POLL - When does life begin

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: jhu
development and viability follow similar tracks but are two separate issues. for me, viability means the ability to survive in the open air. technology cannot push viability much further below 20 weeks if at all. most people align themselves to the gradation that kibbo outlined.

That guideline is used because it's the one used by the USSC in Roe v Wade. Seems that most of the people here don't even know of its existence.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: jhu
development and viability follow similar tracks but are two separate issues. for me, viability means the ability to survive in the open air. technology cannot push viability much further below 20 weeks if at all. most people align themselves to the gradation that kibbo outlined.

That guideline is used because it's the one used by the USSC in Roe v Wade. Seems that most of the people here don't even know of its existence.

CHECK YOUR FVCKING FACTS before you spout off trollboy.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: jhu
development and viability follow similar tracks but are two separate issues. for me, viability means the ability to survive in the open air. technology cannot push viability much further below 20 weeks if at all. most people align themselves to the gradation that kibbo outlined.

That guideline is used because it's the one used by the USSC in Roe v Wade. Seems that most of the people here don't even know of its existence.

CHECK YOUR FVCKING FACTS before you spout off trollboy.

Tell me where I'm wrong, asshat. If you're saying that this isn't what Roe v Wade says, then maybe you should check your facts.

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Specifically,

(a) For the stage prior to approximately the end of the first trimester, the abortion decision and its effectuation must be left to the medical judgment of the pregnant woman's attending physician.

(b) For the stage subsequent to approximately the end of the first trimester, the State, in promoting its interest in the health of the mother, may, if it chooses, regulate the abortion procedure in ways that are reasonably related to maternal health.

(c) For the stage subsequent to viability the State, in promoting its interest in the potentiality of human life, may, if it chooses, regulate, and even proscribe, abortion except where necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother.

 

[imported_goku]

Sighs, ppl are completely divided between the whole abortion thing but the question is, why are more ppl ok with takin ppl who are vegetables off life support? Im sure there are some who think it's worth having some one has a vegetable on life support for 20 yrs just so it can grunt and do absoulutly nothing. I think if the brain is not actually having any real brain waves and the person's body is just alive and thats it, then person essentially died 20 yrs ago when the accident first happened. So to answer your questions, what about fetus's, would you consider it alive? Yes the cells are working but its like a vegetable, it not really alive until it's born. If it can't live on it's own and has no significant or any brain waves then it is simply not and is "alive"/dead. My position on abortion is a womans right to choose, if it means the child won't have to suffer a debilitating disease/life/be a vegetable then by all means have an abortion.

 

[BurnItDwn]

"life" exists before conception. The sperm and the egg are all living cells prior to cenception.

If you were asking abou a concious or human life, well I don't think it begins until birth, or maybe the last trimester.

 

[imported_goku]

Ironically my 8th grade teacher (when abortion started to become an issue) supports a womans right to choose despite her being adopted!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
"life" exists before conception. The sperm and the egg are all living cells prior to cenception.

Exactly, that's why they are killing millions of children in those dishes.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
"life" exists before conception. The sperm and the egg are all living cells prior to cenception.

If you were asking abou a concious or human life, well I don't think it begins until birth, or maybe the last trimester.

a sperm or egg would not fall into the definition of "life" as they are not self-sustaining, they do not grow etc

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
"life" exists before conception. The sperm and the egg are all living cells prior to cenception.

If you were asking abou a concious or human life, well I don't think it begins until birth, or maybe the last trimester.

a sperm or egg would not fall into the definition of "life" as they are not self-sustaining, they do not grow etc

Put them together in the dish and they sure do.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
"life" exists before conception. The sperm and the egg are all living cells prior to cenception.

If you were asking abou a concious or human life, well I don't think it begins until birth, or maybe the last trimester.

a sperm or egg would not fall into the definition of "life" as they are not self-sustaining, they do not grow etc

Put them together in the dish and they sure do.

but that is not what I was replying to. Yes, together they create life