POLL: Should the US step up if Taiwan gets attacked?

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: frankie38

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
How's Tibet these days?

You know you have a point.....lets let the South cede from the Union. I think the folks in Alabama have been oppressed too long too!

Bad analogy. Tibet was never part of China. Neither was Xinjiang.

The American government gives large sums of money to Alabama to improve infrastructure, education, social well-being.

China exports Han Chinese into Tibet and Xinjiang and gives them all the jobs in the new industries they create in those regions. The native populations are left jobless and with no sense of identity because of a deliberate process of cultural destuction. The population of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang was 10 million in the early years of Chinese occupation. Now the population is dwindling at about 2 million. What happened to these people? Who knows. Most of them were probably killed by Han Chinese or assimilated in Han Chinese society. The Chinese are like the borg.

What do the Alabamans have to complain about?

 

[frankie38]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
[China exports Han Chinese into Tibet and Xinjiang and gives them all the jobs in the new industries they create in those regions. The native populations are left jobless and with no sense of identity because of a deliberate process of cultural destuction. The population of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang was 10 million in the early years of Chinese occupation. Now the population is dwindling at about 2 million. What happened to these people? Who knows. Most of them were probably killed by Han Chinese or assimilated in Han Chinese society. The Chinese are like the borg.

What do the Alabamans have to complain about?

You are right not a good analogy. I did not go back far enough into American history.
What you are describing sounds familiar. Is this not what we Americans did to our Native Americans that originally inhabited North America?

Do we as Americans have the moral high ground in attacking what other people are doing in their own countries? I think not.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: frankie38

Originally posted by: Proletariat
[China exports Han Chinese into Tibet and Xinjiang and gives them all the jobs in the new industries they create in those regions. The native populations are left jobless and with no sense of identity because of a deliberate process of cultural destuction. The population of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang was 10 million in the early years of Chinese occupation. Now the population is dwindling at about 2 million. What happened to these people? Who knows. Most of them were probably killed by Han Chinese or assimilated in Han Chinese society. The Chinese are like the borg.

What do the Alabamans have to complain about?

You are right not a good analogy. I did not go back far enough into American history.
What you are describing sounds familiar. Is this not what we Americans did to our Native Americans that originally inhabited North America?

Do we as Americans have the moral high ground in attacking what other people are doing in their own countries? I think not.

I think modern America is very different than old America. Modern America is a colorful arrangement of people who are all equal in the eyes of the government. So yes I do think we have the right to stop an imperialistic juggernaut from attacking an ally we have promised in writing to protect.

 

[Triforceofcourage]

Oh no, P&N is trickling over to off topic. Say it aint so!!! Please say it aint so!!!

 

[jammur21]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
If Taiwan was stupid enough to

No.

 

[yhelothar]

How the hell does Taiwan not have sovereignty? What rule does China ever had or imposed on Taiwan?

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: yllus
Absolutely. The alternative is to prove with finality that the U.S. will not stand up against the destruction of democratic countries.

But taiwan is not a democratic, sovereign nation.

Doesn't that depend on whom you ask? The U.S. recognizes the nation of Taiwan. China does not.

The US DOES NOT RECOGNIZE TAIWAN. The US recognizes and respects that Taiwan is a renegade province of China and also has formaly recognized the one China policy.

 

[Locut0s]

Either way RAM and mobo prices would go through the roof.

 

[edmundoab]

Yeap, it will help the economy when taiwan buys weapons from the US
but if they are gonna throw tomahawk missiles like what they did with Iraq..

might loose more then gain

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: yllus
Absolutely. The alternative is to prove with finality that the U.S. will not stand up against the destruction of democratic countries.

But taiwan is not a democratic, sovereign nation.

Doesn't that depend on whom you ask? The U.S. recognizes the nation of Taiwan. China does not.

The US DOES NOT RECOGNIZE TAIWAN. The US recognizes and respects that Taiwan is a renegade province of China and also has formaly recognized the one China policy.

YES, finally someone who knows what he's talking about

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: alexeikgb

Originally posted by: rh71
Stay away from China/Taiwan matters.

 

[LtPage1]

i think we need china's trade more than we like taiwans freedom.

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: LtPage1
i think we need china's trade more than we like taiwans freedom.

Loosing TSMC and all the mobo manufacturers in Taiwan would really hurt the computing and electronic industry. I agree though over all China is a much larger partner.

 

[0roo0roo]

china is governed by a tyranical dictatorship. it should not be alllowed to threaten democratic free peoples.

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
china is governed by a tyranical dictatorship. it should not be alllowed to threaten democratic free peoples.

LOL, says the guy who thinks ipod is the greatest invention since sliced bread.

Care to elaborate on this tyranical dictatorship you speak of? Ps. Don't bring up last millenium's examples.

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: Baked

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
china is governed by a tyranical dictatorship. it should not be alllowed to threaten democratic free peoples.

LOL, says the guy who thinks ipod is the greatest invention since sliced bread.

Care to elaborate on this tyrannical dictatorship you speak of? Ps. Don't bring up last millenium's examples.

Well they do suppress freedom of speech, freedom of the press etc.. and vocal dissidents will be quickly jailed and or executed. However this isn't a "tyrannical dictatorship" ala the type you see in movies and such, if you lived there now you would be perfectly comfortable 99.99% of the time unless you spoke up politically.

 

[OulOat]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: frankie38

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
How's Tibet these days?

You know you have a point.....lets let the South cede from the Union. I think the folks in Alabama have been oppressed too long too!

Bad analogy. Tibet was never part of China. Neither was Xinjiang.

The American government gives large sums of money to Alabama to improve infrastructure, education, social well-being.

China exports Han Chinese into Tibet and Xinjiang and gives them all the jobs in the new industries they create in those regions. The native populations are left jobless and with no sense of identity because of a deliberate process of cultural destuction. The population of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang was 10 million in the early years of Chinese occupation. Now the population is dwindling at about 2 million. What happened to these people? Who knows. Most of them were probably killed by Han Chinese or assimilated in Han Chinese society. The Chinese are like the borg.

What do the Alabamans have to complain about?

I dunno why you are defending Tibetians when they used to be warmongers. Both China and India were invaded by Tibet back in the day. They only became passificist after Chinese and Indian princesses (ie, payments) brought over Buddhism. One shouldn't be pro-Tibet/anti-China or anti-Tibet/pro-China in this argument; Tibet had it coming.

I bet most of you don't even know that Tibet was once invaded by the British. For more history, go to this pro Tibet website

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Baked

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
china is governed by a tyranical dictatorship. it should not be alllowed to threaten democratic free peoples.

LOL, says the guy who thinks ipod is the greatest invention since sliced bread.

Care to elaborate on this tyranical dictatorship you speak of? Ps. Don't bring up last millenium's examples.

if you posted in p&n in china...you'd be umm...dissapeared already. don't let the economic improvement fool you, freedom doesn't exist in china.

 

[0roo0roo]

plus, they are conplicit in the starving of a million people in north korea. all in the name of stability, and preserving their one party hold on power.

 

[hdeck]

we are obligated to help them, so yes.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
No idea.

Can't we all just live in peace?

You better stop taunting me.

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: yllus
Absolutely. The alternative is to prove with finality that the U.S. will not stand up against the destruction of democratic countries.

But taiwan is not a democratic, sovereign nation.

Doesn't that depend on whom you ask? The U.S. recognizes the nation of Taiwan. China does not.

The US DOES NOT RECOGNIZE TAIWAN. The US recognizes and respects that Taiwan is a renegade province of China and also has formaly recognized the one China policy.

I stand corrected. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Analog]

The U.S. doesn't give a damn about democracy. Its all about money, resources and ideology. Look at what the U.S. did in Iran back in '52. They overthrew a beautifully democratic government and put the shah in as a dictator. Only because of the oil, and nothing else.

The old argument of democratic ideals is hogwash, and everyone knows it. Iraq is the same way - again, if there was no oil there, we wouldn't be in there right now.

 

[Wheatmaster]

look at US history, then you will know why china wants taiwan back.

 

[chris7b]

Might as well...we like sticking our noses in other peoples' business