Poll: What planetary system would you most like to see colonized?

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: adlep
Europa...Buts thats a moon...
It has plenty of water though....

Jupiter. We got Europa for water + solar system's largest hockey rink, Io, Ganymede...

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: zayened

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
i think that Venus isn't as un-inhabitable as some make it out to be.

your sick

on earth at the equator it gets to be 110 sometimes and thats unbearable

how hot you think Venus gets???

I also think that given time Venus could be habitable. The general makeup of Venus is remarkably similar to that of Earth. Most of the heat on that planet is trapped due to the atmosphere in a process similar to global warming. If venus had an atmosphere similar to earth it would be quite habitable, though admittedly a little hotter.

Earth has an equal amount of carbon dioxide as Venus. The difference is that most of the CO2 here on Earth has been locked up in rock formations under the sea. If all of that CO2 was released here, our planet would be exactly the same: a blazing oven. If we had a way to trap the CO2 content on Venus it could be habitable.

 

[matt426malm]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: adlep
Europa...Buts thats a moon...
It has plenty of water though....

Jupiter. We got Europa for water + solar system's largest hockey rink, Io, Ganymede...

Yeah but there is a huge amount of radiation that comes from jupiter.

 

[ManSnake]

This is so easy, everyone wants to colonize Uranus!!!

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
i think that Venus isn't as un-inhabitable as some make it out to be.

Something tells me you're engaging in some wishful thinking there..

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Kyteland

Originally posted by: zayened

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
i think that Venus isn't as un-inhabitable as some make it out to be.

your sick

on earth at the equator it gets to be 110 sometimes and thats unbearable

how hot you think Venus gets???

I also think that given time Venus could be habitable. The general makeup of Venus is remarkably similar to that of Earth. Most of the heat on that planet is trapped due to the atmosphere in a process similar to global warming. If venus had an atmosphere similar to earth it would be quite habitable, though admittedly a little hotter.

Earth has an equal amount of carbon dioxide as Venus. The difference is that most of the CO2 here on Earth has been locked up in rock formations under the sea. If all of that CO2 was released here, our planet would be exactly the same: a blazing oven. If we had a way to trap the CO2 content on Venus it could be habitable.

I'm thinking sulfur accepting plants, our subs can withstand those atms.

but mars does look more terraformable

 

[matt426malm]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Kyteland

Originally posted by: zayened

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
i think that Venus isn't as un-inhabitable as some make it out to be.

your sick

on earth at the equator it gets to be 110 sometimes and thats unbearable

how hot you think Venus gets???

I also think that given time Venus could be habitable. The general makeup of Venus is remarkably similar to that of Earth. Most of the heat on that planet is trapped due to the atmosphere in a process similar to global warming. If venus had an atmosphere similar to earth it would be quite habitable, though admittedly a little hotter.

Earth has an equal amount of carbon dioxide as Venus. The difference is that most of the CO2 here on Earth has been locked up in rock formations under the sea. If all of that CO2 was released here, our planet would be exactly the same: a blazing oven. If we had a way to trap the CO2 content on Venus it could be habitable.

I'm thinking sulfur accepting plants, our subs can withstand those atms.

but mars does look more terraformable

You don't need to heat mars up much before the dry ice up on the poles thaws. Then ya got more co2 in the atmosphere the temp goes up more and so on. Plus mars has got a fairly good amount of water, good chance a lot of the old oceans of mars are now permafrost. Lastly it's a realtivly easy to extract o2 from co2, or you can bring along some H2 and react that with the co2 to get methane, a farily decent rocket fuel.

Edit: Plus it's a fair bet there is life underground near hot springs.

 

[TheAudit]

Originally posted by: Spoooon
Venus probe info.

Thanks for the link!


"The hardy spacecraft had delivered the first measurements conducted directly on the surface of another planet. The data confirmed what has already been speculated about the "weather" on Venus -- the surface temperature was 460 to 475 degrees Fahrenheit (237 to 246 degrees Celsius) -- enough to melt such metals as lead or zinc. The atmospheric pressure at the surface turned out to be around 93 atmospheres, comparable to an ocean depth on Earth of around 2,625 feet (800 meters)."

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
I'm thinking sulfur accepting plants, our subs can withstand those atms.

but mars does look more terraformable

Mars is by far the easiest solution to colonize/terraform, I'm just trying to say that it isn't impossible for us to eventually live on Venus. One of the biggest sticking points is how long the days are on Venus, 240 days or something like that. I don't think earth plants would handle that very well even if we could get the temp low enough. If we could find a way to harness the heat energy in the atmoshpere to speed up the rotation of the planet then.....

Also take a look at this link about Venus possibly being habitable in the past.

Also here

Comparison to Earth:
Venus and Earth have roughly the same size and mass. At its equator Venus is 12,104 kilometers in diameter (or 0.95 times that of the Earth), and its mass is 0.81 times that of the Earth. Both planets also have few craters, indicating relatively young surfaces. The planets also have similar density and composition as well.

Comparisons of the two planets' rotations, however, illustrate a key difference. Venus rotates on its axis in a direction opposite that of the Earth and the other planets of our solar system and takes 243 Earth-days for a complete rotation. One revolution around the Sun for Venus takes 225 Earth days. Because Venus takes longer to rotate on its own axis than to complete a journey around the Sun, one day on Venus is slightly longer than one year there!

The two are remarkably similar. All of the elements are there to make the planet exactly like Earth, they just aren't in the proper place. All of the CO2 is in the atmosphere instead of the bedrock and all of the water/oxygen is trapped elsewhere.

 

[rh71]

I love astronomy. It fascinates me. Especially ^ post. Too bad I suck at physics.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: TheAudit

Originally posted by: Spoooon
Venus probe info.

Thanks for the link!


"The hardy spacecraft had delivered the first measurements conducted directly on the surface of another planet. The data confirmed what has already been speculated about the "weather" on Venus -- the surface temperature was 460 to 475 degrees Fahrenheit (237 to 246 degrees Celsius) -- enough to melt such metals as lead or zinc. The atmospheric pressure at the surface turned out to be around 93 atmospheres, comparable to an ocean depth on Earth of around 2,625 feet (800 meters)."

temp and pressure all within do-able limits for application specific bio-spheres.

 

[Schadenfroh]

rember what happened last time we tried to colonize phobos:evil:

 

[matt426malm]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: TheAudit

Originally posted by: Spoooon
Venus probe info.

Thanks for the link!


"The hardy spacecraft had delivered the first measurements conducted directly on the surface of another planet. The data confirmed what has already been speculated about the "weather" on Venus -- the surface temperature was 460 to 475 degrees Fahrenheit (237 to 246 degrees Celsius) -- enough to melt such metals as lead or zinc. The atmospheric pressure at the surface turned out to be around 93 atmospheres, comparable to an ocean depth on Earth of around 2,625 feet (800 meters)."

temp and pressure all within do-able limits for application specific bio-spheres.

but mars is sooooo much easier, venus is do-able when 100 years off? We could colonize mars now.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: matt426malm

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: TheAudit

Originally posted by: Spoooon
Venus probe info.

Thanks for the link!


"The hardy spacecraft had delivered the first measurements conducted directly on the surface of another planet. The data confirmed what has already been speculated about the "weather" on Venus -- the surface temperature was 460 to 475 degrees Fahrenheit (237 to 246 degrees Celsius) -- enough to melt such metals as lead or zinc. The atmospheric pressure at the surface turned out to be around 93 atmospheres, comparable to an ocean depth on Earth of around 2,625 feet (800 meters)."

temp and pressure all within do-able limits for application specific bio-spheres.

but mars is sooooo much easier, venus is do-able when 100 years off? We could colonize mars now.

well, our life time for tera-forming... we'd have it going well now if they'd implemented Carol Sagan's suggestions back in the 70s.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

a couple of observations... Mercury has one side facing the Sun, perpetually... that reduces the available surface...
Funny how Soviets/Russians were more "into" Venus, and the U.S. more "into" Mars.... ... The asteroid belt will be a hot spot for the industry, since so many elements are available there. So it's logical to assume the connection with Earth will be through either a large Jovian satellite or Mars. In any case, Mars is the most feasible overall, and it has the psychological advantage of having been known by everyone.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

also, a revival of the Orion projest will be needed for any serious undertaking in any direction, unless someone finds cheap and reliable fusion....

 

[matt426malm]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: matt426malm

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: TheAudit

Originally posted by: Spoooon
Venus probe info.

Thanks for the link!


"The hardy spacecraft had delivered the first measurements conducted directly on the surface of another planet. The data confirmed what has already been speculated about the "weather" on Venus -- the surface temperature was 460 to 475 degrees Fahrenheit (237 to 246 degrees Celsius) -- enough to melt such metals as lead or zinc. The atmospheric pressure at the surface turned out to be around 93 atmospheres, comparable to an ocean depth on Earth of around 2,625 feet (800 meters)."

temp and pressure all within do-able limits for application specific bio-spheres.

but mars is sooooo much easier, venus is do-able when 100 years off? We could colonize mars now.

well, our life time for tera-forming... we'd have it going well now if they'd implemented Carol Sagan's suggestions back in the 70s.

I'm going to stick with Zubrin "The Case for Mars" he is the best space colonization author. Sagan is a bit out of his element with colonization, I see him as more of a spokesman for science in general.

 

[rh71]

What is this asteroid belt you speak of ?

 

[matt426malm]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
also, a revival of the Orion projest will be needed for any serious undertaking in any direction, unless someone finds cheap and reliable fusion....

You don't need a nuclear rocket to get to Mars, it wouldn't get you there much faster (planets rotating). 2 saturn 5 size rockets would do fine, first send return vechile then crew. But yeah a fission reactor would make a mission to space WAY easier, It's those damr Greenpeace wackos.

 

[Bootprint]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
a couple of observations... Mercury has one side facing the Sun, perpetually... that reduces the available surface...
Funny how Soviets/Russians were more "into" Venus, and the U.S. more "into" Mars.... ... The asteroid belt will be a hot spot for the industry, since so many elements are available there. So it's logical to assume the connection with Earth will be through either a large Jovian satellite or Mars. In any case, Mars is the most feasible overall, and it has the psychological advantage of having been known by everyone.

It seems from here, Mercury isn't tidal locked with one face always towards the sun.

 

[Chumpman]

venus because it rhymes with penis :0

 

[matt426malm]

Originally posted by: rh71
What is this asteroid belt you speak of ?

between mars and jupiter there are billions of rocks carbon base, silicate, and nickle/platinum. From dust sized to 500km wide.

 

[rh71]

Suddenly I have the urge to play some Freelancer.

 

[Dragnov]

I think Mars is super cute but not when she transforms. Mercury is super cute both way though.

 

[matt426malm]

Originally posted by: Bootprint

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
a couple of observations... Mercury has one side facing the Sun, perpetually... that reduces the available surface...
Funny how Soviets/Russians were more "into" Venus, and the U.S. more "into" Mars.... ... The asteroid belt will be a hot spot for the industry, since so many elements are available there. So it's logical to assume the connection with Earth will be through either a large Jovian satellite or Mars. In any case, Mars is the most feasible overall, and it has the psychological advantage of having been known by everyone.

It seems from here, Mercury isn't tidal locked with one face always towards the sun.

the period of the orbit is 88 days, while the period of
Mercury's rotation is 59 days. That is sort of locked