POLL: Should the US step up if Taiwan gets attacked?

[spacejamz]

if someone invaded Turkey, would Greece help???:laugh:

 

[Nitemare]

Set up some nukes in Taiwan. Point them towards Beijing, Shanghei and Hong Kong.

China will not do anything.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Tiqua
Legally the US has to defend Taiwan if China attacks. It was enacted 10 April 1979, Taiwan Relations Act. This was passed when US moved official recognition of "China" from Taipei to Beijing (Peking).

As to whether China has legit "rights" to claim Taiwan as a province or not is debatable and changes with who you ask. If you ask my parents, no China has no claim on Taiwan. But if you ask people from mainland China, China has claim to Taiwan.

This is because mainland China only lets information favorable to Red China filter down....

I say fvck China and protect democracy.

 

[wahoyaho]

China has no right

 

[Wheatmaster]

Originally posted by: wahoyaho
China has no right

North did the same to the South. Why can't China do the same?
Personally i think it is best the way it is now.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster

Originally posted by: wahoyaho
China has no right

North did the same to the South. Why can't China do the same?
Personally i think it is best the way it is now.

The North was wrong to do that as well. Abraham Lincoln wiped his ass with the Constitution when he declared war.

 

[CaBoOse999]

The US has stated that they would protect Taiwan. China doesn't have the balls to bother with them.

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I kept it out of P&N because it's not political--it's military!

Maybe they should change it to Government Doings & News? Then would it fit in there?

 

[Wheatmaster]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster

Originally posted by: wahoyaho
China has no right

North did the same to the South. Why can't China do the same?
Personally i think it is best the way it is now.

The North was wrong to do that as well. Abraham Lincoln wiped his ass with the Constitution when he declared war.

yeah but all they were trying to do was preserve the union. so your saying if the South right now left and become a seperate country, the United States should do nothing about it.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster

Originally posted by: wahoyaho
China has no right

North did the same to the South. Why can't China do the same?
Personally i think it is best the way it is now.

The North was wrong to do that as well. Abraham Lincoln wiped his ass with the Constitution when he declared war.

yeah but all they were trying to do was preserve the union. so your saying if the South right now left and become a seperate country, the United States should do nothing about it.

I wouldn't have a problem with it...

Maybe we could deport all the politically correct people, trial lawyers and welfare recipients to the North.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster

Originally posted by: wahoyaho
China has no right

North did the same to the South. Why can't China do the same?
Personally i think it is best the way it is now.

this is more like the north breaking away from the south.


one side is clearly morally in the wrong, although i will be the first to admit that the civil war was not faught over slavery, and more about nationalism etc (at least on the northern end)

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster

Originally posted by: wahoyaho
China has no right

North did the same to the South. Why can't China do the same?
Personally i think it is best the way it is now.

The North was wrong to do that as well. Abraham Lincoln wiped his ass with the Constitution when he declared war.

yeah but all they were trying to do was preserve the union. so your saying if the South right now left and become a seperate country, the United States should do nothing about it.

I wouldn't have a problem with it...

Maybe we could deport all the politically correct people, trial lawyers and welfare recipients to the North.

Hey now... we don't want those morons.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Isn't it akin to China interfering with a US invasion of Cuba? If Cuba used to be a state? So nope. Sorry to have to say it, but you must pick your battles, and Taiwan just isn't worth WWIII.

We had some provinces break away once because they wanted a different form of government...and we kicked the living sh*t out of them for it.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
Isn't it akin to China interfering with a US invasion of Cuba? If Cuba used to be a state? So nope. Sorry to have to say it, but you must pick your battles, and Taiwan just isn't worth WWIII.

We had some provinces break away once because they wanted a different form of government...and we kicked the living sh*t out of them for it.

Be more like China interfering with a US invasion of Puerto Rico

 

[Atomicus]

HK was financially stable and strong without unification. Taiwan is the same.
The only reason that I could think of for absorbing Taiwan into China is for their technology manufacturing capabilities (microprocessor, superconductors, etc).
They finally realized bamboo does not make efficient breadboards :roll:

 

[Drizzy]

WWIII is around the corner...

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: yllus
In this impossible scenario, yes, no matter who was in the White House - the U.S. would get involved. As cynical as may sound, it would be best to give China a little slap and keep their hands off of Taiwan rather than enbolden them to expand, knowing that the U.S. will do nothing. It's a must-do.
(The cynicism is completely fitting considering the scenario being discussed.)

Actually, considering what happened with Hitler and Poland, I have to agree with you here. Perhaps this particular scenario wouldn't be "just about the oil" after all. In that case, the political posturing would revolve more around "preventing Chinese territorial expansion", rather than strictly "protecting Taiwan". I hadn't fully considered that aspect I guess.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Stark
WWIII will probably be USA vs China
I'd rather not start it over Taiwan.

I can see the headlines now... "Wal-Mart starts WWWIII"... "Discount DVD Decks Destroy Democracy"...

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Again, this is why the smart people go to P and N.

http://www.taiwandc.org/wsj-2000-03.htm">Taiwans maturing democracy</a>

If America does not stand up for its ally and fight the Imperialist Chinese, it will look very bad for the 'beacon of worldwide democracy'.

Right, it's democratic, but it's not sovereign, and there is nothing imperialistic about wanting to keep part of one's country intact. The US would not tolerate California wanting to split now, would it?

Because you will only accept the presupposition that taiwan is not sovereign to begin with that wou will never accept the viewpoint that Taiwan shouldn't be annexed by a hostile force. The truth is, Taiwan sovereignty lies in a purely gray area where it is neither outright a part of china or indepenent. They have a separate economy, language, political system, etc, and presently maintains an ambiguous stance in order to appease both sides of the straight.

Heck, the US sometimes says China and Taiwan are one, yet sells bilions of dollars in weapons to Taiwan, treat it as a separate economy, and sells offensive weapons and missile interceptors to Taiwan's military to counter China, as well as promise to defend Taiwan with military strength if they do threaten to become one. Frances sells weapons to Taiwan, and so does the Dutch, as does everyone else, however keeping the ambiguous position to maintain good standings with China. In my opinion, actions speak louder than words.

You keep mindlessly chanting that Taiwan is not completely soveriegn, but can you say that Taiwan is actually NOT sovereign?

Due to location, Taiwan is definitely a strategic ally. Preservation of Taiwan is preserving the companies that make a heck of a ton of stuff that you use. Taiwan definitely has done is fare amount of contributions to the world. In addition, Taiwan is probably the strongest symbolic influence of democracy in asia.

I'd say protect the democratic nation from a communist takeover. There's definitely a clear cut reasoning here comparable to any other occurrence when the United States went to war.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: ed21x

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Again, this is why the smart people go to P and N.

http://www.taiwandc.org/wsj-2000-03.htm">Taiwans maturing democracy</a>

If America does not stand up for its ally and fight the Imperialist Chinese, it will look very bad for the 'beacon of worldwide democracy'.

Right, it's democratic, but it's not sovereign, and there is nothing imperialistic about wanting to keep part of one's country intact. The US would not tolerate California wanting to split now, would it?

Because you will only accept the presupposition that taiwan is not sovereign to begin with that wou will never accept the viewpoint that Taiwan shouldn't be annexed by a hostile force. The truth is, Taiwan sovereignty lies in a purely gray area where it is neither outright a part of china or indepenent. They have a separate economy, language, political system, etc, and presently maintains an ambiguous stance in order to appease both sides of the straight.

Heck, the US sometimes says China and Taiwan are one, yet sells bilions of dollars in weapons to Taiwan, treat it as a separate economy, and sells offensive weapons and missile interceptors to Taiwan's military to counter China, as well as promise to defend Taiwan with military strength if they do threaten to become one. Frances sells weapons to Taiwan, and so does the Dutch, as does everyone else, however keeping the ambiguous position to maintain good standings with China. In my opinion, actions speak louder than words.

You keep mindlessly chanting that Taiwan is not completely soveriegn, but can you say that Taiwan is actually NOT sovereign?

Due to location, Taiwan is definitely a strategic ally. Preservation of Taiwan is preserving the companies that make a heck of a ton of stuff that you use. Taiwan definitely has done is fare amount of contributions to the world. In addition, Taiwan is probably the strongest symbolic influence of democracy in asia.

I'd say protect the democratic nation from a communist takeover. There's definitely a clear cut reasoning here comparable to any other occurrence when the United States went to war.

Yes, as a protector of democracy and freedom we are obligated to step in.

 

[DigitalX]

I am Taiwanese, Never Chinese

If Taiwan is not a nation, I guess I will be in the movie "The Terminal II"


I know how Iraq has done with the American willingness to defend Taiwan.

Just sell Taiwan the weapons and we will do the dying when the time comes.


One more thing I might add, China is not and will never be a Friend to the U.S. as long as the Communist are in Power, So stop buying stuff "Made in China"