Poll: Stanford vs. Berkeley

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GoldenBear

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<< That the situation is unacceptable for any school, let alone a supposedly world class university. If Stanford does the same thing, that would also be wrong. >>

Uhh, of course it is. There are class limits, and when you have the smartest and most competitive people competing for those limited spots, it's going to be harder and harder. Why is it so hard....to understand?
 

GoldenBear

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<< For checking for bias, do you go to Cal? Where are you going? Cals a really good school, do you have a grades to get (in if ur still in HS)? I kno you post a lot of topics about Cal and i've always wondered >>

I made that original post as unbias as possible, even trying to be bias to balance it out..if that makes any sense.

It would be an absolute dream to go to Stanford, but I guess I'll end up transferring to Berkeley.

It's like wishing for a Ferrari and end up getting the Porsche..Not bad or anything, but just not THAT good.
 

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<< Uhh, of course it is. There are class limits, and when you have the smartest and most competitive people competing for those limited spots, it's going to be harder and harder. Why is it so hard....to understand? >>



Right, you know cause you are an expert on both Berkeley and Stanford despite having never gone to either school. Standards are fine, but atleast set them to be realistic. 3.7 gpa is not realistic no matter how you cut it.

Either way, I don't feel like arguing about this, it's a waste of my time, like those religious war threads. But for someone who is still in high school and has never actually gone to school at Berkeley, you are way too defensive.

So I'll just leave you with this; during the two years I have gone to school at Cal, I've heard countless of times from my fellow students, berkeley is a sh!thole, I want to get the hell out of here, I hate going to school here, etc.

But I have never once hear a student there say, &quot;I love going to school at Berkeley.&quot; Nothing even remotely close.
 

WasabiCat

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<< It would be an absolute dream to go to Stanford, but I guess I'll end up transferring to Berkeley. >>


i couldn't imagine a guy named GoldenBear going to sTanfURD...... :confused::p
 

darkshadow1

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EECS is nice, but you won't learn anything but CS and EE if you do it. I got into the program but decided to go to UPenn instead...and although I didn't know it then I think I know why Stanford or an Ivy League school might be better for a real education rather than a public one, even if the public is very highly ranked in engineering etc, as Berkeley is.

If you look at the overall rankings, there's a reason why Berkeley is in the low 20's while Stanford is #7. Yes, Berkeley has an outstanding engineering department, and a great business school to boot (Haas). But, in this case it's the stuff not in those rankings that seem to be important when you get there, at least to me.

I chose Penn over Berkeley because of the flexibility it offers in its curriculum, whether it be engineering, business (we have Wharton instead of Haas), or whatever. This flexibility extends to most of the private schools out there, including Stanford. This means that generally if you want to study something else after you get there, fine by them.

Public schools have it a little differently. I'm not bashing public schools, because the two other schools I chose from were UCLA and UC Berkeley, which are both great. But, this applies better if you go in declared in a major that you stick to until you graduate. Flexibility is hard to come by at Berkeley. For example, from what I hear from my friends, it's nearly impossible for an engineering student to take business classes in Haas. You're kind of stuck in your engineering curriculum, and it's pretty hard to switch to something else that may interest you.

Two annoying things I know about Berkeley:
1. If you get into Berkeley as a business major, i.e. Haas, you must re-apply at the end of your sophomore year to get into the actual business school. I really hope I missed a part of the explanation there, since if that's the case, that stinks. :p
2. There is a credit ceiling present at Berkeley. So, if you get a certain number of credits, you must graduate. This makes it very difficult for people to have flexibility in their curriculum. I've never heard of a university punishing its students for trying to expand their academic knowledge, but here we go. This time, I don't think I missed anything as my friend is in a predicament where the credit ceiling shot his academic goals down. What is this, a university or a graduate factory?

Still, it's not like they put a ball and chain on you when you get there...it's just that you have to prod the administration a lot more if you want to do something that is outside the narrow pathway that they've set up for you. Heh, I don't even like Stanford...probably cuz they rejected me though...hehe.

Lastly, money-wise...umm, private schools have dough...dough that they will happily give out if they want to. So...don't always think that a private school is more expensive. :p

As for the rankings in general, they may not say everything about a school, but you can get a lot out of them.
 

GoldenBear

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<< Right, you know cause you are an expert on both Berkeley and Stanford despite having never gone to either school. >>

It's common sense! I don't have to go anywhere to know that.

<< Standards are fine, but atleast set them to be realistic. 3.7 gpa is not realistic no matter how you cut it. >>

What part of having class size limits do you fail to understand? Because of size constraints, they can only accept a certain number of people, and to choose from those people, you have to have a cut-off point somewhere.

<< Either way, I don't feel like arguing about this, it's a waste of my time, like those religious war threads. >>

Oh so you're done?

No wait, you're not...

<< But for someone who is still in high school and has never actually gone to school at Berkeley, you are way too defensive. >>

My God that's such a lame attempt at an insult.

<< So I'll just leave you with this; during the two years I have gone to school at Cal, I've heard countless of times from my fellow students, berkeley is a sh!thole, I want to get the hell out of here, I hate going to school here, etc. >>

You really should tell those 30,000 applicants every year the same thing..

<< But I have never once hear a student there say, &quot;I love going to school at Berkeley.&quot; Nothing even remotely close. >>

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just remember this:
bears piss on trees
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I thought bears copped in the woods, and it was dogs that pissed on trees. :p
 

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I don't really care enough to argue anymore. I saved myself from that wretched place, which is all that I really care about. If you want to go to school there that bad, don't let me stop you.
 

GoldenBear

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<< If you want to go to school there that bad, don't let me stop you. >>

You actually make it sound like your opinion had any value to me.
 

GhettoFob

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<< So I'll just leave you with this; during the two years I have gone to school at Cal, I've heard countless of times from my fellow students, berkeley is a sh!thole, I want to get the hell out of here, I hate going to school here, etc.

But I have never once hear a student there say, &quot;I love going to school at Berkeley.&quot; Nothing even remotely close.
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That is so true. :frown:
 

WasabiCat

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<< So I'll just leave you with this; during the two years I have gone to school at Cal, I've heard countless of times from my fellow students, berkeley is a sh!thole, I want to get the hell out of here, I hate going to school here, etc.

But I have never once hear a student there say, &quot;I love going to school at Berkeley.&quot; Nothing even remotely close.
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i loved going to school at Berkeley :)

seriously... i'm not saying this just to spite OuterSquare or anything like that
but i can understand.. at Cal, you have to SURVIVE. you have to fight for *everything*.. like classes and parking spots and housing and...... it's just so freakin competitive. but once you finish, you know that you are a real survivor
and to those who don't survive.. that's just life
 

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<< You actually make it sound like your opinion had any value to me. >>



LOL, so why did you bother to reply to every single one of my posts?
 

Mork

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<< You actually make it sound like your opinion had any value to me. >>



Goldenbear
You, are by far, the biggest D!ck in this forum man. You proposed a question, and OuterSquare voiced his opinion. Take your lame condescending attitude to the next WWF event, I'm sure you can qualify as a ring builder.
 

GoldenBear

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<< Goldenbear
You, are by far, the biggest D!ck in this forum man. You proposed a question, and OuterSquare voiced his opinion. Take your lame condescending attitude to the next WWF event, I'm sure you can qualify as a ring builder.
>>

You actually make it sound like your opinion had any value to me.
 

Mork

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I couldn't care less whether or not you cared about my opinion. What I do care about is how you blatantly disregard other people's comments when they are just trying to aid you in your little poll.
Weren't u the guy who defended the guy suing AT also?

Do you just like stirring up trouble? Then by all means, go to UCB. They can never get enuff of idiots like you.
 

GhettoFob

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<< at Cal, you have to SURVIVE. you have to fight for *everything*.. like classes and parking spots and housing and...... it's just so freakin competitive. but once you finish, you know that you are a real survivor
and to those who don't survive.. that's just life
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I'm a survivor
I'm not gon' give up
I'm not gon' stop
I'm gon' work harder
I'm a survivor
I'm gonna make it
I will survive
Keep on survivin'

Sorry that was lame :eek::)
 

BD2003

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If your biggest dilemma is whether to go to Stanford or Berkeley, you need a nice bullet in the leg to rearrange your priorites.
 

67gt500

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GoldenBear after reading your nonsense please do go to berkeley.. it is better that those suffering from mental deficiences, particularly like-minded liberals, be unified as one.. this way they feel as though they are accomplishing something when in reality we have isolated them for easy monitoring and regulation.
 

GoldenBear

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<< I couldn't care less whether or not you cared about my opinion. What I do care about is how you blatantly disregard other people's comments when they are just trying to aid you in your little poll. >>


a) He was completely bias against his hatred for Berkeley, and he's made it clear he doesn't like the school.
b) Number two he doesn't understand the concept of class limits and how they apply to prestigiuos schools.
c) He uses lame insults like, &quot;but you're still in high school so you don't know crap&quot;.
d) All the above.

<< Weren't u the guy who defended the guy suing AT also? >>

Based on your profile, aren't you the guy who's been banned and has come back as another name, or otherwise using a new name altogether..which is a no-no?

<< Do you just like stirring up trouble? Then by all means, go to UCB. They can never get enuff of idiots like you. >>

Eh..I'll leave my lame childish remarks to myself..
 

darkshadow1

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Heh...if you're gonna be like that GoldenBear...gee, that's the last time I'll spend my time answering your questions...stay in a jc or something, cuz with that kind of attitute you aren't going to get anywhere.
 

GoldenBear

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<< If your biggest dilemma is whether to go to Stanford or Berkeley, you need a nice bullet in the leg to rearrange your priorites. >>

Another fun list!

a) I did not ask whether I should go to Stanford or Berkeley. I do not even have a chance of going to Stanford.
b) I did not state it was a dilemma at all whether which school was better.
c) I actually did wish I had a dilemma from attending either school.
d) Choosing between a school IS a major decision.
 

67gt500

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Choosing between a school IS a major decision

not unless you are a spoiled brat with the deluded impression that the name of a school will somehow make more of a difference than how you apply yourself.
 

GoldenBear

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<< GoldenBear after reading your nonsense please do go to berkeley.. it is better that those suffering from mental deficiences, particularly like-minded liberals, be unified as one.. this way they feel as though they are accomplishing something when in reality we have isolated them for easy monitoring and regulation. >>

Exactly what have I said that's nonsense?

It'd be particularly nice if you pointed them out specifically instead of stating such opinion as fact. I hope that's not too demanding.

<< Heh...if you're gonna be like that GoldenBear...gee, that's the last time I'll spend my time answering your questions...stay in a jc or something, cuz with that kind of attitute you aren't going to get anywhere. >>

Well okay I'll modifty all my plans because someone on this great message board basing their opinions on my posts told me so..Give me your phone number so I can show you my appreciation one of these days.