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optimus> I was not trying to give a hidden blow with out you seeing it. I was hoping that you would see it. As for all the name calling, I can take a little heat, just as I'm sure you can. When you so called "flamed me to a crisp" in another thread, you did so with out any truly good reason. I did not know you then and you went a bit over board. Now as for other people ignoring me on here, this could be true but, that's ok. I enjoy talking to people on here and I know there will be some that don't like what I have to say. Now about me not telling you my religion and so on. I choice not to disclose that because when I was asked in that older thread to disclose my faith, lack of or what ever, I did not because that would have taken away from the topic of choice at the time. We can argue back and forth all day and I can call you an #@$ and you can call me an $%^ of a $%^&* and so on but in the end I think we both acted extremely rude to one another. You might see your self as right but I would disagree, just as I was not right on my part. I will offer my hand and put an end to this BS right now. You can accept it and know that I take responsability for the negativity I said towrds you and you for your part or, you can choose not to.

 
Why does everything seem so "perfect"? I have heard creationists say that the "perfectness" proves that the world was created. But it doesn't. Of course humans and other creatuers seem perfect for their surroundings. millions of years of evolution has made sure that only the fittest survive. Those who are not "perfect" for their surroundings don't survive.

It's evolution at work.
 
i think if you looked at every planet in the universe and look at every beach on each planet eventually you would find one with a set of rocks that spelled out "hello". you would probably find a set that spelled "bad analogy" too.




<< Okay, lets all pretend that were scientists for a minute and be scientific. Imagine that we are on the beach observing the nature that is around us and on the shore we see a group of rocks that spell the word &quot;hello&quot; in the sand. We can either say that by pure chance, maybe the waves brought those rocks in and miraculously spelt the word or we can say some kind of intelligent being placed those rocks there to spell &quot;hello.&quot; What is more probable? I would say that of course some inteligent being placed those rocks there because it would be next to impossible for something random to create such intricate patterns. Now if we look at the greater picture of the world around us, I don't think such perfection can be formed out of some random mesh of things evolving. Just my two cents. >>

 
loosliptcomptrola - if moonbeam was to post in favor of creation he would say something obtuse like that.
 
<<loosliptcomptrola:

then how do you explain the face made of sand on mars? martians? or chance?

see my point? >>

i really don't see what your saying here, but i understand your jist.
on the side note.




i'm not saying it's so, but i think it is really possible that we aren't the only ones in the universe. i mean, if God created us, who's to say he never created any other planet. it's a big possiblity. and for those who doesn't believe in God, then if it could happen here on earth, then it most definatly can happen somewhere else.

non-believers: if you don't think it's possible. then you are very closed minded(which explains why you are a non-beleiver) or stupid.(no offense)
believers: if you don't think it's possible then please be more open minded.
 


<< non-believers: if you don't think it's possible. then you are very closed minded(which explains why you are a non-beleiver) or stupid >>



I think anything is possible. I just haven't seen one shred of evidence suggesting that God or Creation is a reality. All I see is a bunch of people basing their lives on a book written 2000+ years ago. A book that's full of holes, mistakes, contradictions and errors. I think people basing their lives on that kind of book are either mindless cattle who are unable to think for themselves or just plain stupid (no offense).
 


<< If matter and energy have always existed, then how can any concept of time be reckoned? At what point did the big bang &quot;happen&quot;, and if matter always existed, why didn't the bang happen sooner? >>

Simple: before the big bang, there was no time-dimension, so when the big bang happened, time started because the time-dimension was formed. There is no 'time' before the big bang.


<< If we believe in cause and effect, then what is the cause of that motion? >>

Why should there be a cause? In Quantum Mechanics, causality works totally different compared to on a larger scale, like our world. Basically it comes down to that something can occur without cause, like a particle which is formed and disappears 'out of thin air'. This is a reason why a perfect vacuum is impossible, there will always particles be formed and decay in it. Like such a particle can just 'pop up' in a vacuum, the big bang could have occurred.
 
Yasha:

Fine. You did start this in this thread by directly picking out my opinion and making some derogatory comments, and yes - I then replied very negatively. I'm not perfect, prick me an I bleed and get royally pissed, eh?

I accept the offer to stop this, and I will not continue fighting about it with you.
 
AdamDuritz99:

i was talking about his HELLO in the sand argument. his point is that odds are a human(intelligent being) took the rocks and put them in that order and they didn't fall there by chance.

now, on mars there is a huge almost mountain sized image of a face made out of mounds of sand ( if you haven't seen it, do a search it isn't hard to find a pic of it ). according to his argument the face would have been made from an intelligent being, when in all probability it was made from wind and pure chance alignment of rocks.

it was a phrase to nullify his comment.
 
<<I think anything is possible. I just haven't seen one shred of evidence suggesting that God our Creation is a reality. All I see is a bunch of people basing their lives on a book written 2000+ years ago. A book that's full of holes, mistakes, contradictions and errors. I think people basing their lives on that kind of book are either mindless cattle who are unable to think for themselves or just plain stupid (no offense). >>

hey, man, i said if you don't think it's possible. i'm not calling non-believers stupid. you have your own opinion on the bible. i agree there is a lot of weird things in there, i really don't understand somethings. but we both agree it was written 2000+ years ago. please explain to me how the bible predicted things that's comming about now. if your going to say it's a quoincedent(sp?) please don't respond back the this post. i've heard that one way to many times. if you really do have a good explanation, please share in detail b/c i really like learning different people opinions and how people see in different ways.


peace
sean
 
Optimus> I'm glad to hear that. And yes, I did start it with you in this thread, I admit that. I was a bit angry over our last encounter. I think the net already has enough &quot;thread-fury&quot; and I'm glad we end this on a polite note.

Thanks
 
Cattlegod, this 'face' on Mars' surface was visible on an old photo an old space vehicle took in the sixties (I think). Later pictures make it clear that this 'face' is only visible under certain light-conditions and with the old cameras used for space probes in that time.
 
How the bible predicted the future? Has it predicted the future? I mean, people have been studying it for centuries, and how many times have they told us the date when the World is going to end? Time after time they have been proven wrong.

If you referring to the &quot;Bible-code&quot; (is that the correct term?). I think it's more or less similar to Nostradamus and his predictions. There are so many ways to intrepet the predictions, so people can see whatever they want in them.

So, after something has happened, it's easy to say that &quot;Look the bible predicted this!&quot;. I would for once see a accurate prediction that's made public BEFORE the actual event! then we could see that are those predictions real.
 


<< Cattlegod, this 'face' on Mars' surface was visible on an old photo an old space vehicle took in the sixties (I think). Later pictures make it clear that this 'face' is only visible under certain light-conditions and with the old cameras used for space probes in that time. >>



interesting, that goes to prove chance even more. what are the chances humans would have developed a certain type of camera and taken a picture and out of all space on mars in that exact moment with those exact lighting conditions and then have us humans describe it as a face? if you look at the chances of anything like that happening, anyone would say you were crazy that something like that could happen.

if you ask me, that is even more extraordinary
 
If you generalize and use hyperbole, you can pretty much take credit for predicting anything.

I predict that there will be a storm tomorrow.

I predict great suffering in 2002

I predict a people will rise up and free itself from bondage.

whoopadeedo!
 
now, on mars there is a huge almost mountain sized image of a face made out of mounds of sand ( if you haven't seen it, do a search it isn't hard to find a pic of it ). according to his argument the face would have been made from an intelligent being, when in all probability it was made from wind and pure chance alignment of rocks.

I think when you talk about the face on mars its like looking at the clouds and seeing some shapes that resemble something familiar. The object that we are looking at can be objective. If I turn the picture upside-down it may look like a dragon or something. Letters spelling something inteligible and biological components of living things however serve a specific function, they are subjective.
 


<< this is like 2 bling guys arguing about what color the sky is. >>


more like one guy saying that the sky is blue because of the bending of light as it comes through the atmosphere and the other guy saying because it's said so in a book.
 


<<

<< this is like 2 bling guys arguing about what color the sky is. >>


more like one guy saying that the sky is blue because of the bending of light as it comes through the atmosphere and the other guy saying because it's said so in a book. >>


What if &quot;Blue&quot; to one blind guy is really &quot;Red&quot; to another blind guy?
 
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