Well, this really shouldn't be too surprising... see how America is becoming more and more a country that sees themselves as victims.
true, but these same people that voted white probably complain about how minorities claim to be victims.
face it DISCRIMINATION BY WHITES DID AND DOES EXIST.
Actually whites are one of the the most discriminated against groups. Not on a personal level but on a systematic level.
Most large employers have "equal opportunity" employment rules which means that the proportions of hiree races has to be the same as the proportion in the general population. Which means if others in your group tend to work for their jobs you are SOL. I know my mom was turned down for a lot of teaching jobs because she was white, and sometimes people are even upfront about the fact that a black or hispanic with the same qualifications would get the job easily, but they can't hire any whites because of ratios that have to be kept. These rules in many cases apply to getting financial aid for college in the same way they apply to "equal opportunity" jobs.
In some fields Indians and or Asians may be discriminated against more than whites for similar reasons to the above.
Most large employers have "equal opportunity" employment rules which means that the proportions of hiree races has to be the same as the proportion in the general population. Which means if others in your group tend to work for their jobs you are SOL. I know my mom was turned down for a lot of teaching jobs because she was white, and sometimes people are even upfront about the fact that a black or hispanic with the same qualifications would get the job easily, but they can't hire any whites because of ratios that have to be kept. These rules in many cases apply to getting financial aid for college in the same way they apply to "equal opportunity" jobs.
In some fields Indians and or Asians may be discriminated against more than whites for similar reasons to the above.
how stupid.
you said equally qualified. IF they are equally qualified it is ONLY right that you keep the ratios consistent with the population at large. THAT IS NOT DISCRIMINATION.
One difference between straight whites and every other racial / ethnic / sexual group is that white males are the one group that it is acceptable to bash and (through affirmative action, scholarships, etc.) discriminate against.
The 99.9% of the white population that are working class and not terribly affluent are lumped in with the 0.1% mostly-white super-rich who do control the corporations and familiy fortunes. Your ancestors might have been enslaved, but mine were kept in grinding poverty as "indentured servants" and tenant farmers by some of the same rich oppressors.
I personally do believe in scholarships to give more people a chance at "the pursuit of happiness," but think most of them should be based on economic need / poverty rather than race. And I do accept the need for some forms of affirmative action to make up for the lack of equal access to education and to help overcome the legacy of all the friends of Trent Lott that still make up the top management at most corporations (and pack the house and senate).
WRONG, the .01% that you are referring to DOES choose white over minorities if faced with the choice. THEY do discriminate hence affirmative action.
I think a better explanation would be that those who voted for white, are failures in real life, and it's easier to be a victim than to take responsibility.
Ok, what if the minority is less qualified should they still get the job to balance out the ratios? My point is that the goalpost is at a different height for each ethnic group based on how many within that group actually try to get the job or financial aid and with what qualifications.
i dont' support quotas, i'm not a believer in affirmative action either, but the claim that whites are the most discriminated against is LUDICROUS.
Does affirmative action mean that whites are being discriminated against? NO, it means that there is still a problem in society because without affirmative action those minorities that are getting jobs PROBABLY wouldn't.
So you take a single instance in which your mom didn't qualify, and that automatically assumes that whites are the MOST discriminated group? Do you honestly believe that they get discriminated more than gays?
EVERY group gets discriminated... but to say that whites are the MOST discriminated is so absurd.
The results of this poll is absolutely f*cking disgusting. I can't believe it. THE most? Oh my f*ckin gawd!
Oh come on. The 23-year-old HR person earning $30K/year doing the hiring is far less likely to be a closet racist than the 65-year-old geezer in the boardroom. That person is also far, far less likely to be white.
and you KNOW better than that Dave. the 65 yr old geezer is MUCH more likely to choose white executives. those white executives tend to choose white middle management. . .
I'd probably have to say gays.
But for the white arguement, I'd definitely have to say that affirmative action along with the entire idea of quotas is pretty harsh on whites. Also Davesimmons brings up a good point, Whites are probably the most acceptable to bash, which sort of goes back to that whole arguement behind the use of the "n word" and words like gay and cracker and the like. Another thing is the number of minorities with chips on their shoulders who will say almost anything to get whites in trouble for really minor things, such as that school teacher who only went over the line a tiny bit and was forced into retirement.
Just a thought.
But for the white arguement, I'd definitely have to say that affirmative action along with the entire idea of quotas is pretty harsh on whites. Also Davesimmons brings up a good point, Whites are probably the most acceptable to bash, which sort of goes back to that whole arguement behind the use of the "n word" and words like gay and cracker and the like. Another thing is the number of minorities with chips on their shoulders who will say almost anything to get whites in trouble for really minor things, such as that school teacher who only went over the line a tiny bit and was forced into retirement.
Just a thought.
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First, no one implied that there is tons of discrimination out there just because they voted in the poll. The question was asked, and some people selected "whites" as the most discriminated againt. The shrill reaction to the poll is kind of amusing. The knee jerk shouting of "ignorance" is typical. If there were 10 cases against white, and 5 cases against some minority group, the happy news is that there isn't that much going on. But the poll result would still say "whites" are the "most" discriminated against.
In fact I voted "whites", but I was also considering "gays". One reason I chose "white" is because if I were a black female with my identical credentials (engineering degree, 10 years of experience) then I would be a particularly hot commodity due to the undeniable skewing affect of the affirmative action culture. As it is, I'm a white male and I am a regular commodity.
My sister-in-law (white) ended up going to medical school overseas because she could not get into a med school with her good credentials. If she were a racial minority, she could have selected any medical school in this country (United States).
So don't panic when white people select "white" on this poll. White people are tired of being the neutral background in which non-whites congregate into racial special interest groups. The poll results aren't the result of ignorance. It ought to embarass the shouters of racial status quo that they have to resort immediately to name calling.
In fact I voted "whites", but I was also considering "gays". One reason I chose "white" is because if I were a black female with my identical credentials (engineering degree, 10 years of experience) then I would be a particularly hot commodity due to the undeniable skewing affect of the affirmative action culture. As it is, I'm a white male and I am a regular commodity.
My sister-in-law (white) ended up going to medical school overseas because she could not get into a med school with her good credentials. If she were a racial minority, she could have selected any medical school in this country (United States).
So don't panic when white people select "white" on this poll. White people are tired of being the neutral background in which non-whites congregate into racial special interest groups. The poll results aren't the result of ignorance. It ought to embarass the shouters of racial status quo that they have to resort immediately to name calling.
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