end it right now. Who is stupid now?

How hard is it to understand: 'Don't have unprotected sex if you don't want a kid'? If it's human nature to bring a kid into this world you won't take care of the FVCK human and their stupid nature.

What it really is, is friggin a bunch of uneducated animal fvxks who can't control themselves or plan for the future.

Is that YOU'RE human nature? It sure as hell ain't mine.

You will have to excuse me but if you are willing to say that it is not in human nature to procreate then i have no answer i guess. you see, before you started to explain the issues, that was exactly what you said.

It is human nature to want sex, of course contraceptives will stop most pregnancies but not all, and one of the humans forgets and gets drunk, it happens you know. Yes it is stupid but it happens.

I have three kids and i love them dearly, a single father with his kids living with him, i am no big FAN of this but it does happen, i know because it has happened to a girl i was with, i left the decision to her but let her know that i would support her no matter what she chose.

These things happen, and they happen BECAUSE of human nature, now your human nature might be screwed up but mine ain't.

WHEN you reach my age, i am willing to discuss this with you.

Ok in all seriousness at no point in any of my posts can I find where I said it's not human nature to procreate. What I did post was that humans should be aware of the consequences of actig on those urges and use the proper means to prevent unwanted pregnancies. And yes i know there are cases where it was unpreventable but those are not as prevalent as the ignorant slobs who just don't give a damn.

I hope you're not taking this personal because you seem to be someone who at least gives a damn enough to discuss it so this doesn't apply to you.

Its a sticky subject (no pun intended) but I believe a woman should have the right to choose up to a point, after that it's murder but its even worse when you hear of a baby found in a dumpster, some people like I said just have no remorse or anything, just don't give a sh1t you know? Those people should be "aborted" so to speak.

 

[element]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: MidasKnight
People who favor abortion say it's the woman's choice. I say if that's true then she made her choice to have sex ( using protection or not, birth control or not. ) The fetus did not choose to be made. But the fact is most fetuses will be human babies and deserve a chance at life. I only favor two types of abortion: 1.) Rape 2.) life of mother is at risk.

That is so stupid, who the fvck favors abortion?

It is supposed to be an option, not something you favor, you still don't get it and probably never will.

The fetus cannot even choose to breathe.

I love your kind, you think it is ok to kill a baby (your definition) if the mother was raped.

Does the rape make the baby (your definition) less innocent somehow?

So if the mother was raped and she doesn't want the baby and it's not past the firrst trimester you think she should be ordered to keep it? I'm just trying to understand your point of view not trying to put words in your mouth but is that what you mean?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: element
...

Don't waste your breath. He's older and fought in more wars, so what he says is right, period.