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There is no reason that the two cannot co-exist. I don't have a problem believing that God is capable of creating a changing (or "evolving&quot😉 world that caters to "adaptation/natural selection."

1. Do I believe that human beings are exactly the same now as they were 50,000+ years ago?...NO (nor any other animal)

2. Do I believe that humans & other animals have slowly changed, adapted or "evolved" gradually over time?...YES

3. Do I believe that God created humankind, the Earth, and the rest of the Universe?...YES

4. Do I know "who created God"...NO

5. Does it really matter that I know who created GOD?...NO

6. Am I tired of these threads started solely for the purpose of pissing people off?...YES
 
Evolution with out a doubt! What you don't know or understand conveniently gets forwarded to religion for explanation, wrapped up in a nice little box of acception.
 
Eventually everybody comes to this issue for the first time. For some it can become an important one worth an investment of time and effort repeatedly. What I get tired of is people who want to shut down the discussion because they are tired of the issue or have come to the conclusion that nobody changes their mind or the intention is to piss people off. I find these kinds of mind reading skills rather remarkable.

There is, of course, one obvious reason to end the debate. Evolution is a fact. 😀
 
Bleeding Jawa:


<< 4. Do I know &quot;who created God&quot;...NO

5. Does it really matter that I know who created GOD?...NO >>

FWIW, I don't expect or want an answer to those questions. I just brought them up to be a pain in the ass because delusional there was being an idiot.

I repsect that some people believe that God created the universe, I have no problem with that. I don't know all the answers to evolution, why should you know all the answers to creationism?

I only want people like delusional that think he can disprove evolution in a 2 paragraph post on some message board somewhere to answer those questions.

I have no problem whatsoever with your (or his) belief in God/Creationism.
 


<< Evolution is a fact >>


Find me evidence... Oh yeah, I forgot, THERE ISNT ANY! Because it is a THEORY, not FACT!
 
<< Yawp...why argue something we can't definitely prove? (And please don't argue about what I just said)

Evolution is extremely hard to prove, not impossible. So far, we argue for evolution by the historical records found in geological strata, extrapolation, and inferrence of current day &quot;species&quot; growth. But this is something some people can't accept as scientific evidence due to the speculation. I think the question isn't how to prove evolution, but what is acceptable evidence.

I put species in quotations since there's also a debate in what defines a species, especially when you consider body structure and habitat. e.g. Two creatures may live in entirely different parts of the world but share the same climate, look and are structurally identical, but are classified as two different species. In this case, geographical separation is the definition of species and that doesn't sit well with some scientists.
 
Everybody's wonderin' what and where they they all came from
everybody's worryin' 'bout where they're gonna go
when the whole thing's done
but no one knows for certain
and so it's all the same to me
I think I'll just let the mystery be

----Iris Dement

 
Every month or two we have to revisit this thread and all the ignorant flame baiters come out. In this case we have delusional talking out of his rear end.

In short, delusional, we mock what we do not understand.

FYI - evolution is a proven fact. It's mechanisms are subject to theory. Creation has not yet been proved or disproved, but religious beliefs are guided by faith rather than science anyway.

The two are not incompatible.
 


<< Yawp...why argue something we can't definitely prove? (And please don't argue about what I just said) >>




<< Evolution set in motion and started (created) by God. >>




<< Find me evidence... Oh yeah, I forgot, THERE ISNT ANY! Because it is a THEORY, not FACT! >>



i'm not gonna bother anymore. i do beleive in evolution, but not as the starting block

i'm not 12 years old. if you check some past threads, you would see my age

i have been in biology and chemistry

it just pisses me off when people think of evolution as the only possible way. i think it's creationism and then evolution

also, if you wanan start with &quot;where did God come from?&quot; then where did the original matter come from? where did anything come from? lol. so yeah

don't bother argueing anymore. i won't bother anymore
 
Find me evidence... Oh yeah, I forgot, THERE ISNT ANY! Because it is a THEORY, not FACT!

The process of evolution has been observed in many species over a long period of time. If you don't believe it occurs talk to any biology lecturer or do a search, you will find plentiful evidence
 
i have a few things to say

a) i don't know if it matters but some people have a hrd time believing in evolution because its hard ti understand how it started. simple really, an electrical current(lightning) passing through certain atoms makes a simple enzhyme(sp?) which with a few billion years could evolve to us.

b) have you ever looked at your eye, a cats eye in a sidways profile is better, but think about the fact that you have cells that are clear like glass, that always tripped me out.

c) have you ever had a dream about some event, then months later that event happens exactly like you dreampt it? if i never had any of those i might completely discount a pre-set order of things or a higher power, but who knows?

d) half of me thinks there more to life than we know and half doesn't, threads like these help me argue with myself.

so i would like to think that these threads do serve a purpose.
 


<< a) i don't know if it matters but some people have a hrd time believing in evolution because its hard ti understand how it started. simple really, an electrical current(lightning) passing through certain atoms makes a simple enzhyme(sp?) which with a few billion years could evolve to us.
>>


That isn't necessarily how it started. Experiments have shown it is possible to create complex molecules in this manner, but the origin in life (from an evolutionary perspective) is not known.



<< so i would like to think that these threads do serve a purpose. >>


I would too, but too often they devolve into 2 sides talking at each other. We seem to have more than the usually numbers of &quot;BOTHers&quot; in this thread...
 
That isn't necessarily how it started. Experiments have shown it is possible to create complex molecules in this manner, but the origin in life (from an evolutionary perspective) is not known

which with a few billion years could evolve to us, knowing that there was a plausible explanation of why life exists can help some, like me, contemplate evolution.

i think its a micheal crighton book that says something like random evolution ending with us is like a tornado in a junk yard making a working 747.


edit: me no type good 2 am
 
I thought we had evolved beyond the point to have such useless, fscking, mind-numbing, flame-baiting, troll-attracting, nef-pleasuring, mental-masturbation inducing piece of sh!t threads like this.

Get a fscking life, get back to work, get on to something productive, for chrissakes. I con?t believe you are still arguing over this! Everyone knows that the earth exists on the back of a large turtle, and the lights in the heavens are nothing more than the lamps in the houses of the millions of gods that look over us.
 


<< i always like to see regious people try to make look like their regious is very scientific
i have people told me that bible hint that earth circle around the sun.
I ask them, taking history class lately?
she say really, look, first there just darkness, then god creat the light. it's so clear the darkness is the night, then the light is the day with the sun.
I say, if you wasn't so hot, I did walk away by now >>


I always like to see people who think they are smart, but in actuality can not spell or punctuate for their life let alone grammar.


<< Also I heard it stated that based on the numbers that with the number of planets that are in the universe, that it is likely that there are at least 1000 planets out there with intelligent life similar to, or more intelligent than humans. Evolution requires alot of things to occur. It's a million to one chance that anything can go right. But there are billions of planets out there, and it's chance that on our planet we had the right conditions. >>


Now which planets are these again? This is circular reasoning.


<< As far as creationism though, it technically isn't even a theory, because it uses no evidence, no facts, no logical thought. Evolution always has and always will get my vote. >>


This is complete BS. The reason you arrogantly and ignorantly say this is because you haven't looked and haven't tried. There is much more evidence to creation than evolution, but ignorance is bliss to you I guess.


<< webs between fingers and toes etc. are all there? Because they were created that way? Wake up... >>


I don't know what you guys are doing up the Netherlands, but I sure don't have webbed feet.


<< FYI - evolution is a proven fact. It's mechanisms are subject to theory. Creation has not yet been proved or disproved, but religious beliefs are guided by faith rather than science anyway. >>


No, you've been brainwashed. There is much more science to creation and faith to evolution, but people with narrow-minded thinking as you do, simply believe what you want based on what other people tell you. Ever hear of the Hovind theory? I think not, and that's because you don't bother to look at facts, you just go by what other ignorant people tell you, and then spread the ignorance to places such as here.

The Hovind Theory, but I doubt many will read it, as most of you are happy in your ignorance as it is.
 
Definitely evolution!

I have found NO evidence that would seem to suggest that creationism is real. Then again, I have no evidence on God, so I'm an agnostic (and because I don't agree with many of the things religion says)

This site has interesting info on the matter:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm

Higher the education, lesser the belief in creationism. Only 5% of experts in the field (biologists, geologists etc.) believe in creation.

Here's more links:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_noway.htm (11 points against evolution with rebuttals)

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_young.htm (evidence suggesting that Earth is young (with rebuttals))

http://www.religioustolerance.org/oldearth.htm (evidence suggesting that Earth is old)
 



&quot;Evolution set in motion and started (created) by God. &quot;


optimus> Stop basing everything in life on blind faith and actually think about something once in a while with real science in mind! I'm sure your God won't throw a thunder bolt on your head for using your brain.


 


<< FYI - evolution is a proven fact. It's mechanisms are subject to theory. Creation has not yet been proved or disproved, but religious beliefs are guided by faith rather than science anyway. >>





<< Ever hear of the Hovind theory? >>



Kent Hovind? The same guy who suggests that Adam and Eve were brown-skinned because they were made from the earth? OK....
 
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