Well, i'd say apply to stanford as berkeley is notoriously well known for being extremely bias towards accepting asians even if they are utterly overqualified. (Bastards)
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And I wouldn't trade my degree from Texas A&M University for any other school's... my engineering education there is as good as any in the country. I could care less about what USNews says, because I see proof on the job every day.
[qa) He was completely bias against his hatred for Berkeley, and he's made it clear he doesn't like the school.
b) Number two he doesn't understand the concept of class limits and how they apply to prestigiuos schools.
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haha he said a) then b) number two
b) Number two he doesn't understand the concept of class limits and how they apply to prestigiuos schools.
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haha he said a) then b) number two
Naw, i didn't keep any of his sister and mom.
After second thought about his bright future with N*Sync, he should probably consider leaving this group before word of it breaks out and scandalizes his teengod career.
After second thought about his bright future with N*Sync, he should probably consider leaving this group before word of it breaks out and scandalizes his teengod career.
<< And you don't think you can challenge yourself at a school that doesn't have national name recognition? Have fun wherever you go, college is the time of your life unlike high school... I'd know, I'm 2 years through and loving it. >>
i really don't think college has been challenging, but its a whole lot of fun and I haven't learned so much in the books what I have built in character and grown up, didn't need a "big name" school for that, and the parties here were much better then standford!
<< After reading your posts I've been able to conclude quite a bit about you. >>
Have you now?
<< I know that you have a tendency to attract attention as seen with your bold text in the past. >>
If you went to my school and asked for me, very few people would know who I am. In relative to the other 4,000 or something, but I'm far from a person who tries to draw attention.
On the other hand one can't but help keep his good looks to himself.
<< admitted to having poor grades yet you are very concerned about your future education. >>
I do not have poor grades. I could fax you my transcript right here, that shows that I've taken as many Honors and AP classes as humanely possible, and have managed to keep a 3.95 weighted GPA. It's not great or anything, but certainly not poor. Your flat-out assumptions only manage to hurt your argument.
<< A year with room and board at any prestigious university is going to run you 25,000+ a year. >>
Run your post through a fact checker please..
The absolute MOST I would possibly pay for Berkeley in a year is $15,000, with tuition being about $4,000, room/board about $7,000, and I'll be generous on your account and round up another $4,000 from other expenses. In addition to that, I'll only be going there for two years, so unless there's some reason you want to multiply that amount by four, it's far FAR FAR from $120,000.
I didn't even mention possible scholarships/grants/loan...
<< The name of a school matters if you want it to. >>
If by "you" you mean employers, then yes, I'd say it's rather important.
<< And you don't think you can challenge yourself at a school that doesn't have national name recognition? >>
Why do you think these schools have national name recognitions? It's definitely not because the students who go there wind up to be drug-addicts and whatnot..On the other hand Outersquare an attendant at Berkeley claims it's much too hard and impossible to go through it.
Although it's a moot point anyway because those that went to a State college or equivalent will argue one way, and those at a major university will obviously go the other way. I don't think you can doubt though, that those at a major university will get easier employed, and will have higher salaries than others.
<< ROFLMAO!!! haaha someone actually kept it! hahahaha, anyone have his sis? j/k >>
Talk about my family, facetiously or not, and I'll hunt you down and crack your neck in half. And that, I will promise.
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<< I could fax you my transcript right here, that shows that I've taken as many Honors and AP classes as humanely possible, and have managed to keep a 3.95 weighted GPA >>
Your UC GPA will be lower since they don't give credit for all honors classes, and they don't count +'s or -'s.
I can understand you think Berkeley is a great school, and you want to go there. But pls don't make it sound like you are already in. Yes some community colleges have agreements with the UC's, but that doesn't mean you're gonna get into the CS program or into Berkeley at all. I looked at their website and they accept like 2000 of 8000 tranfer apps, I dunno about your HS but 3.95 weighted isn't going to cut it (they do look at HS grades from transfer students). Work hard the first two yrs at community college and you'll have a good shot.
<< Talk about my family, facetiously or not, and I'll hunt you down and crack your neck in half. And that, I will promise. >>
Sounds like a threat to me.
<<
<< ROFLMAO!!! haaha someone actually kept it! hahahaha, anyone have his sis? j/k >>
Talk about my family, facetiously or not, and I'll hunt you down and crack your neck in half. And that, I will promise. >>
ROFLMAO even more!!! hahahahaha dude you need to get a life! You're what a teenager! hahahaha
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Yup soudns like a threat to me too! hahaha, judging by his orignal pic, he could what, maybe crak the neck of a mouse?
<< But pls don't make it sound like you are already in. >>
How am I doing that?
<< I looked at their website and they accept like 2000 of 8000 tranfer apps >>
Not all are from community colleges.
<< (they do look at HS grades from transfer students). >>
No, they don't.
Although it's a moot point anyway because those that went to a State college or equivalent will argue one way, and those at a major university will obviously go the other way. I don't think you can doubt though, that those at a major university will get easier employed, and will have higher salaries than others.
Dismiss my comments all you'd like.. I have a fairly good idea as to what I'm talking about, my tuition/board last year was 22,000, and while the environment at my school is certainly more sophisticated and nicer than the public university which I used to finish high school early, I most definitely can say that either school can offer me a challenge so long as I apply myself.
So waa all you want to the people here who know what they are talking about. Spending your money on prestige will not get you what you want.. my career is already full in swing aside from school and it began before I began college. So I can safely say that the prestige of my current scholastic residence had NOTHING to do with my current job. Skills which I taught myself over the last six years made that possible.
Dismiss my comments all you'd like.. I have a fairly good idea as to what I'm talking about, my tuition/board last year was 22,000, and while the environment at my school is certainly more sophisticated and nicer than the public university which I used to finish high school early, I most definitely can say that either school can offer me a challenge so long as I apply myself.
So waa all you want to the people here who know what they are talking about. Spending your money on prestige will not get you what you want.. my career is already full in swing aside from school and it began before I began college. So I can safely say that the prestige of my current scholastic residence had NOTHING to do with my current job. Skills which I taught myself over the last six years made that possible.
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<< << (they do look at HS grades from transfer students). >>
No, they don't. >>
Well you got me there, I just looked though the app and HS reporting is only for ppl applying as freshman. Since the transfer application is the same form I thought you had to fill that in.
You guys are missing something.
Stanford: 35k/year
Cal: 16k/year
I would consider my family middle class.. I applied for financial aid and my EFC (estimated family contribution) turned out to be higher than the cost of attending any private institution. This means I will be recieving absolutely no need-based aid at all. If I had applied and been accepted to Stanford, I don't think I will go just based on financial considerations alone. So unless you're extremely rich or extremely poor (in which case you'll recieve massive amounts of need-based aid), the financial burden of attending a prestigious private university may be too great. Just be glad you live in CA and have Berkeley as a cheaper, equal alternative.
Cal has an edge in EECS anyway.
BTW, I applied to Cal, got into EECS, will be attending this fall, hopefully graduating in 2005, hence the name
Stanford: 35k/year
Cal: 16k/year
I would consider my family middle class.. I applied for financial aid and my EFC (estimated family contribution) turned out to be higher than the cost of attending any private institution. This means I will be recieving absolutely no need-based aid at all. If I had applied and been accepted to Stanford, I don't think I will go just based on financial considerations alone. So unless you're extremely rich or extremely poor (in which case you'll recieve massive amounts of need-based aid), the financial burden of attending a prestigious private university may be too great. Just be glad you live in CA and have Berkeley as a cheaper, equal alternative.
Cal has an edge in EECS anyway
.BTW, I applied to Cal, got into EECS, will be attending this fall, hopefully graduating in 2005, hence the name
<< Berkeley's undergrad education is HORRIBLE for a top-name school. >>
No it's not.
Argument over.
And amazingly the poll is tied 15/15..who will break it??
I am biased, I had a private school education all my life. Does that answer your question? But hey, what do I know, I go to UCLA....yay for public education!
Seriously, I think you need to evaluate what kind of person you want to be and will be afterward because every school has good and bad things to offer, so it is up to you on how you utilize those things.
Seriously, I think you need to evaluate what kind of person you want to be and will be afterward because every school has good and bad things to offer, so it is up to you on how you utilize those things.
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<< Princeton is about the richest school there is and their departments are far from the top.
Notre Dame, the school with a deal with NBC, is the same as well.
I'd say most experts would agree along the lines of the US News rankings..who are you to doubt them? >>
actually, harvard is the richest school. followed by the university of texas. something like $10 and $9 billion, respectively. of course, UT sends 1/3 of its money to a&m every year, then spreads the rest between about 10 member schools. harvard has the one school.
stanford is the cardinal. a color. it used to be the indians, but back in the 60s the students decided that wasn't very politically correct, and changed it to a color. and the tree... well, bevo and air bevo beat it up. it was funny.
and as for the US news rankings... those are sh!t. two or three years ago caltech came out on top. it was amazing. but thats not the point of the rankings. the point of the rankings is to reinforce the national belief that harvard, princeton, and yale are the 3 top schools in the country. so US news changed the formulas, weighed spending per student more than they did the previous years. which dropped every state school quite a bit. the reason is that state schools have about the same amount of bureaucracy. of course none of this affects academics. but it does affect the overall US news ranking. other things they emphasize is class size, which i personally believe they have the threshold set way too low. even with 200 person class sizes it is still very easy to access the professor and TAs, and get some personal instruction. in fact, the only thing valid in those whole rankings is academic reputation, and you know what? most of that is based on graduate level stuff. so guess what, and i know this is going to rock your world: undergraduate education really doesn't matter. get great grades and you'll get into the berkeleys and the stanfords and the MITs for grad school. or, you can go out in the real world and be competitive with pretty much anyone else with an undergraduate degree.
GoldenBear,
I applaud your defense of Cal but some of your comments are making other Cal students, grads or anyone in the institution look really bad. I just graduated from Berkeley (Haas Business and Poli Sci) and I am as proud of the school as anybody else (except the football program that lost every Big Game during my 4 yrs). They haven't won in 7 or 8 years.
Calm down a little, both Stanford and Berkeley are great. You set yourself up cause there are going to be people who hate Stanford and Berkeley. This was a poll you created. Be a little more objective. Each school has its own strengths and qualities that appeal to certain people. For me, I liked Berkeley cause of the liberal arts program and the diversity of the school. Coming from Canada, I wanted to see as much as possible and Berkeley was for me.
But in the end, graduate from either school, you will have a good job (especially if you are in one of the professional programs).
More importantly though, college isn't about the reputation of the school. College is what you make of it, whereever you go. College is about being on your own (for the first time for many), meeting people that will be your friends for years, learning in with new/different perspectives and growing up!
I use to remember when I was in high school, everybody carried around the US News College Rankings like a bible. But in the end, does it really matter. You just can't compare schools like that. It is more like "so where do you fit in best" and at either campuses cause they are so large, there is a place for everyone.
Darkshadow1,
Unless they have just changed the Haas business program (currently making changes so more people are admitted), admission is the same today as it was for me 4 years ago. High school seniors apply to Berkeley, specify that the intended major is business but there application is reviewed by L&S (Haas has no time to review apps or even care). This means that someone will have the same chance of being admitted if they specified business or english (any L&S major) as their major. Nobody gets admitted to the business program as a new freshman. Once you get to Berkeley, there are requirements needed to be fulfilled to be admitted to Haas. So as a sophomore, you thnm apply to the business school. They then do the reviewing. The reason for this is students change majors so often and do you really know that you want to be a business student after just graduating from high school.
Good luck to anyone going to Berkeley.
Go Bears,
alluu
I applaud your defense of Cal but some of your comments are making other Cal students, grads or anyone in the institution look really bad. I just graduated from Berkeley (Haas Business and Poli Sci) and I am as proud of the school as anybody else (except the football program that lost every Big Game during my 4 yrs). They haven't won in 7 or 8 years.
Calm down a little, both Stanford and Berkeley are great. You set yourself up cause there are going to be people who hate Stanford and Berkeley. This was a poll you created. Be a little more objective. Each school has its own strengths and qualities that appeal to certain people. For me, I liked Berkeley cause of the liberal arts program and the diversity of the school. Coming from Canada, I wanted to see as much as possible and Berkeley was for me.
But in the end, graduate from either school, you will have a good job (especially if you are in one of the professional programs).
More importantly though, college isn't about the reputation of the school. College is what you make of it, whereever you go. College is about being on your own (for the first time for many), meeting people that will be your friends for years, learning in with new/different perspectives and growing up!
I use to remember when I was in high school, everybody carried around the US News College Rankings like a bible. But in the end, does it really matter. You just can't compare schools like that. It is more like "so where do you fit in best" and at either campuses cause they are so large, there is a place for everyone.
Darkshadow1,
Unless they have just changed the Haas business program (currently making changes so more people are admitted), admission is the same today as it was for me 4 years ago. High school seniors apply to Berkeley, specify that the intended major is business but there application is reviewed by L&S (Haas has no time to review apps or even care). This means that someone will have the same chance of being admitted if they specified business or english (any L&S major) as their major. Nobody gets admitted to the business program as a new freshman. Once you get to Berkeley, there are requirements needed to be fulfilled to be admitted to Haas. So as a sophomore, you thnm apply to the business school. They then do the reviewing. The reason for this is students change majors so often and do you really know that you want to be a business student after just graduating from high school.
Good luck to anyone going to Berkeley.
Go Bears,
alluu
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