Poll regarding Obamacare

[monovillage]

Can you change your Titles actual name of the National healthcare law?

Even you don't seem to know the name of it.

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA)

Most people know it as Obamacare , it's a title everyone understands.

 

[fskimospy]

Nice troll thread, but it's sort of funny that it's turned into unintentional ownage of the OP. He has repeatedly talked about how things like this were hidden from people.

 

[bfdd]

Nice troll thread, but it's sort of funny that it's turned into unintentional ownage of the OP. He has repeatedly talked about how things like this were hidden from people.

Uh. How does that shatter his point? Generally hidden things are costly, that's why they're hidden. So if to many things are hidden I can assume that they're costly and because they're costly, it's going to raise my costs. It's simple deduction retards. I don't understand why you freaks think this is some how ownage? My costs went up, I knew they were going to go up because more people need to be covered. It's fucking simple math.

 

[fskimospy]

Uh. How does that shatter his point? Generally hidden things are costly, that's why they're hidden. So if to many things are hidden I can assume that they're costly and because they're costly, it's going to raise my costs. It's simple deduction retards. I don't understand why you freaks think this is some how ownage? My costs went up, I knew they were going to go up because more people need to be covered. It's fucking simple math.

Because his point was that people supported the ACA without knowing such costs were going to happen.

At least that's how it breaks down for us freaks and retards. Maybe now that the health care bill has passed you can get some anger management therapy.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Did anybody really know much about the bill before it was passed?

"But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy." - Nancy Pelosi (aka Queen of Waivers)

 

[fskimospy]

Did anybody really know much about the bill before it was passed?

"But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy." - Nancy Pelosi (aka Queen of Waivers)

Does anyone really know much about the details of any legislation before it is passed? People generally know broad strokes about what's going on. The ACA was subject to a heavily coordinated misinformation campaign for months however, so there was a lot of bad information floating around.

I bet you that Pelosi is eventually proven 100% correct.

 

[Ausm]

Even you don't seem to know the name of it.

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA)

Most people know it as Obamacare , it's a title everyone understands.

I call the Affordable Healthcare Act and I doubt you know more about this subject then I do.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I bet you that Pelosi is eventually proven 100% correct.

And I have little doubt that this is true.

 

[shadow9d9]

Did anybody really know much about the bill before it was passed?

"But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy." - Nancy Pelosi (aka Queen of Waivers)

Considering the only "information" you got out of republicans the whole time was nonsense about death panels, she was absolutely right. And yes, the information was widely available at the time of the bill's passage, right here on the internet. You had to educate yourself instead of listening to pundits and republican congressman lies.

 

[Ausm]

And I have little doubt that this is true.

Take a deep breath you'll get through it man. :awe:

 

[shadow9d9]

Even you don't seem to know the name of it.

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA)

Most people know it as Obamacare , it's a title everyone understands.

No, most people know that republicans call it obamacare as a way to incite anger at the fact that it was signed by Obama, who isn't a republican. It was orchestrated that way from the start. You can't name something for your political benefit and then claim afterwards that now "everyone knows it this way" and be expected to be taken seriously.

 

[PokerGuy]

Of course I knew health care would become more expensive for younger and healthier workers. I knew that because with this steaming pile of dung of obummercare legislation, EVERYONE's cost of care is going to go way up and the level of care is going to go way down. No surprises there.

 

[Ausm]

Of course I knew health care would become more expensive for younger and healthier workers. I knew that because with this steaming pile of dung of obummercare legislation, EVERYONE's cost of care is going to go way up and the level of care is going to go way down. No surprises there.

Please list all the provisions you find offensive and the second question is are you old enough to buy your own Healthcare?

I bet you don't like the following:


If you own a small business with fewer than 25 full time-equivalent employees, you may qualify for a small business tax credit to help offset the costs of covering your employees. Small business owners can visit www.irs.gov/sbhtc to learn more.

Employer-based plans that provide health insurance to retirees ages 55-64 can get financial help through the Early Retiree Reinsurance Program. This program is designed to maintain health coverage for retirees, workers, and employers. Visit www.errp.gov to learn more.

If your worker has been uninsured because of a pre-existing condition, he or she may be eligible to join the Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan. To find out about plans available in your state, visit www.pcip.gov.

If you are in a new insurance plan, insurance companies cannot charge you or your workers a deductible or copays for recommended preventive services, like mammograms and flu shots. See a list of preventive services that will be covered without copays.

Insurance companies are prohibited from capping the dollar amount of care you or your workers can receive in a lifetime, or dropping your coverage due to a mistake on your application when you get sick.

Insurance companies must spend at least 80% of your premium dollars on health care and quality improvements instead of overhead, salaries, or administrative expenses – or provide you and your workers a rebate.
Anyone can visit HealthCare.gov and access a personalized list of private insurance plans, public programs, and community services that are available to you.

This only the small business benefit would you like me to list more?

Oh what the hell...benefits for Seniors

Seniors on Medicare are now eligible to obtain certain preventive services, like mammograms and colonoscopies, potentially with no out-of-pocket cost. See a list of preventive services that will be covered without part B deductibles or copays.

Seniors on Medicare can now get an annual wellness exam from your participating physician or health professional for free. Speak with your doctor for more details.

Seniors who fall into the Medicare prescription drug coverage gap known as the donut hole will receive a 50% discount on covered brand name prescription drugs and lower copays for generic drugs. You don’t need to take any action to receive this benefit.

You may be able to receive care from health teams that will coordinate your care so you won’t have to see multiple doctors who don’t work together. For more information, ask your doctors if they’re part of a team of providers or have otherwise taken advantage of Medicare’s options to promote patient-centered care.
If you’re enrolled in traditional Medicare, the changes from the law could save you more than $3,500 in health care expenses over the next 10 years.

I can't wait until the GOP repeals this fucker so Seniors will have to pay out of the ass for their Meds because the doughnut hole will be reinstated.

 

[soundforbjt]

Healthcare costs are and have always gone up.

 

[Fern]

Actually, I'd like to point out that anyone who answers yes to something before "Obamacare" was passed is lying. Remember, the ACA was soooooooooo important that it had to be voted on before anyone got to read it.

Perhaps I'm mis-remembering, but I thought we knew some of the general themes of it, like younger/healthy would be paying more to subsidize others.

I thought there was lot of discussion of cost-shifting and how covering known pre-conditions weren't really 'insurance' as the term is properly known.

Sure, there are a bunch details that weren't known. Heck, many of the details weren't even in the legislation, instead they are being added later as regulations written by bureaucrats in DHHS etc.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Of course. They think they are invulnerable. Not going to get into a car accident. Not going to have to go to the ER for an OD. Not going to get into some JACKASS style accident. So yes. They should be in the pool to pay for the rididulous amount of money they are going to cost the health care system, like the rest of us in the last 2 months of their lives. How else are DR's going to get to play God.

This country is a WE society not a a ME society.

All of the things you mentioned would have already been taken into account in the statistics for that age group and gender.

Fern

 

[PokerGuy]

Please list all the provisions you find offensive and the second question is are you old enough to buy your own Healthcare?

The answer to part one of your question would need it's own thread. In fact, there have already been about a 10000 of them on the subject. As for being old enough, I've been buying my own healthcare for at least 15 years.

 

[PokerGuy]

Healthcare costs are and have always gone up.

Yep, but now they're going to go up much quicker than before, and (unlike in the past), they are going to go up while the level of care goes down. The shortage of PCP's is going to get much much worse when you add 30 million new patients without doing something to add providers.

 

[soundforbjt]

Yep, but now they're going to go up much quicker than before, and (unlike in the past), they are going to go up while the level of care goes down. The shortage of PCP's is going to get much much worse when you add 30 million new patients without doing something to add providers.

You can blame the AMA for that.

 

[Ausm]

Healthcare costs are and have always gone up.

We have a winnar!!

 

[Ausm]

The answer to part one of your question would need it's own thread. In fact, there have already been about a 10000 of them on the subject. As for being old enough, I've been buying my own healthcare for at least 15 years.

Then start your thread....list your grievances I am looking forward to seeing it.

 

[PokerGuy]

You can blame the AMA for that.

You can blame the AMA for restricting the available supply, but they are not the ones adding 30 million new patients to a pool when there's an existing shortage or providers. The end result will be the same regardless: much lower level of care, much longer wait times to see a PCP, and much higher costs. Thanks obummer!

 

[PokerGuy]

Then start your thread....list your grievances I am looking forward to seeing it.

As I stated, there are thousands of threads on the subject, the search function is your friend.

 

[Ausm]

Yep, but now they're going to go up much quicker than before, and (unlike in the past), they are going to go up while the level of care goes down. The shortage of PCP's is going to get much much worse when you add 30 million new patients without doing something to add providers.

Please put up a link to that data, I would love to see it.

 

[Ausm]

As I stated, there are thousands of threads on the subject, the search function is your friend.

So basically your're full of shit....