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Jaydee - your post is so absurd I might cry.

I'll ignore your obnoxious and retarded retorts to other posts and just address the Hovind Theory.


<< The Hovind Theory, but I doubt many will read it, as most of you are happy in your ignorance as it is. >>


I read it and I struggled to get through the hyperbole and half-truths that the author uses as a &quot;scientific platform&quot; for his theory. In short he thinks that before the flood, the entire world was 75 degrees and sunny - all the time. Then as the flood approached, God sent an icy metoer to earth that &quot;About 20,000 miles out, the meteor exploded in space and turned into a puff of snow. Ice that is 300 degrees or below becomes magnetic and can be picked up by a magnet. At this low temperature, this magnetic ice would be sucked to the north and south pole because of the intense magnetic field. That would cause a very rapid snow fall of some very cold snow, about 300 degrees below zero, at the North and South Poles. &quot; This explains how mammoths are found frozen with food still in their belly.

Setting aside the absurd sunny 75 degree day bit, this is assinine. If a meteor were to explode either on impact, in the atmosphere or 20,000 miles away, it would coincide with a huge release of energy in the form of heat. The presence of such a massive amount of heat would pretty much rule out a giant snowstorm of 300 below snowflakes.

The expression &quot;A little knowledge is a dangerous thing,&quot; is directly applicable to the people that write this deplorable crap knowing that people will read it and belive it even though it is patently false.

Please refrain from posting such trollop. If you belive it, then educate youself. If you are flaimbaiting then go away.
 
The Hovind theory is a classic example how some people have decided that God created the world, and then they start thinking about &quot;evidence&quot; that supports that hypothesis. Real scientific methodology calls for examination of evidence, and you then form a theory based on that evidence. As new evidence accumulates, you adjust that theory accordingly.

Someone said it best:

If scientist finds evidence that contradicts his theory, he abandons the theory. If religious person finds evidence that contradicts his theory, he abandons the evidence.
 


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<< webs between fingers and toes etc. are all there? Because they were created that way? Wake up... >>


I don't know what you guys are doing up the Netherlands, but I sure don't have webbed feet.
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Yes you do. If you look closely between your fingers and toes, you can see the remains of webs.
 


<< This is complete BS. The reason you arrogantly and ignorantly say this is because you haven't looked and haven't tried. There is much more evidence to creation than evolution, but ignorance is bliss to you I guess. >>


Can you honestly say this and expect to be taken seriously?
 
This is a dumb thread.... Creationism and Evolution are not exclusive theories... Creation doesnt undermine evolution and visa versa. Evolution discusses the actual process of how things got like they are.... Creationism discusses what caused everything....

Silly argument....

Fact is we're all just guessing anyway.

-Max
 
Big Bang, Evolution all the way.
The very concept of an infinitely powerful and knowing being is simply not plausible. Someone said something to the effect that that idea is &quot;Exagerration run amok.&quot;
 


<< optimus> Stop basing everything in life on blind faith and actually think about something once in a while with real science in mind! I'm sure your God won't throw a thunder bolt on your head for using your brain. >>



I like the way you singled out my simply stated belief, in a thread full of them, for an attack, yasha. I know its actually because your ass is still smarting from the last time we tangled and I flamed you to a nice crisp. What, were you hoping I wouldn't check back in here and you could land a little cowardly stab where I wouldn't see it?

Pathetic.

You know, if I thought for one single moment that your brain could engage in logical or theoretical debate I might actually deign to waste a moment trying to impart some semblance of reason towards you. But as I know that your simple thought processes are so far removed from any honest seeking of new ideas or the truth, I don't feel like wasting my time.

Or did you learn logical debate while you were escaping from a Russian Death camp? Or wait, you were persecuted out of Russia by Chrisitians, right? Or you actually believe in God, and have a religion, but won't tell anyone what religion it is because you'll get flamed, right? Aren't these all things you have claimed since you switched to the &quot;yasha&quot; handle?

Grow a pair and actually post what you believe and the truth about your life. Until then I will go back to ignoring you as I and so many others have been.

This post at least amused me.


For anyone else who actually cares:

Until I know, or at least have a good theory of what existed before the Big Bang, the theory of absolute evolution relies on the eternal existance of matter. If matter and energy have always existed, then how can any concept of time be reckoned? At what point did the big bang &quot;happen&quot;, and if matter always existed, why didn't the bang happen sooner? Or could there be a &quot;sooner&quot; at all when talking about infinite amounts of time? If matter has always been moving toward an implosion that then exploded outwards into a big bang, what started this in motion?

If we believe in cause and effect, then what is the cause of that motion?

Evolution or Creation, you have to believe that something is both eternal in existance and was its own cause (had to cause acting upon it). Such an entity is in violation of the laws of physics and is therefore outside/above them.

You can believe that this &quot;something&quot; is energy (which can convert into matter, motion, etc) or you can believe that this something is &quot;God&quot;.

I say God, you might say &quot;Energy&quot;. But as we can observe energy in our present universe obeying the laws of physics and existance, then why is it also infinite and cause-less, if energy does react to cause?

If you believe energy is eternal (always existed), cause-less (contrary to observation), and infinite - then how is it such a stretch to believe in a &quot;God&quot;? That that infinite, eternal energy is also sentient?


But even if you maintain that there is a God, someone show me where I mock anyone for not believing in God and use that lack of belief as an absolute statement that that person does not think and is illogical and ignorant?

And yet, I, apparently don't actually &quot;think&quot; for myself, as yasha so absolutely and knowledgably stated, simply because I do believe in God.

That, folks, is pure hypocrisy.

 
Too many big words for him to understand.

Let me sum up: back off dumbass or I'll tear you a new A-hole!!
 
<<It's a bit of both. >>

yah, that's actually how i see it. god created us. but we do evolve, not from monkeys though. We were always human. we grow on knowledge. which let's us type here at this forum, drive our cars, etc. knowledge is power. of course we change physically too. there was adam and eve. i don't know what race they were, but now we have african-americans, mexicans, chinese, caucasion, swedish, etc. also it doesn't say how God created the earth. He could of done it any way he wanted, and not just let it go *pop* now there's earth. it could be ways that scientist study. who knows?...nobody. it's not a fact anywhere how we came about. just theory, but i believe God had 100% control on it. Therefore God was the Big Bang.


peace
sean
 
ok, to extrapolate the infinitesimal intelligence level i have observed here from the sad exterraneous evolution bashing i will begin with a slight pun.



<< You can use EVOLUTION to DISPROVE evolution!! >>



i must say... gag.

if you assume evolution is false in this pretense then your arguement must also be false. news for you bud, if evolution is false, then you cannot base a fact on something that is false, consequently your argument is false and evolution has to be true through your *laugh* thoughtout deductions.







<< The Hovind Theory >>



ROFLMFAO!!!

i read that damned thing. my IQ dropped 30 points after i was finished. at the end i was left stupified and wondering if the page was done out of a joke or if the guy really meant what he said.
 
ok for all you christians out there why did god create the appendix? they dont do anything , they just sit there and sometimes exploded whats the deal? in all his soo call wisdom why did he put them there?
 


<< but we do evolve, not from monkeys though. >>



Evolution never suggested that humans are evolved from monkeys! What it said is that humans and apes have a common ancestor. That does NOT mean that humans evolved from apes!
 
<<ok for all you christians out there why did god create the appendix? they dont do anything , they just sit there and sometimes exploded whats the deal? in all his soo call wisdom why did he put them there? >>

well actually, way back when we ate harsher food the appendix was use to break down some of it or something like that. i think our appendix was a lot bigger too. now it just shinked and become useless.
 


<< <<ok for all you christians out there why did god create the appendix? they dont do anything , they just sit there and sometimes exploded whats the deal? in all his soo call wisdom why did he put them there? >>

well actually, way back when we ate harsher food the appendix was use to break down some of it or something like that. i think our appendix was a lot bigger too. now it just shinked and become useless.
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how did it just shrink?
 
Ameesh:


<< ok for all you christians out there why did god create the appendix? >>


Well, I'm Catholic (so you asked me!), and I believe its an evolutionary left-over.

Again, being Christian and even believing in Creation does not mean one doesn't believe in evolution. 🙂
 
<<the same way the human baby toe has gotten smaller over generations. no need for it. >>

really? i thought if you lose a toe, it would make you lose your balance really easily. but again both shrinked so it's equall i guess.


peace
sean
 


<< Ameesh:


<< ok for all you christians out there why did god create the appendix? >>


Well, I'm Catholic (so you asked me!), and I believe its an evolutionary left-over.

Again, being Christian and even believing in Creation does not mean one doesn't believe in evolution. 🙂
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i agree with you. I apologize for not making my distinction clearer 🙂 i meant to say creationists instead of christians.
 
Okay, lets all pretend that were scientists for a minute and be scientific. Imagine that we are on the beach observing the nature that is around us and on the shore we see a group of rocks that spell the word &quot;hello&quot; in the sand. We can either say that by pure chance, maybe the waves brought those rocks in and miraculously spelt the word or we can say some kind of intelligent being placed those rocks there to spell &quot;hello.&quot; What is more probable? I would say that of course some inteligent being placed those rocks there because it would be next to impossible for something random to create such intricate patterns. Now if we look at the greater picture of the world around us, I don't think such perfection can be formed out of some random mesh of things evolving. Just my two cents.
 
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